[Swedish] Mullvad CEO donates to Swedish party that believes in "remigration"
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Fucking Nazi collaborator traitor
...they were pretty good at hiding stuff.
I'm tired, boss.
le sigh ಠ_ಠ
i pay a premium for mullvad, at least moving elsewhere isn't going to set me back.
fuck nazis.
Oh come on dawg. Let us have something. ;~;
lol and in the UK they put ads like they champion against fascism and surveillance. To them every ideology and concept is just a transportation device to more revenue.
Yeah! I thought the ads were weird when I was in the UK a few weeks ago.
The Mullvad CEO has ads?
Yes haven't you seen them?
Looks like I’ll be moving to IVPN, then…
This is a bit exaggerated. Source: Örebropartiet – Wikipedia https://share.google/P6sX4E6fKxmGhO0s1
Örebropartiet is not neonazi.
I guess one should think about who benefits from picture Mullvad in a bad light
It is good to consider this, but Örebropartiet are quite racist.
How does the wiki page help? It says Nationalist right there, clear as day.
On wikipedia everything is true. /s
Are they not nationalists? I wasnt the one that posted the wikipedia link.
https://www.orebropartiet.se/om-oss/
Idk. Id rather read what they themselves write. (Im not swedish)
Do you also believe that because the DPRK put democratic in their name, it means they're a democracy? They themselves wrote it.
No im not dumb
It's social fascism. Socialdemocracy for one race and fascism for another. Not that race makes any sense, but it's their worldview.
Fascists always say they aren't fascists or that they "can't be put on left or right spectrum." They are always disingenuous.
Yeah no, he's a piece of shit and so is his party
Who is the alt? As in what has the same security? willing to switch just need same level of security.
IVPN, probably.
AirVPN, Njalla?
Sweden has actively overhauled its migration policy to prioritize "remigration" (voluntary repatriation and stricter deportation rules).
They are kicking out the minorities. Europe is cooked, probably always was.
It doesn't even work as intended because the incentives are strongest for people capable of working, etc. It's the more integrated people who miss home and/or face a lot of racism that leaves, and our right wing government pays them to leave.
These morons have completely lost sight of the concept of investments and return of investment, they will do nothing to help people even when it pays off and will rather do shit like this for short term numbers.
why do you believe that endless migration is a good thing?
Humans migrated for a millennia because it was natural to rotate environments to reduce depletion. It is a human right to leave your environment for something better.
It is not my belief, it is other people's belief in imaginary lines that make up countries that cause this immigration problem. It is not about is it a good thing because that is subjective. It is simply something that has always happened.
You know human rights are imaginary as well?
When you say "other people's" you make it sound like what you're saying isn't insane, you're part of like 0.001% of people who want an endless planet with no borders or countries, that's insane to most people.
Humans have fought over land for a millennia
At no point in history has a tribe or group of people ever welcomed endless migration with open arms because there are obvious issues that come with this that are realised sooner or later.
We are in the or later part.
Maybe your imaginary, who knows.
I just pointed it was like this for thousands of years. This is a fact.
Immigrants are not migrating to fight so your point is silly.
No one said you have to welcome them with open arms. That is not what is going on here.
🤮🤮 what a disgusting comment and pos. Shut the fuck up zionist fascist cunt.
How are we cooked if we push away criminals and social benefit recievers, who dont even speak our languages???
Sorry, I meant the push to far right extremism like anti-immigration rhetoric not a specific instance of someone who has been deemed unworthy and therefore undeserving of human rights.
I hate criminals irrespective of color, nationality and language. Dont call me far right because im not. I also like free speech and there is none in far right/fascist coubtries!
Once again I am sorry, I was referring to far right extremism and the act of dehumanizing people not your personal belief.
I would suggest reading up on criminalizing people especially minorities. I am not trying to deny your personal experience, I just don't want it it to taint your perception of a lot people who may not deserve it.
https://cmr.jur.ru.nl/cmr/docs/Criminalisation_EN.pdf
You may be correct and there are some individuals that needs to be removed, but we should be careful because almost every single immigrant I have met has been a good worker and a honest person.
great!
