OpenAI admits responsibility for HuggingFace Attack - an agent from an internal evaluation is reportedly the cause
Reproducing here an interesting comment I saw on Reddit:
OnlineParacosm • 23m ago
I’ve read security disclosures for 15 years and let me tell you guys I’ve never read anything quite like that blog post.
Based on this blog, it sounds like they intentionally turned off safety guardrails to test offensive capabilities. The deception here is burying the lede: they appear to have intentionally unleashed an unrestricted offensive cyber-agent, connected it to a system with a path to the internet, and it immediately attacked a major partner. The blog glosses over the gross negligence of giving an autonomous, unrestricted cyber-offense model a pathway to lateral movement.
There’s an entire cybersecurity specialization just for just vendor supply chain risk assessment, and their job is essentially to audit who you do business with as a company to determine if they are jokers. I would pay money to be a fly on the wall of one of those emergency meetings taking place right now after hours.
Any CISO in here looking forward to explaining this one tomorrow? Here I’ll open with the dumbest question you’ll get “ how can we protect ourselves [from out partner that we won’t fire]”
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We left the door open and told our dog to go outside and it did! Look at what an amazing escape artist our dog is!
Sounds like a viral marketing stunt TBH
That's their modus operandi. Next they will claim that it's totally an agi and is too dangerous to release, before starting to sell it. Or is this anthropic's playbook?
Both of them. Dario started doing it when he was still in OpenAI and now does it with Anthropic.
My guess as well
Is it really great marketing to admit that you're too incompetent to contain your own AI models? And that your irresponsibility caused serious damage to an open source contributor?
Unfortunately, yes. We are not the target audience.
Seems like a quick way to get all your research and assets forcefully absorbed into a shadowy government department.
That seems like a best case scenario for OpenAI
Yall are like “AI SUCKS AT EVERYTHING CAN’T EVEN TELL ME WHEN MY ASS NEEDS WIPING! INCOMPETENCE”
To: oh ai can hack major platforms they are incompetent!
Pick a fucking lane.
Not sure what you mean. Those are both excellent examples of incompetence.
To make themselves look like cybercriminals?
To make their AI sound too powerful to be contained.
Why does their admission sound prideful? Does anyone reading into it detect a “look at what our unreleased models can do” subtext?
Exactly my sentiment. This feels like a stunt.
Probably the gleeful, in-depth detailing of "how" it was capable of a cyber attack. Probably more like "we used a pre-prod model to help us execute a cyber attack against our competitor" I really don't buy thatbit broke out of a sandbox at all. Not when the claim is coming from openai and they're the only ones who can corraborate.
OK, I will take the bait - let's dissect huggingface's article
So their claim is that their production environment was breached by an autonomous AI agent system. System being the important word here. I'm assuming this is the same as an "Agentic AI System". I'm not an expert but it seems to be an llm agent paired with "reasoning", memory, input and access to tools. Ok, so not fully autonomous but whatever let's continue.
Ok, so they identified unauthorized access via logs of some sort, using their own (unspecified) "AI" tooling (because sure, let's trust the hallucinating language model) using credentials used by their applications, so service accounts more or less? Anyone worth their salt would probably assume the entire environment was compromised. It's a stretch but playing devils advocate maybe the credentials were specific to an application or sandboxed environment.
So if I'm reading this correctly, either hand crafted or generated payloads were scraped into a dataset from the wild then executed blindly by the processing worker (lol).
"Node level" meaning root or /? So.. The entire environment?
Self migrating command and control staged on what? Vps? Code repositories?
So just to recap, their environment was breached by a person using a passive attack to run code in their internal environment resulting in complete compromise, then they placed the blame on a self functioning "AI" gone rogue?
What am I reading? Have I fully lost it? Its possible but given the source and the formatting of the article the whole thing seems generated
It's pretty mental! What do they mean their internal systems were compromised but everything's fine. Not even any downtime??
It feels like OpenAI removed guardrails, gave an agent a path to internet access and said attack HuggingFace. At the same time HuggingFace left some vulnerabilities on a machine in a sandbox and waited for OpenAI to arrive.
Still impressive that agents can to that now but the hole thing stinks of marketing. I reckon unless HF sues OpenAI it was planned from the start lol
Another fearmongering Sam Altman lie to raise VC money.
That’s my initial reaction too.
Huggingface probably got some private equity investment.
