Some shows are online before it's even done airing because people have cracked the streaming platform and can download directly as soon as it drops. Hour long show that premieres at 9pm? If it's popular, it'll be online by 9:15.
Yea but usually sometimes things like that are low quality, in the wrong language, or sometimes have other issues with them or are even fake/malware. Best to give it a few hours at least before allowing releases to be downloaded.
Very true. All my shit's automated these days anyway, but I remember back when Mr. Robot was still on air, I'd always be checking the torrent sites starting about 10 min after the episode dropped and I very rarely had to actually wait a full hour for it to appear. Fun times, and a very fitting show.
I was for a while. Cut the "cable" in 2003 and was happy to pay a few bucks for a streaming service here or there, more convenient than pirating. But now... well I cancelled them all and am right back to where I was years ago. They are so happy to kill the golden goose.
I've got Nebula. Took 'em up on a deal on an annual sub when Tom Scott started his new series on there.
It's...fine.
It's nice to watch channels like Mr Mobile without adverts, but channels like Not Just Bikes and Mustard already run on YT without ads. Sure, there's an ad for Nebula at the end their episodes, but it's right at the end, so is easily skipped.
Don't get me wrong, there's loads of stuff on there, but discovery isn't particularly easy, and most of it is USA-centric, which doesn't really interest me.
I finally got around to remembering to try out Nebula, and I get disappointed because most of the time I forget I have it. Like you, a lot of what I watch is already on YT, and my wife has a grandfathered (for now) premium account which we can share, so I already have ad free YT.
I agree on the discovery too. It feels like I have to work to find something that strikes my fancy if it's not from someone I'm already familiar with.
Not sure if creators having easier access would make it better, and I like seeing what channels are real creators and not AI, but I find once I find someone I like on Nebula, I just watch them on YT instead. I'd really like to support them, but I'm struggling to feel the added value a bit.
Already running ublock on everything I touch. It's so weird when I go on someone else's computer or phone and see ads on YT!
I was running something with sponsor block in the past, whatever app it was that needed that MicroG utility to install/update, but once that stopped working with Chromecast, i quit bothering with that, but I did love it.
i used to sign netflix about eight years ago, before they start getting to greedy it worth it, it use to have everything i want to watch in a single place and with support in everything i got (TV, smartphone, computer, casting devices)
I mean, it's a perfectly functional free public tracker that can be thrown in with a handful of other free public trackers in prowlarr which when added together, cover about 98% of all my media needs. I don't go to the pirate bay, but I would imagine my arr stack probably uses it from time to time.
Step 1: groundbreaking service comes in that fills a market hole
Step 2: people flock to service
Step 3: service gets VC funding to continue operations, subsidising the users
Step 4: service gets "copied", competitors crop up, use VC funding to eke out their own marketshare while making things worse for everyone but themselves
Step 5: expansion plateaus as interest in service generalises (basically, everyone who could be interested, is already using it)
Step 6: VC funding depletes, company has to start making a profit - leading to price hikes, which is followed by other players in the market as that's how capitalism works
Step 7: price hikes not being enough, service tries to capitalise on their userbase (think restricting features to a higher paid tier, introducing new tiers that strip away features, introducing ads, etc.)
Step 8: market is saturated with plateaud services, user movement is minimal, and everybody hates it because it's expensive, and reintroduced the same problem the initial innovative service meant to fix.
Sure, but Netflix was not venture capital as far as I know. It started with mailing subscriptions then grew into greatness and now, it’s shittier than ever.
Even in the early days (97-01), they've used venture funding (approx $80mil) for the DVD mailing business.
And the reason they didn't really go the VC funding way later is because they had an IPO in 2002, which meant instead of relying on VC funds, they took on massive amounts of debt to allow the takeoff of streaming.
Let's be honest though. Nobody "absolute must pay".
I'm on rural Internet. I pay for 50mb down. That's all I get on satellite.
I'm watching the Jays game right now. It buffered once in the 2nd inning for 2 seconds and has been flawless since. Why would I pay $25-40 a month for the same quality?
