Me in 2015 reddit in the_Donald Subreddit thought they were shitposting sarcasm but no. It was a coordinated Russian intelligence campaign to fuck with retarded voters
Since you appear to be from France, I will just point out the hilarious hypocrisy and ignorance of suggesting that North and South America, which are separated by no less than three different tectonic plate boundaries, are the same continent, while living in "Europe", which hasn't been tectonically separated from "Asia" for hundreds of millions of years.
Indeed, though if you actually look at the page for "Europe", you'll see that nobody can even agree on where the "cultural" boundary is anymore, because it's a spectrum. You posted your stupendously condescending comment as if there's a "right" way to classify continents, and the poor, uneducated citizens of the USA would be so confused at hearing your objectively-correct stance. The way you said it was offensively patronising, and "Europe" has nowhere to talk, because Europe doesn't rightfully exist in any consistently-delineated way, because the "cultural" nature of "Europe" isn't some homogeneous block, and the only thing those cultural spectra can agree on is that they don't agree on the delineation. Anyone using the word "continent" nowadays is wrong, because it's a dated, arbitrary moniker which serves only to continue Eurocentric cultural hegemony and try to divide humanity. Gatekeeping it and using it as a way to mock hundreds of millions of people, though? That's just weird
You're are over interpreting a lot. I was simply expecting some American to come on and say America is two continents because that's what you are taught, just as Latin culture people are taught it's one continent. I saw this play before. I'm not saying one is better than the other. By the way, it's not a Europe thing, UK people are told the same as North Americans, it's probably its origin.
You could try asking for explanations before jumping to the agressive interpretation.
Considering trends are started by a single dedicated schizo I'd say not hard. I'm pretty sure one very dedicated person made fit and beyond believe onions boosted test.
i mean i know two people who got sucked into WoW for years, to the point it became a major problem in their lives. they're both redhats so i just figured it was a small sample size thing.
Pretty much my trajectory for making Nazi jokes. Used to be fun and edgy when I was younger, but once I found out there were actual Nazis these days, it was horrifying.
Yeah, this doesn't excuse anything, but as a millennial growing up there was this whole trend of "dark humor" and "anti-jokes." Basically the more fucked up and wrong something was, the funnier it was supposed to be.
That doesn't make it okay, but we were just stupid teenagers. You could say we shoulda known better, but at the time that was just the trend. Like skibidi toilet and other brainrot today. Everyone knew it wasn't serious, that no one could actually mean those jokes.
At least, we thought we did. It seems as we grew up, we diverged into two main groups. Those who realized how those "jokes" could actually be harmful and grew out of it, and those who started taking the jokes more and more seriously until they started meaning it and it became part of their personalities.
I think that's a huge source of disconnect with Gen Z. I don't think they ever had a concept of dark humor. By the time they reached that age, the trend was more towards acceptance and inclusion, social awareness and non-harmful language. The old "sticks and stones" no longer applied.
So to early Gen Z, late Millennials probably looked like sociopaths. Especially since we were already on social media, and some of that immature bullshit is indelibly marked on the internet.
And you can't just tell them "it was just a joke, we didn't mean it, it wasn't serious" because that's such an alien concept to them.
I think that's a huge source of disconnect with Gen Z. I don't think they ever had a concept of dark humor.
I mean, I dunno; I think you're right in the sense that Gen. Z doesn't do edgy humor nearly as much but they are still known for irony poisoning and I think you get similar outcomes, just (now) with the veneer of there being, really, a truth to what you're saying.
"Helen Keller didn't really do all that" is squarely a Gen. Z "joke" with just as awful implications as dark humor.
I mean I'll fully admit that I don't know the intricacies of Gen Z humor. I've heard some of it, and there's a lot about it that I don't understand. It can be amusing with the sheer volume of absurdism that it contains. I used to despair over "not getting the joke" until I realized that in many cases, there's nothing to get. It's just absurdist buffoonery channeled into shitpost-tier memes.
Maybe they do have elements of dark humor that I haven't picked up on, but if so it's very different from millennial dark humor. A lot of the shit we used to joke about would not fly these days, and in many cases it's with good reason. You'd be labeled a psycho if you tried.
