Seriously. It's a community that is likely popular among people who care about fitness, which likely means young men and some women, and then he can sneak in conservative propaganda between actual calisthenics stuff to nudge people to the right.
I think it would be a big step forward if republicans used actually free social media platforms rather than those that are controlled by their leaders and heavily used for propaganda. So although I disagree with their political orientation, I'd welcome them to whatever Fediverse platform they're interested in. Also I think it's better if internet platforms represent everyone. Otherwise Lemmy may turn into (and partially might be already) an echo chamber for green, left ideas. Having a safe space is great, but I think it's also good to keep in mind that we don't have a statistically representative audience here.
i have a feeling you're using the word "republicans" to refer to the party of john mccain. which died with him.
what we have now is fascism. when i see someone simping for anyone running for office with R next to their name, it's not what you'd call a "discussion."
John McCain was a POW and he may have served honourably in the US military, but he wasn't some paragon of virtue. Wasn't he a big part of the Birther movement (the ones who tried to push the idea that Barack Obama was not a bona fide American citizen because his father was born in Kenya and some suggested he was as well)?
If we're going back some years, we could use the Republicans' own words and call them the party of Lincoln, though every Republican who voted for Abraham Lincoln likely would have voted for Barack Obama, and more recently, against Donald Trump. The Republicans were the progressive party back then and the Democrats (under whom the Klan was founded) were the conservative party. Conservatives today like to remind people of that, but they don't like it when we point out that the two parties swapped ideals and platforms long before any of us were born.
Here is John McCain saying Obama is a decent person and that he is US citizen to a room full of future Trump supporters. The party was dying in front of him.
no and he actively shut up the people trying to make that an issue on the campaign trail. the loudest voice among the birth certificate crowd was donald trump lmao
I disagree, I think smaller communities are more sustainable and defederation should occur more, not less. I like discussing common interests and digging deeper into a topic both users have a shared basic understanding of. For example, allowing and even promoting people to come into a community like WomensStuff and argue against some pretty basic feminist ideas is really not what that community is made for. There are so many more examples of this, but without fail the end result is discouragement of minority opinions and people who are truly passionate about their chosen communities.
I still like the idea of forums and still use a bunch of them, but different forums being somewhat compatible to each other has quite some advantages from my perspective. For me it would be great concept of having independent websites that can exchange data via ActivityPub and people can either visit the website or consume the content from another instance and with their app of choice.
Having safe spaces (which is absolutely fine and up to the mods of the community) doesn't mean that other people that contradict the idea of said safe spaces shouldn't use the Fediverse in general.
They could host their own Nazi instance of Lemmy and do whatever they want rather than using X or truth social or whatever. I obviously still don't like these people and their ideas, but I prefer them discussing it without being additionally manipulated by intransparent algorithms and corporations. Of course, other instances can (and probably will in many cases) decide to defederate the Nazi server or block specific users or communities as it's done today.
doesn't mean that these people shouldn't use the Fediverse in general.
I'm not arguing that at all; defederation does not affect somebody's ability to host an instance. Everything I said can be equally applied to all communities.
Could you please elaborate what you meant with your disagreement then? Seems to me that we agree here. I did not mean to say that everyone should be welcomed in every community and share whatever opinion/content they want. I was just talking about Platforms as in X, Truth Social or in case of the Fediverse Mastodon, Lemmy, Loops etc.
Because nothing I said was against the idea of decentralization, or promoting people staying on twitter. Defederating is a healthy part of decentralization, and it should be encouraged more as the fediverse grows.
For one, it sounds like he did you a favour if his idols are Trump and Musk.
Two, everyone's allowed on Lemmy. Someone supports paedophilia and war crimes, you could just block them. In this case it looks like the trash took itself out.
Also, there is/was a MAGA instance. Almost everyone immediately defederated from it. Just like how Truth Social (Trump's social network) is based on Mastodon, but most Mastodon instances defederated from it (or Truth Social was altered to not federate; I'm not sure).
More context . Disagreeing snd misinformation are teo different things . Maybe the mod is lying and that's why I am asking context. It is still a PTB for banning from communities where the supposed misinformation was not written
Spend enough time on Lemmy and you'll be blessed with wondering if some incel is actually going to selfharm because you exist in their reality and didn't support American foreign policy harder.
What’s with conservatives and calisthenics? Fucking cultists
Access to young men.
Seriously. It's a community that is likely popular among people who care about fitness, which likely means young men and some women, and then he can sneak in conservative propaganda between actual calisthenics stuff to nudge people to the right.
Same reason they buy makeup influencers.
I think it would be a big step forward if republicans used actually free social media platforms rather than those that are controlled by their leaders and heavily used for propaganda. So although I disagree with their political orientation, I'd welcome them to whatever Fediverse platform they're interested in. Also I think it's better if internet platforms represent everyone. Otherwise Lemmy may turn into (and partially might be already) an echo chamber for green, left ideas. Having a safe space is great, but I think it's also good to keep in mind that we don't have a statistically representative audience here.
i have a feeling you're using the word "republicans" to refer to the party of john mccain. which died with him.
what we have now is fascism. when i see someone simping for anyone running for office with R next to their name, it's not what you'd call a "discussion."