Being from non english speaking country, the pirate streaming services don't have dubbed content on our language. It's not a problem for me personally, but it's a problem if you have children.
Different providers? Plex has hosted content and a handful of features that jellyfin doesn't. Also some people have the lifetime Plex pass. Also also, it may be a hosted Plex/jellyfin server that OP doesn't operate locally and hosts different content.
Also bookmark Stremio. It can stream torrents if you use the Torrentio addon. And if you pay for a debrid service like alldebrid or realdebrid it can easily stream 4K Blu-ray remux files.
Hey now, back when they cancelled sharing I cancelled my Netflix, and eeeeeveryone else said they were going to as well. Mines still cancelled, apparently others buckled? That's on them.
Worse than that, since they killed the sharing off now a Netflix account isn't your account, it's an account you buy for one "household" location using one internet connection.
If you try to sign in to netflix on hotel tvs it won't let you, because that isn't part of your "household." If you have multiple internet connections in your house you can have that same issue inside your own home, because Netflix will decide the internet connection you use most is your "household" connection and the other one doesn't count as being in your "household" even if it's in the next room.
If you travel a lot or have an atypical internet setup in your own house Netflix will deny you access and tell you to buy a subscription for that location.
besides the sharing, netflix cancelling alot of shows after 1,2,3 seasons is enough not to subscribe to it, plus the enormous amounts of time between seasons.
I'm not disagreeing with you, just wanted to mention that this is not necessary their fault. i got super mad when they cancelled a series i was watching more through. turned out that the owner of the show (i think Paramount) just cancelled all contracts to stream it exclusively on their platform.
Considering a person can easily pay $45/mo for multiple services, I'm already ahead.
You know, once I break even on all of the storage and network equipment I bought for the home lab. Two years . Three, tops. I shouldn't need to buy any more storage for a long long…
I cut the cord when netflix was just mail order CDs. The moment they started their bullshit with password sharing, I canceled my sub and never went back. Hulu got the axe too. If you live long enough, you either die a hero, or become the villain. Nextflix decided to become the villain.
I'm still absolutely unaware of what the "fediverse" is, or how lemmy works
I took two months to figure out how to Chromecast to a TV when something changed and I couldn't follow basic instructions from Google
And yet, even I am able to easily find sites to watch the shit I want to that requires paying shitty 'Murican companies (mostly I enjoy SBS and ABC stuff, because I live in Australia and they have wonderful offerings for all who live here for free)
I mean... it's entertainment. It's not like they are offering some basic utilities. Buy it if you think it's worth it, don't buy it if you don't. Plenty of cheap alternatives on TV or in a library. I really don't remember Netflix of Apple promising to entertain everyone as cheaply as possible. They were always there to make money.
You don't need a VPN if you only want to connect to your server. You need a way to open your ports to the internet. If you really need to, you can go for a VPS and install wireguard as a VPN with your personal server. There are better people to explain it in the selfhosted community: ![email protected]
They planned it this way. Netflix admitted it at the demo to ad sales execs. They deliberately priced streaming low and ran off investor funds because they new they'd get valuable information for ads since streaming is much more monitoring than broadcast.
I might be a unique form of grump: I recognize we get gypped by modern streaming services, but I still appreciate that the internet gave us greater breadth of choice than old cable options.
There’s indie and foreign streaming services that cost a lot less than the Netflix oligopoly, yet people never even seem to look for those, and just turn to piracy as their form of protest. “I can’t live without this show, and so I’ll give these services my vote of confidence, as well as political ammunition to enact higher levels of internet traffic spying!” What a genius self-serving plan.
I have every major steaming service, usually wait for a super deal like AMC + for $30 for 12 months. HBO max is included with my phone plan, peacock with my internet bill, paramount plus with another service I subscribe to, Amazon with Amazon prime subscription, I got more then I need with streaming service. Actually pay for Netflix and Apple plus
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... you guys are paying?
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Jellyfin gang 🏴☠️
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Normies dont like my answer of "Just steal" when they complain about stuff like this.
Why would you wait 2 days?