Something similar happened to me once, ended up sharing something that I figured was satire and antifa, then it did end up in fact being satire but also nazi. Basically everyone thought it was on their side, correct or not.
That's why I don't engage with that stuff. I understand shitposting, but not everyone can tell the difference. Especially if a bot is scraping to train a model or build a profile on users.
This is why the /s is important. It should always be explicitly clear when a post is satire, if being taken seriously could be harmful.
That's why I hate it when people say "chill, it's just a shitpost, it's not that deep." Like, this is how disinformation spreads...
There's a subreddit called TrumpZone or something like that that I joined because of all the over the top bootlicking memes. It took a few days before I realized that the memes weren't being posted ironically and the members really were batshit crazy.
Same here. I learned about Flat Earthers, and assumed they were sarcastic, like Birds aren't Real. Took me two years of occasionally coming across their shit to realize they were serious. I was flabbergasted.
That's when I started to understand how stupid people can be. They can be all the stupid, and in unsettling numbers.
Yea yea birds aren't real we all know that. But have you ever gotten really close to a bird? Like close enough to tell if it has dimension? NO. OBVIOUSLY BIRDS ARE FLAT!
I think the birds aren't real people have it all wrong.
Given the level of technology needed to make anything fly, how are we supposed to believe in the original organic "birds" to begin with?
Clearly it's just a distraction from the real harsh truth.
I think it was either a Miniminuteman or a Folding Ideas video that showed what some flatties proposed: the Sun moves in a wacky repeating spiral pattern above the surface. It's closer to the Arctic during summer and to the Antarctic during winter, which they claim to explain the different angles of incidence. Obviously that doesn't conform to any physical laws... observed phenomena... ideas that a person of ordinary intelligence might come up with... their own models of flat Earth... but flatties are nothing if not persistent in their dogmatic rejection of reality.
Which is pretty funny because in the northern hemisphere during January, the sun is closest to us. It's our axial tilt that drives the winter, being tilted further away in winter.
But God forbid they learn some actual fucking science 😂
Their worldview is heavily built around Christian magic nonsense: The sky is a dome (firmament). Gravity doesn't exists, it's just buoyancy. They probably assume wind currents change and blow the cold off the icewall surrounding the world edge...
This is why in many native cultures they stay away from being sarcastic. They've learned that it can be harmful to a society and they have the empathy to not want to make certain people who are out of the loop feel dumb
they mean they make up random shit on the internet because it makes them feel superior to whitey. likely being whitey themselves, but not like those other whiteys who are so sarcastic and cultural destructive, no sir.
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Me in 2015 reddit in the_Donald Subreddit thought they were shitposting sarcasm but no. It was a coordinated Russian intelligence campaign to fuck with retarded voters
r/the_donald used to be hilarious. Right up until it became serious.
It started that way. Then a large contingent of shit stains showed up not realizing it was a joke and agreed with everything.
There was a moderator coup. Reddit admins deliberately flipped it and immediately started banning anyone going "wait...you're serious?"
Me in 2023 learning about tankies through Lemmy.
Me learning about tankies with my father (who isn't even United-Statian (I refuse to call them Americans, America is an continent.))
Citizens of USA are Americans, but likewise are citizens of Mexico, Honduras and Paraguay
You're going to confuse Americans who are taught America is two different continents: North and South (difference with the Latin culture).
Since you appear to be from France, I will just point out the hilarious hypocrisy and ignorance of suggesting that North and South America, which are separated by no less than three different tectonic plate boundaries, are the same continent, while living in "Europe", which hasn't been tectonically separated from "Asia" for hundreds of millions of years.
You should reflect on that.
Here it is. As I hinted above, conventional continent boundaries are cultural, not scientific. Have a look: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#Number
Indeed, though if you actually look at the page for "Europe", you'll see that nobody can even agree on where the "cultural" boundary is anymore, because it's a spectrum. You posted your stupendously condescending comment as if there's a "right" way to classify continents, and the poor, uneducated citizens of the USA would be so confused at hearing your objectively-correct stance. The way you said it was offensively patronising, and "Europe" has nowhere to talk, because Europe doesn't rightfully exist in any consistently-delineated way, because the "cultural" nature of "Europe" isn't some homogeneous block, and the only thing those cultural spectra can agree on is that they don't agree on the delineation. Anyone using the word "continent" nowadays is wrong, because it's a dated, arbitrary moniker which serves only to continue Eurocentric cultural hegemony and try to divide humanity. Gatekeeping it and using it as a way to mock hundreds of millions of people, though? That's just weird
You're are over interpreting a lot. I was simply expecting some American to come on and say America is two continents because that's what you are taught, just as Latin culture people are taught it's one continent. I saw this play before. I'm not saying one is better than the other. By the way, it's not a Europe thing, UK people are told the same as North Americans, it's probably its origin. You could try asking for explanations before jumping to the agressive interpretation.