So you don't think we can compromise on who to exterminate? Bigot.
John McCain was a POW and he may have served honourably in the US military, but he wasn't some paragon of virtue. Wasn't he a big part of the Birther movement (the ones who tried to push the idea that Barack Obama was not a bona fide American citizen because his father was born in Kenya and some suggested he was as well)?
If we're going back some years, we could use the Republicans' own words and call them the party of Lincoln, though every Republican who voted for Abraham Lincoln likely would have voted for Barack Obama, and more recently, against Donald Trump. The Republicans were the progressive party back then and the Democrats (under whom the Klan was founded) were the conservative party. Conservatives today like to remind people of that, but they don't like it when we point out that the two parties swapped ideals and platforms long before any of us were born.
No, he was outspoken against that movement when it started gaining traction during their election cycle.
Not really a fan of McCain, but at least he had values I guess.
to quote The Muslims "John McCain's Ghost Sneaks into the White House and Teabags the President":
Here is John McCain saying Obama is a decent person and that he is US citizen to a room full of future Trump supporters. The party was dying in front of him.
https://youtu.be/JIjenjANqAk?is=Vr5_wE1-ZBm2hZE4
you're arguing against something i never said, nor can it reasonably be said that i implied it anywhere. but ok
no and he actively shut up the people trying to make that an issue on the campaign trail. the loudest voice among the birth certificate crowd was donald trump lmao
He also shut down Obama being Muslim.
It was horrible to watch him try to be honest when his vp was a wacky job that herald trumps elk
I disagree, I think smaller communities are more sustainable and defederation should occur more, not less. I like discussing common interests and digging deeper into a topic both users have a shared basic understanding of. For example, allowing and even promoting people to come into a community like WomensStuff and argue against some pretty basic feminist ideas is really not what that community is made for. There are so many more examples of this, but without fail the end result is discouragement of minority opinions and people who are truly passionate about their chosen communities.
In this case, why bother with the Fediverse in the first place and why should we not go back to the forums of yesteryear?
I still like the idea of forums and still use a bunch of them, but different forums being somewhat compatible to each other has quite some advantages from my perspective. For me it would be great concept of having independent websites that can exchange data via ActivityPub and people can either visit the website or consume the content from another instance and with their app of choice.
There are many instances worth federating with.
Having safe spaces (which is absolutely fine and up to the mods of the community) doesn't mean that other people that contradict the idea of said safe spaces shouldn't use the Fediverse in general.
They could host their own Nazi instance of Lemmy and do whatever they want rather than using X or truth social or whatever. I obviously still don't like these people and their ideas, but I prefer them discussing it without being additionally manipulated by intransparent algorithms and corporations. Of course, other instances can (and probably will in many cases) decide to defederate the Nazi server or block specific users or communities as it's done today.
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I'm not arguing that at all; defederation does not affect somebody's ability to host an instance. Everything I said can be equally applied to all communities.
Could you please elaborate what you meant with your disagreement then? Seems to me that we agree here. I did not mean to say that everyone should be welcomed in every community and share whatever opinion/content they want. I was just talking about Platforms as in X, Truth Social or in case of the Fediverse Mastodon, Lemmy, Loops etc.
Because nothing I said was against the idea of decentralization, or promoting people staying on twitter. Defederating is a healthy part of decentralization, and it should be encouraged more as the fediverse grows.
For one, it sounds like he did you a favour if his idols are Trump and Musk.
Two, everyone's allowed on Lemmy. Someone supports paedophilia and war crimes, you could just block them. In this case it looks like the trash took itself out.
Also, there is/was a MAGA instance. Almost everyone immediately defederated from it. Just like how Truth Social (Trump's social network) is based on Mastodon, but most Mastodon instances defederated from it (or Truth Social was altered to not federate; I'm not sure).
This user is an alias of a well-known fediverse troll and being banned from their shitty communities is a blessing in disguise.
Half the communities they mod are so locked up that only they can create posts.
win-win for both of you from what I can tell. what's the problem here exactly?
the beauty of Lemmy. you can federate with anyone, and anyone can federate with you.
also, accounts are free. that probably helps.
It's a psyop and dessenting opinions are bad for business
More context . Disagreeing snd misinformation are teo different things . Maybe the mod is lying and that's why I am asking context. It is still a PTB for banning from communities where the supposed misinformation was not written
I asked in the conservative com if they support trump once
havent even posted in the lib and cali coms btw
Spend enough time on Lemmy and you'll be blessed with wondering if some incel is actually going to selfharm because you exist in their reality and didn't support American foreign policy harder.
It doesn't take much power to corrupt even the most ethical moderators. Takes even less if you go into politics.
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