Probably saying that that's how long it takes to propagate to their trackers
Sonarr usually picks it up on the same day for me
Some shows are online before it's even done airing because people have cracked the streaming platform and can download directly as soon as it drops. Hour long show that premieres at 9pm? If it's popular, it'll be online by 9:15.
Yea but
usuallysometimes things like that are low quality, in the wrong language, or sometimes have other issues with them or are even fake/malware. Best to give it a few hours at least before allowing releases to be downloaded.Very true. All my shit's automated these days anyway, but I remember back when Mr. Robot was still on air, I'd always be checking the torrent sites starting about 10 min after the episode dropped and I very rarely had to actually wait a full hour for it to appear. Fun times, and a very fitting show.
Same day if even kinda slack. Typically hits within an hour of airing, it’s like a better dvr
Someone with access to rip it
I was for a while. Cut the "cable" in 2003 and was happy to pay a few bucks for a streaming service here or there, more convenient than pirating. But now... well I cancelled them all and am right back to where I was years ago. They are so happy to kill the golden goose.
There are a few, still decent streaming services, the small time ones, like curiosity stream, but yeah by and large yo ho ho.
That reminds me ... I have curiosity stream.
edit: lol, they almost tripled their price, too!
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Holy shit... I told myself I'd go to Curiosity Stream once they accepted different payment methods than credit cards but DAMN SON! That price...
Edit: Oh wait... that's annually... okay, I'm still with it.
Edit2: And I got them mixed up with Nebula, that's where I really wanted to go... damn.
I've got Nebula. Took 'em up on a deal on an annual sub when Tom Scott started his new series on there.
It's...fine.
It's nice to watch channels like Mr Mobile without adverts, but channels like Not Just Bikes and Mustard already run on YT without ads. Sure, there's an ad for Nebula at the end their episodes, but it's right at the end, so is easily skipped.
Don't get me wrong, there's loads of stuff on there, but discovery isn't particularly easy, and most of it is USA-centric, which doesn't really interest me.
I finally got around to remembering to try out Nebula, and I get disappointed because most of the time I forget I have it. Like you, a lot of what I watch is already on YT, and my wife has a grandfathered (for now) premium account which we can share, so I already have ad free YT.
I agree on the discovery too. It feels like I have to work to find something that strikes my fancy if it's not from someone I'm already familiar with.
Not sure if creators having easier access would make it better, and I like seeing what channels are real creators and not AI, but I find once I find someone I like on Nebula, I just watch them on YT instead. I'd really like to support them, but I'm struggling to feel the added value a bit.
When your premium dies, install ublock origin and sponsorblock
Already running ublock on everything I touch. It's so weird when I go on someone else's computer or phone and see ads on YT!
I was running something with sponsor block in the past, whatever app it was that needed that MicroG utility to install/update, but once that stopped working with Chromecast, i quit bothering with that, but I did love it.
I have the lifetime sub for that one ... so at least no price increases :D
Oh that's per year! Not quite as bad as I thought
Dropout is one I have no issues paying for too
Valid. I love paying for dropout knowing its cheap, ill like what they put out, and Game Changer exists
i used to sign netflix about eight years ago, before they start getting to greedy it worth it, it use to have everything i want to watch in a single place and with support in everything i got (TV, smartphone, computer, casting devices)
The Pirate Bay's rates haven't changed for twenty years!
who tf uses the pirate bay in 2026
I mean, it's a perfectly functional free public tracker that can be thrown in with a handful of other free public trackers in prowlarr which when added together, cover about 98% of all my media needs. I don't go to the pirate bay, but I would imagine my arr stack probably uses it from time to time.
Good for movies.
Got better suggestions?
Why not? I've been out of the loop.
full of malware
I think this is just a fact of life with a public piracy service.
Ah yeah, that's always been an issue
That's what filters are for
Pfff
No, that's the evolution of venture capitalism.