wasn’t that 4chan in general, it’s fun to post far right memes and jokes until the actual far right shows up and doesn’t know the difference
Mostly started very quickly in 2015.
I wonder how hard it is to infiltrate and influence an anonymous message board.
Considering trends are started by a single dedicated schizo I'd say not hard. I'm pretty sure one very dedicated person made fit and beyond believe onions boosted test.
...am I having a stroke? What does that last sentence mean?
Are your serious or have you never drawn fit from of root? Lol
Drinking raw onion juice boosts testosterone production apparently*
Oh boy do I have a rabbit hole for you: https://archive.is/RvJdW
Scan qr code to verify your human. Really?
refresh and you should get the old pick the ones with traffic lights
funnily enough guy said they have it because otherwise wouldn’t be able to keep up with traffic
i mean i know two people who got sucked into WoW for years, to the point it became a major problem in their lives. they're both redhats so i just figured it was a small sample size thing.
barrens chat was a psyop
Pretty much my trajectory for making Nazi jokes. Used to be fun and edgy when I was younger, but once I found out there were actual Nazis these days, it was horrifying.
I can see why people stick to Roman jokes
Yeaaaah I have a similar story. It's all fun and games until you realize the other person actually does want to kill jews.
The amount of jews I want to unironically kill is zero.
Yeah, this doesn't excuse anything, but as a millennial growing up there was this whole trend of "dark humor" and "anti-jokes." Basically the more fucked up and wrong something was, the funnier it was supposed to be.
That doesn't make it okay, but we were just stupid teenagers. You could say we shoulda known better, but at the time that was just the trend. Like skibidi toilet and other brainrot today. Everyone knew it wasn't serious, that no one could actually mean those jokes.
At least, we thought we did. It seems as we grew up, we diverged into two main groups. Those who realized how those "jokes" could actually be harmful and grew out of it, and those who started taking the jokes more and more seriously until they started meaning it and it became part of their personalities.
I think that's a huge source of disconnect with Gen Z. I don't think they ever had a concept of dark humor. By the time they reached that age, the trend was more towards acceptance and inclusion, social awareness and non-harmful language. The old "sticks and stones" no longer applied.
So to early Gen Z, late Millennials probably looked like sociopaths. Especially since we were already on social media, and some of that immature bullshit is indelibly marked on the internet.
And you can't just tell them "it was just a joke, we didn't mean it, it wasn't serious" because that's such an alien concept to them.
I mean, I dunno; I think you're right in the sense that Gen. Z doesn't do edgy humor nearly as much but they are still known for irony poisoning and I think you get similar outcomes, just (now) with the veneer of there being, really, a truth to what you're saying.
"Helen Keller didn't really do all that" is squarely a Gen. Z "joke" with just as awful implications as dark humor.
I mean I'll fully admit that I don't know the intricacies of Gen Z humor. I've heard some of it, and there's a lot about it that I don't understand. It can be amusing with the sheer volume of absurdism that it contains. I used to despair over "not getting the joke" until I realized that in many cases, there's nothing to get. It's just absurdist buffoonery channeled into shitpost-tier memes.
Maybe they do have elements of dark humor that I haven't picked up on, but if so it's very different from millennial dark humor. A lot of the shit we used to joke about would not fly these days, and in many cases it's with good reason. You'd be labeled a psycho if you tried.
motion to make all dumb blonde jokes into dumb nazi jokes
I'd ask what the difference is, but nazis are so rarely as blond as they'd like
Something similar happened to me once, ended up sharing something that I figured was satire and antifa, then it did end up in fact being satire but also nazi. Basically everyone thought it was on their side, correct or not.