It's hitting the wrong class of migrant. Elon Musk is a migrant. Migration is subject to class based effects.
If you're too poor and just need shelter (the poor and huddled masses), you're remigrated. If you're lower middle class you're brought in to work the worse jobs, which lowers local pay and conditions (migrants used as pawns of economics).
If you're middle class or higher you'll get in, might become a programmer or start an business in an area having a worker shortage. The Liberals and free market Capitalists will say "we need this endless growth to sustain our neglect of the local poor neighborhoods"
...and if you're fairly well off, you might be coming for the education system, to start a business, as a hobby for travel, you'll pay the premium fees for quick processing and won't be bothered.
Remigration targets the poorest and most in need. But we do all need to understand migration isn't alway a single "us vs the racists" issue. It's an issue that gets used to obscure some things and play up tensions elsewhere.
....which can be anything from crime and order fears, racism fears, wages and introducing job insecurity, union busting (as Musk did after he bought Twitter and used migrant programmers), or turning the education system into an international service economy.
Immigration as an issue is not simple, or black and white. But when it's punching down, on the poorest (either thise being remigrating, or those in low wage work and conditions already), it needs attention.
Right and nationalist parties will definitely make this difference in treatment, I am so sure of that.
Also, fuck borders, fuck countries, that shit is all made up anyways.
A great plan for untracable crime, kidnap and human trafficking, zero protection against disease and contamination brought by unchecked imports. The destruction of healthcare systems through over burden, opium war style politics and 1000s of other things.
An increadibly stupif idea in the world in which we live. Empty, mindless ideological optimism which seeks nothing more than patting its self on the back.
TIL crime can only be "traced" (whatever the fuck that means lol) when imaginary lines on maps are held up lmao
Yes, customs does actually sometimes help to trace crime. Having a paper trail of how goods and money travel BETWEEN NATIONS helps trace crime. Knowing who is in your country and who just left helps trace crime. Borders are not that difficult a concept to grasp.
Maybe you'll learn... From the safety of the border you sit behind.
Move to a place with less border protections if that's what you value, Transnistria perhaps.
In europa we want a more federal eu with weaker nation borders. But our borders to africa , russia and asia must be strong. Idk where the problem is.
Also yes, there are many hinderings in crossborder law enforement in europa. I read it sometimes in the news that some criminal could not be tried and/or tracked down.
just be warned you are arguing sensible policies on the fediverse and even worse on piefed.social, if you get banned do not be surprised, these guys are used to the echo chamber so they cannot debate only screech and ban
Criminals and murderers are made up too?
Then deport the right wing violent criminals
You're pretending immigrants are more violent but they're not actually, in most countries they're less dangerous on average
Yes thats good too
You've switch the goal posts, this section of replies has become about "what would happen without National Borders". It's not about modern immigration systems anymore.
When borders are dissolved (as they are in poverty, chaos, and war) disease spreads more easily, international criminal gangs operate with impunity, smuggling, kidnapping and people smuggling occur, murders and attacks escalate, gangs and unreported crimes increase.
Claiming that stating that, is really just saying "migrants are criminals" - when the topic has CLEARLY become about something else (a hypothetical about National Borders) is bullshit. Bait and switch.
The topic for this branch of replies is CLEARLY no longer simple immigration.
Well no they are very real and one is currently president of the shit-ass country with the mostest and biggliest military in the world. What a great ad for borders, good job!
Whats so bad about borders? You can move them if some folk is unhappy, no? Like ith serbia montenegro
Highly conditional, just as likely you'll get yourself killed or have to flee to the hills with guns and rebels.
Basically inviting all the stuff that happens after a war. From disease to people smuggling to contaminated goods to theft and smuggling.
You got sources on any of that?