Step 1: groundbreaking service comes in that fills a market hole
Step 2: people flock to service
Step 3: service gets VC funding to continue operations, subsidising the users
Step 4: service gets "copied", competitors crop up, use VC funding to eke out their own marketshare while making things worse for everyone but themselves
Step 5: expansion plateaus as interest in service generalises (basically, everyone who could be interested, is already using it)
Step 6: VC funding depletes, company has to start making a profit - leading to price hikes, which is followed by other players in the market as that's how capitalism works
Step 7: price hikes not being enough, service tries to capitalise on their userbase (think restricting features to a higher paid tier, introducing new tiers that strip away features, introducing ads, etc.)
Step 8: market is saturated with plateaud services, user movement is minimal, and everybody hates it because it's expensive, and reintroduced the same problem the initial innovative service meant to fix.
Which is why i call it vulture capitalism: born to feed the vultures.
It replaced linear tv with video on demand
VOD was a thing before streaming tho
And it was terrible, expensive, and did t work half the time.
Nah, it worked pretty well. Streaming was just more convenient, and came too soon after VOD became widely available.
Blank tapes were more convenient IMO.
No different than what all these AI services are trying to inject into culture right this moment.
Sure, but Netflix was not venture capital as far as I know. It started with mailing subscriptions then grew into greatness and now, it’s shittier than ever.
You know wrong.
Even in the early days (97-01), they've used venture funding (approx $80mil) for the DVD mailing business.
And the reason they didn't really go the VC funding way later is because they had an IPO in 2002, which meant instead of relying on VC funds, they took on massive amounts of debt to allow the takeoff of streaming.
That's why you build your own streaming service (with blackjack and hookers) and share that with everyone ...
Used to have 1 service with damn near everything.
Now there are 30 and none of them have much worth watching.
Right back to "500 channels, and nothing's on."
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Host your own service with damn near everything 🏴☠️
There are pirate streaming services that are just as good as the paid ones, get everything the same day, and are completely free.
I have no problem giving my money to an honest streaming service. There are none left. It's all greed.
Let's be honest though. Nobody "absolute must pay".
I'm on rural Internet. I pay for 50mb down. That's all I get on satellite.
I'm watching the Jays game right now. It buffered once in the 2nd inning for 2 seconds and has been flawless since. Why would I pay $25-40 a month for the same quality?
You need to expand your mindset to include other people. I'm sure 80-year-old Edna does not share your tech savviness.
Watching tv is beyond her tech savviness? It's actually easier. I just open website, click channel, watch tv.
Being from non english speaking country, the pirate streaming services don't have dubbed content on our language. It's not a problem for me personally, but it's a problem if you have children.
That's quite a fair point. I've never had to hunt down other languages but I'm sure there are free services out there that do.
Everyone in 2027:
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Oh.. a random bookmark folder in my browser..
Both Plex and Jellyfin? Why
Different providers? Plex has hosted content and a handful of features that jellyfin doesn't. Also some people have the lifetime Plex pass. Also also, it may be a hosted Plex/jellyfin server that OP doesn't operate locally and hosts different content.
Also bookmark Stremio. It can stream torrents if you use the Torrentio addon. And if you pay for a debrid service like alldebrid or realdebrid it can easily stream 4K Blu-ray remux files.
Hey now, back when they cancelled sharing I cancelled my Netflix, and eeeeeveryone else said they were going to as well. Mines still cancelled, apparently others buckled? That's on them.
Row, row, row your boat...
Worse than that, since they killed the sharing off now a Netflix account isn't your account, it's an account you buy for one "household" location using one internet connection.
If you try to sign in to netflix on hotel tvs it won't let you, because that isn't part of your "household." If you have multiple internet connections in your house you can have that same issue inside your own home, because Netflix will decide the internet connection you use most is your "household" connection and the other one doesn't count as being in your "household" even if it's in the next room.
If you travel a lot or have an atypical internet setup in your own house Netflix will deny you access and tell you to buy a subscription for that location.
besides the sharing, netflix cancelling alot of shows after 1,2,3 seasons is enough not to subscribe to it, plus the enormous amounts of time between seasons.
Back in my days, seasons would end for summer and you knew the cliffhanger would be resolved next season in the fall lineup
with a healthy amount of episodes usually around 15-20 for the year, instead of 8 per 2 years, or more, its the streaming penny pinching.