That's why I don't engage with that stuff. I understand shitposting, but not everyone can tell the difference. Especially if a bot is scraping to train a model or build a profile on users.
This is why the /s is important. It should always be explicitly clear when a post is satire, if being taken seriously could be harmful.
That's why I hate it when people say "chill, it's just a shitpost, it's not that deep." Like, this is how disinformation spreads...
Poe's law in action.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
There's a subreddit called TrumpZone or something like that that I joined because of all the over the top bootlicking memes. It took a few days before I realized that the memes weren't being posted ironically and the members really were batshit crazy.
Didn't r/TheDonald start out ironic and then slowly mutate into being unironic.
Same for r/MURICA. Sad case, it used to be really funny.
have you tried being batshit crazy though?
it's a lot of fun, as you may have briefly noticed. a lot more fun than being normie
Same here. I learned about Flat Earthers, and assumed they were sarcastic, like Birds aren't Real. Took me two years of occasionally coming across their shit to realize they were serious. I was flabbergasted.
That's when I started to understand how stupid people can be. They can be all the stupid, and in unsettling numbers.
It's not just stupidity.
May i introduce you to antivaxxers
and/or sovereign citizens (this venn diagram has a lot of overlap)
Yea yea birds aren't real we all know that. But have you ever gotten really close to a bird? Like close enough to tell if it has dimension? NO. OBVIOUSLY BIRDS ARE FLAT!
I think birds aren't real is starting to be taken seriously, too.
More like the techbros took inspiration...
I think the birds aren't real people have it all wrong.
Given the level of technology needed to make anything fly, how are we supposed to believe in the original organic "birds" to begin with?
Clearly it's just a distraction from the real harsh truth.
By Proxy: Brains aren't real
Obligatory George Carlin
The average person
We are but a spinning plate in the grand cosmic microwave oven of the universe
... explain?
Piss off with you pro-establishment crap.
I think it was either a Miniminuteman or a Folding Ideas video that showed what some flatties proposed: the Sun moves in a wacky repeating spiral pattern above the surface. It's closer to the Arctic during summer and to the Antarctic during winter, which they claim to explain the different angles of incidence. Obviously that doesn't conform to any physical laws... observed phenomena... ideas that a person of ordinary intelligence might come up with... their own models of flat Earth... but flatties are nothing if not persistent in their dogmatic rejection of reality.
I imagine it is like moving a lamp over a table. Closer parts have summer and further away parts have winter.
Which is pretty funny because in the northern hemisphere during January, the sun is closest to us. It's our axial tilt that drives the winter, being tilted further away in winter.
But God forbid they learn some actual fucking science 😂
earth moves around the sun. moving a table over a lamp.
I'm sure there's both types of flat earthers.
jeffs and steves?
very easily:
Their worldview is heavily built around Christian magic nonsense: The sky is a dome (firmament). Gravity doesn't exists, it's just buoyancy. They probably assume wind currents change and blow the cold off the icewall surrounding the world edge...
The earth is flat; it’s just space that’s curved.
They think earth is flat and space is 3d
This is why i dont like or support shit posting. FAR TOO MANY people simply can not understand.
They said, while participating in a community about 4chan posts.
Female... shitposter?
Fake and gay
It's still gay if they have a dick right
A lot of groups take advantage of shitposters in this way. Oh woe is me.
This is why in many native cultures they stay away from being sarcastic. They've learned that it can be harmful to a society and they have the empathy to not want to make certain people who are out of the loop feel dumb
Wdym by native cultures? I'm from a native culture that is known for our sarcasm in humour, not sure if you mean something else by that.
they mean they make up random shit on the internet because it makes them feel superior to whitey. likely being whitey themselves, but not like those other whiteys who are so sarcastic and cultural destructive, no sir.
....did the friend know too?
Flat-earth shitposters and actual flat-earthers may have their differences, but at least they can all agree that Apollo 11 was staged
Of course it was staged. That's how rockets work.
Poe's law
Eyefish lense?
Anon surely meant fisheye lens
Took me longer than I care to admit to figure that out. Heh.
Eyefish lence.
If you don't spell it right the government can track you.
After reading the comments I'm glad I'm not alone