Iran shuts Strait of Hormuz over Israel's attacks on Lebanon, deepening the Middle East crisis
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I mean this with every fiber of my being: fuck Israel. Sadistic fucks are going to burn the whole world down.
FUCK REPUBLICANS THEY ARE ENABLING ALL OF THIS!!
I mean, it’s not a bad play to stop Israel’s genociding. To be clear, Iran’s regime is evil, they treat their people, especially women, terribly. Meanwhile, Israel has gone off the rails and there doesn’t seem to be a single western power willing to sit them down and have an intervention to get them off this bender of blood and ruin.
So, Iran, of all people, is going to force the point by closing the straight until they do.
Iran only exists in this form because of the US and Israel. They were a flourishing culture until interfered with.
Israel won't stop.
But this might cause Trump to stop sending them weapons, which will give their victims a better chance at winning.
Trump is more likely to start dropping nukes on Iran than to reign in Israel.
Have you been paying attention to the shut he's been saying about Netanyaho recently?
He changed his mind again. He threatened to kill the Iranian diplomats today. Iran says they're not negotiating anymore and I don't blame them.
Honestly it doesn't matter what Trump says because he will forget it in less than day. His dementia is advancing quickly.
i'm speaking as an iranian american, respectfully, you need to come to terms with that and accept that you don't actually know anything about iran, or really, a lot of the countries you probably think are "evil". your entire life has been a brainwashing and lying campaign by your government and the corporations that control it. they want you to think the iranian government is evil so they can manufacture consent. it's literally that simple, and you repeating their point of view, or prefacing your "maybe we shouldn't indiscriminately kill civilians" opinion with their talking points only goes to serve their goals.
and before anybody's brainwashing kicks in;
you not agreeing with the iranian way of life doesn't make the government evil, and whether you want to accept it or not, most iranians do support their government. no, the iranian people are not brainwashed or stupid, you just have been misinformed about life in iran and how the government functions. example; my father was caught on a bus with alcohol. he was "sentenced" to 15 lashes. in reality he sat in a holding cell for 2 days then went home. whether or not you agree with the prohibition of alcohol is irrelevant
another example, and i'll preface this by saying i'm not trying to paint life in iran as easy, but in iran, the government actually does things to try and make life for its citizens livable despite the conditions america has created for the country. the government tries to make sure housing is affordable, provides healthcare and full education. women are on average MORE educated than men and leagues more educated than both men and women in any western country so i think it's funny americans have this idea that iranian women are so oppressed, but that's besides the point; for how "evil" the "iranian regime" is can you say that the AMERICAN government does anything like that to make life for ITS citizens better? more livable? does the US government do ANYTHING AT ALL for its citizens? anything you can point to is a handout to corporations. even the supposed "welfare state" in the US is just a handout to corporations. when a walmart worker gets food stamps, the walmart worker isn't the one benefitting in that situation, it's walmart who is saving money on labor over millions of employees american taxes pay for
I’m not defending maga, or some of the shit that’s gone down prior in our long and sometimes sordid history. Everyone has better healthcare, undisputed. But most of my commentary here and in RL comes from this. I believe, in any place, relationship, government where women do not have the legal equality and freedom of men, I see it as evil. I include my own government and country in that estimation. Secular or religious, that context matters not at all, to me. That’s not fed by propaganda. If a woman chooses a certain life, cool. If it’s thrust upon her by circumstance, that’s different.
I am curious. How much of the story of Melina Asadi’s death and such was real and how much was propaganda? I followed those stories.
the issue here is that your western brainwashing makes you completely unable to contend with two facts; 1. that women in iran are equal to men, and that equality looks different from one culture to another, and 2. you're basing your opinions off of propaganda and brainwashing while being so propagandized that you believe you're coming from some place of objective observation. you are the type of person who is almost not worth talking to, frankly. even your question at the end, genuinely ask yourself, how true do you really think the narrative behind this thing that happened in a country thousands of miles away that was plastered all over your tv as an excuse to invade and bomb people is? your tv will show you a video of a black man getting choked to death by a cop and say "maybe it was a drug overdose we don't know". you think they're telling you the truth about anything else in any other country? you must be smarter than that.
I'm sorry but any country that has public executions can get fucked.
They're only trying to get Israel to do less genociding. Stopping the genocide in Gaza isn't on the table.
Israel has been fighting on multiple different fronts against groups that wouldn’t exist (or wouldn’t be much of a threat) if not for Iran flooding them with cash and weapons to cause trouble — and it’s now been going on for nearly three generations.