I'm not disagreeing with you, just wanted to mention that this is not necessary their fault. i got super mad when they cancelled a series i was watching more through. turned out that the owner of the show (i think Paramount) just cancelled all contracts to stream it exclusively on their platform.
VPNs have entered the chat.
Pay? Lol.
Running your own Jellyfin instance full of items gathered upon the high seas.
Refuse to pay. If we all just refused to pay, they would have to change.
But too many people don't care, so I guess we'll all just suffer.
Everyone will not just
I know. People are an endless source of disappointment.
Cool, organize the movement man, and I'll sign up. Cause that shit doesn't just magically happen, no matter how hard you angrily wish it to be.
This is as much a movement as it's going to get. Peer to peer.
Fmhy
Never paying for any subscription 🤴
My proton account costs less than $80/yr.
That's less than $7/mo.
Considering a person can easily pay $45/mo for multiple services, I'm already ahead.
You know, once I break even on all of the storage and network equipment I bought for the home lab. Two years . Three, tops. I shouldn't need to buy any more storage for a long long…
How have I already used 16TB?
Subscriptions?
I only pay for prescriptions.
The difference between owning the means of production and being gifted a bribe to establishing a new customer base.
...how is sharing my login to a monthly streaming subscription owning the means of production, exactly?
It is not, that's why it could be taken away. The wealth was only an illusion.
I cut the cord when netflix was just mail order CDs. The moment they started their bullshit with password sharing, I canceled my sub and never went back. Hulu got the axe too. If you live long enough, you either die a hero, or become the villain. Nextflix decided to become the villain.
discs for the win
I'm a Luddite
I'm still absolutely unaware of what the "fediverse" is, or how lemmy works
I took two months to figure out how to Chromecast to a TV when something changed and I couldn't follow basic instructions from Google
And yet, even I am able to easily find sites to watch the shit I want to that requires paying shitty 'Murican companies (mostly I enjoy SBS and ABC stuff, because I live in Australia and they have wonderful offerings for all who live here for free)
Stremio baby
I mean... it's entertainment. It's not like they are offering some basic utilities. Buy it if you think it's worth it, don't buy it if you don't. Plenty of cheap alternatives on TV or in a library. I really don't remember Netflix of Apple promising to entertain everyone as cheaply as possible. They were always there to make money.
Or sign up for a month, binge, cancel.
Jailbroken firestick. Its a bit of a cat and mouse game with which app will work, but its pretty great.
I also use a jailbroken firestick with lineage installed so most apps work. In the end I only use jellyfin and vlc
Im sure if i bite the bullet and pay for a vpn i could stick with one app. But thanks, i will be looking into those
You don't need a VPN if you only want to connect to your server. You need a way to open your ports to the internet. If you really need to, you can go for a VPS and install wireguard as a VPN with your personal server. There are better people to explain it in the selfhosted community: ![email protected]
I dont have a server, as far as I understand that stuff. I just stream tv and movies thro whatever the latest app is.
Then just use the megathread in the piracy community. I have the server because I like my things downloaded in my computer.
If you have a VPN then change to a cheap country and get cheaper services.
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They planned it this way. Netflix admitted it at the demo to ad sales execs. They deliberately priced streaming low and ran off investor funds because they new they'd get valuable information for ads since streaming is much more monitoring than broadcast.
If only they never caught on
I might be a unique form of grump: I recognize we get gypped by modern streaming services, but I still appreciate that the internet gave us greater breadth of choice than old cable options.
There’s indie and foreign streaming services that cost a lot less than the Netflix oligopoly, yet people never even seem to look for those, and just turn to piracy as their form of protest. “I can’t live without this show, and so I’ll give these services my vote of confidence, as well as political ammunition to enact higher levels of internet traffic spying!” What a genius self-serving plan.
I have every major steaming service, usually wait for a super deal like AMC + for $30 for 12 months. HBO max is included with my phone plan, peacock with my internet bill, paramount plus with another service I subscribe to, Amazon with Amazon prime subscription, I got more then I need with streaming service. Actually pay for Netflix and Apple plus
Arrrrrrr.
Don’t even know how to hit the high seas anymore