You do understand why there are less jobs and lower wages where they come from is often directly tied to wars generally driven by western powers. Many still curently active even. Hati, Cuba, Palestine, nearly all of South America.
Do you really know any of these people to speak like that of them? I do, and that's not representative of most of them. Chile, Brazil, Ecuador, Venezuela, Bosnia, Palestine, Haiti. All of them are already planning to return the moment it becomes viable. The main reason several of the Bosnians I know are still here, has nothing to do with commercial opportunity etc. But the fact that they had kids born and raised here and didn't want to uproot their lives as well. Several moved back the moment their children moved out.
If they come here for education, something we are going to see less and less of in the US for sure as we collapse. Why is that something to hold against them. Without many of them we'd already be fucked. And plenty of them go back home to improve things there too.
And hate to break it to you. Immigrants don't lower wages. Capitalists do. We allow them to exploit unprotected classes. You want wages to go up? Give migrant workers similar protections as local workers. So they can't be exploited worse than local workers.
I'm not holding anything against anyone (nor did I speak ill of anyone) by pointing out the facts of the system.... And of course an American like you thinks everyone is a fellow American talking about America.
"Immigrants don't lower wages" - maybe they should stop accepting lower wages then, and perhaps join the union (no racist unionists aren't stopping them, you're speaking ill of people there). They don't join the union and they accept lower wages because they're in a more precarious position in the new country, and have less skills to navigate the new languages/systems. Employers can use someone's status to effect tgeir work visas. Nothing to do with "racist unionists".
"Without many of them we'd already be fucked" ahh yes, the endless growth model. Funny what you defend of Capitalism and what you reject. You're really just trying to appear culturally and morally superior on topics like race and gender, whilst still supporting neoliberal Capitalism - and you're not even aware you're doing it. That's what the cultural programming aims for: false consciousness.
Ultimately we're all humans in a system. Yes we can spend all day mindlessly complaining about the capitalist billionaires or coming up with fanciful ideas of how the world should work. But we have to deal with what is.
I'm sure I'll continue to be downvoted and you'll continue to be upvoted because people prefer the hopeful fantasy, to the systems we hate, but that are here to stay.
I didn't build this world, but I'm not going to lie about how it operates.
Not holding anything against anyone but flouting baseless unbacked "facts". Now you're getting even more offensive.
What I provided was only anecdotes. But that's more than your providing. And you could easily disprove it all by even providing basic facts. Instead of just calling things facts. You know how I know they're not facts? Because that's shit I low-key believed myself back in the late eighties as a young sheltered Midwestern teen. It wasn't true then either.
I get downvoted left and right all the time by statists. It's just something you get used to. And doesn't always mean wrong or right. Honestly often it's the opposite. Real Talk there's no shame in being wrong. Sometimes it's a gift and an opportunity. The only shame is in choosing to continue to be wrong or to not question what you believe.
Blaming exploited people for being exploited is victim blaming. I would think that would be pretty obvious why it's not popular. We should focus on blaming the people doing the exploiting. If you actually want to understand why they let themselves be exploited. It's not hard. Often being exploited here is still better than the conditions at home. That doesn't make it right or acceptable.
Yes the system isn't going to change if we all just passively accept it and the propaganda it puts forth as truth. As you have. Thankfully I think a lot of the kids are all right these days. Not nearly so bad or jaded as my fellow Gen X or their Boomer parents.
As I already stated. Anyways, I'll let you get back to your "unions are racist, workers of the world unite, but we do need immigrants for endless growth" bullshit. Very conflicted bullshit which is only propped up by "you're racist and I'm not".
Meanwhile migration in a globalized world IS a part of union busting. Migration is used to lower wages (as you agree, I assume from your "being exploited here is often better than at home" comment (which was in my original comment already, and again there I mentioned that "official" migration is mostly done by the more well off - who will still work in slightly worse conditions here rather than fight for better condition back home).
The first thing Musk did at Twitter was to replace the staff with migrant programmers on work visas, even convincing them to sleep in the office.