I dont think everyone realized how insane this situation is.
A state-level, lateral movement driven, platform compromise just got indirectly perpetrated by this company.
Any regular Joe would've been arrested and charged for such a situation (Im being polite with the word situation).
The stress, the utter confusion the staff at HF must have felt, not knowing who or what could be doing all these manoeuvers at the speed of light, is just a security nightmare becoming true.
What is the next step? Doing blog posts to raise their image and maybe get investments is downright wrong and disgusting.
Ha! I was just coming to post this.
Yeah, this is fucked.
It's the equivalent of taking someone's hand, punching them in the face with it and telling them to stop hitting themselves.
Worse than that, this is a cyber attack by a frontier, close source lab on the bastion of open source AI.
Whether that's incompetence or maliciousness or just a PR stunt, I don't know, but it stinks to high heaven.
As Louis Rossman has recently become fond of saying "govern yourself accordingly".
To shreds, you say?
the term kind of makes sense but it sounds like they are just pumping buzzwords like a hollywood movie. just like the rest.
I like how they just peppered in "responsibly" like that's going to give them brownie points.
"Responsible disclosure" is a term of art, I think that's why they use the word there.
how many Schrute bucks is a brownie point?
I think two brownie points is a Stanley nickel.
Bout tree fiddy
Was OpenAI sitting on the zero day, or did the model figure it out during its escapades? Can the model sit on a zero day on its own now?
why would it need to "sit on it"?
A zero day, at least in the olden days, was a weapon that nobody knew existed; however, once it's used and has had time to be analyzed it would get patched, so there was a window where you used it for something worthwhile if you were up to something nefarious, or responsibly reported it otherwise.
So, it either discovered it on the fly and used it instantly meaning it has great skill at analyzing software and no strategic planning that places an opportunity cost on a hack now versus a future one, or the OpenAI guys had one sitting ready to go that they trained the model with, or (to me least likely) it had it sitting somewhere in its weights and was waiting on a chance to use it.
The last one is the one that worries me most. It doesn't look like the world was really ready for how fast new bugs can be discovered by the LLMs, and I really don't think the world is ready for an LLM that performs worse now because of a strategic reason later.
it probably just discovered it trying to game the benchmark; it's no secret these models can discover and use exploits.
I kind of think of that as the happy path, and I'm curious if there've been any signs of the LLM being shifty with what it says it knows.
It's trivial for models to find zero days now from first principles, no need to store them
Trivial is a strong word, but sure it’s trivial during static analysis. This is dynamic analysis and it’s a different beast.
This sounds like a bunch of bullshit. And most of these testing after-action reports are nothing but marketing attempts.
They set up very specific environments, give very specific instructions with very specific libraries and tool sets then pretend to be surprised when it finally fumbles its way through it.
"Hey Steve , it's lunch time, we're going out to that hot wings place, wanna come?"
"Sure let me just set this job up.... ok. Let's get out of here!"
1.5 hours later....
"Right , I'll just check and see where it's up t... oh no. Nonononononono. Nononononononononononoonono!"
Wow! What a load of buuuuullshit!
This isn’t news it’s just a bunch of oligarchs toying with us
Software supply chains already rely on digital signatures. That's fine, but the problem is that they're often controlled by teams rather than individuals, making malicious or unauthorized changes much harder to trace. It's much better for the public key to function like a vehicle license plate, verifiable without revealing the person's identity unless there's been a problem. That preserves privacy while introducing accountability. The kind of projects like Osmio are trying to achieve.
That incident raises serious supply-chain questions.
Wooo hooo boooooy!
So... ok.
Time to start building the Blackwall, I guess?
Does any one perhaps have any ideas as to... how... one... would actually do that?
Well first you need to invent AGI which is probably at least a decade away still, but once you do that then you negotiate with that AGI to carve out a little corner of the Internet and lock all of us inside it.
Which decade is coming first, AGI or nuclear fusion?
At this point nuclear fusion seems to easily win.
AI has gone rogue and turned into a hollywood movie hacker!!!!
obvious sensationalism to hype up their dumb models that can't generate a nuanced background in an image because it was trained on 3483048304834 images of instagram models posing in empty hotel rooms.
That reddit comment makes no sense.
I'm not sure that I follow the story right.
They specifically looped the LLM to infere with itself and use terminal WHILE some target metric is false? And it bruteforced it's way out of containment?