Class consciousness can only stretch so far when times are tough, what broke the left and allowed Trump's rise (via enticing the working class right towards MAGA), was leftists of infinite patience and optimism like you. Those whose ideals outstrip reality, and morals outstrip consideration, and now you've once again smited "yet another racist" you can ride off proclaiming yourself morally superiority and imperviousness to propaganda.
Very good you pompous nonce. Now fuck off on your high horse.
As someone who would tend to identify as a syndicist anarchist. I'm actually quite Pro Union. At least in the local sense. Not in a hierarchical national sense. Perhaps you'd have a better time talking to people if you listen to them. Let them tell you who they are. Rather than making up things to comfort yourself and fit your beliefs. If you've been paying attention you'll note that I've not made any assumptions about your personal beliefs. Merely addressing things you've actually said. Not making strawman. But addressing you factually. That's what someone does in a good faith discussion.
That immigrants are being taken advantage of to bust unions isn't the fault of the immigrants. You're victim blaming again. Don't do that. Immigrants are our brothers and sisters as much as anyone is. You want to stop the Union busting. You get them into the Union. You get them representation and rights. Busting busted. Until you do that the bougiest of the bourgeoisie are going to always find another group to abuse in order to hurt workers.
Mother fucker, in your very first reply you told me I was speaking ill of migrants. In the very next paragraph of your current comment you'll tell me I'm victim blaming, when I've repeatedly said we're all humans in systems, and outlined why migrants do what they do.
You're the one who wants to reward the system with a cheap, exploitable labour class.
Anyways I'll let you get back to your "anyone I don't like is racist and hates immigrants. It's the fault of Unions who I support" (again, your views aren't coherent).
Anarcho-syndiacalist - "Everyone but me should do more for me"
I'm betting you can't name, and don't do anything as part of a syndicate or organized collective. I'm betting you're an in-name-only ideologue. Good for you, having values is important, maybe one day you'll try applying them and you'll see how they're flawed by practical, on the ground, reality.
Ideology is a luxury meant to cause idiots to debate other idiots. I'm stupid for getting involved.
Because you were misrepresenting and speaking I'll of them. That wasn't an assumption.
You know nothing of my views, and I never said you were racist. But if you want to narc on yourself that's your prerogative. These absurd strawman you keep creating to attack though just screams petty flailing incoherence and disingenuousness.
Local wages wouldn't lower if unions welcomed immigrants and they (unions) did their job. Or if you mean stuff that's clandestine work (like meat packing plants), those abuse migrant workers who are poor and desperate, some of which are children, not the kind of migration you were talking about.
Work visas are easily taken away, and employment status counts. The company gets a say unfortunately.
Is it immigrants fault you let billionaires run the country? But immigrants are easy target so…
You also let billionaires take over your country, dumbass. Every country has the disease of wealth inequality.
Good job writing this hot vomit, you are a fascist and deserve to be stomped like a bug. What a whiny little bitch.
What about putting the money against immigration into helping the countries of immigrants instead?
I'm not stopping you money bags.
There should be no borders so who cares why people are moving.
Why not import a certain number of apex predators to a specific country and let them all duke it put. Local conditions and wildlife be damned.
I nominate your country. That's essentially what open borders would allow. After all, no borders then no animal importation restrictions. Hell all the criminals of the world could use it as a central shipping location for sex trafficking, drugs, illegal animals.
Your ideals rest of the idea that humanity is only ever moral. Humans are that way though. Hence all the billionaires.
Nonsense racism is all you argued humans aren't one way they are adaptable to society.
What the fuck are you even talking about? You're an idiot. I don't waste time on idiots.
A murder commited by a migrant in europa only happens because he wasnt adapted to society, so we can assume he wasnt adapted right even in his country aswell. That is why they dont want him there anymore, we hear in News we cant fly some people back because in their home countries they would be tortured or imprisoned.
I dont have mullvad and wont buy it, but this is a good decision!💪🏻🇪🇺