I’m not a fan of Israel’s tactics, and I don’t forgive or forget the fact that they got so tired of the shit Iran has been pulling with arming roughly a dozen different anti-Israeli groups including Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Ansar Allah, Kata’ib Hezbollah, Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq, Badr Organization, and various Syrian militias. All of these groups are anti-Israel, and likely wouldn’t exist (or would only exist as minor irritants with little power) if not for being funded and supported (and armed) by Iran.
If Brazil were pumping massive amounts of money and weapons into the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys and the 3 Percenters and you had constant attacks going on from them on American soil on a daily basis, I think Americans would be pretty pissed off, and after 50 years of dealing with that kind of shit would likely turn to some pretty extremist politicians too (hell, they haven’t had to put up with that kind of crap and installed such an administration anyway!)
I don’t agree AT ALL with the way Israel is treating the Palestinians — but I can see how they politically got to where they are today.
Pete is a stain on America. Renames himself to Secretary of War, loses his first war. What a moron. Can't wait for the day justice finds him.
Lol wut. So ships are going to get double tolled?
Don't threaten me with a good time, Mr. President. You might be doing more good to progress the world away from oil than any President since we learned about the climate catastrophe, ironically
Trump is a librul PLANT who is working to push the world to woke GREEN ENERGY and destroy the beautiful family friendly fossil fuel industry!
/S, because someone might take this seriously.
No way, who could have seen this coming, I am honestly and sincerely surprised by this unanticipated development.
In a broadcast aried on Iranian state TV (translated)
I'm not sure that Donvict or Hegseth have any fucking idea just what they stepped in.
Seeing these two and other flunkies and apparatchiks trying to spin this shitshow is just wild.
They're making ludicrous money manipulating the market.
Don't be a fool.
They know very well what they're doing. They're making a killing $$$$
"Why are you so obsessed with Israel? It's not like it matters in your daily life. American voters don't care about Gaza."
-You know who
Are we tired of all the winning yet?
Although Trump posted this at 7:30am this morning, resulting in the Iranian delegation to cancel the peace talks.
Lol if they can make the US abandon Israel I would laugh so fucking hard hahahahaha!
Shumer will finally get to bite his cyanide capsule and detonate his suicide vest in congress.
Same with
Holden BloodfeastLindsey GrahamOne of these days Israel is going to bump into a country that is not going to tolerate there actions.
Or here actions, maybe even anywhere actions.
They have nukes though, and biological weapons, and chemical weapons and shit. Because we gave them to them. I wonder how they compromised the ruling class initially.
Why do you use the word "we"? It's not like ordinary people got a say in any of this.
Unfortunately, we are judged by our leaders.
We need to find a way to play mario brothers multiplayer. I am serious.
There are legit people who do that? I see you guys as victims who got dragged along more than anything
That is true, but it is on us to fix it. In Luigi we trust.
They didn't compromise the ruling class initially, Zionism has been supported by the western bourgeoisie since it's beginning, they benefit greatly from the arrangement materially and many elite Christians support Zionism ideologically. They have used Palestine as a laboratory for repression and murder for decades.
A lot of it at the time was also antisemitism. They didn't want to give Jews a homeland - they wanted to get rid of them and convinced them Israel was the answer. And the only people it's worked out for are rich assholes and religious zealots.
Aw shit, here we go again
Strong Man look weak. Look scared. Strong Man pay big money for end fight. Fight not over. Strong Man not know what do, want go home, forget fight. Strong Man tribe not forget.
-$400B
And the war persists.
There was no way to foresee this ....
That's a +$400B for the military industrial complex and the shareholders of those companies, which includes all the people who chose to go to this war.
They won't stop so long as they keep profiting
Art of the Spiel
No shit? The president's peace deal didn't hold? I am shocked! /s
I liked that many people in the news seem to actually talk in a tone that implied this one was for realsies.
Why would he want peace? It's much more profitable to be at war ..
Both sides signed that agreement. Netanyahu, the puppet master, was not party to the agreement and provides a great big F.U.
But Trump can cut off funding to Israel, and their whole economy will collapse.
They're both stubborn, and Iran knows this 🍿
Gotta keep that insider trading grift going lol
Who could have seen this coming? Jesus Christ, would put a fucking bullet in the head of every single admin official, Can I say that?
They're playing 4D chess.
They knew that this would happen, and they knew it would make Trump pissed at Israel and lead to the US funding of Israel to dry up.
I don't even know what the good outcome here would be, given the terms of America's surrender. Maybe it would be better if Iran pushed too far and forced Trump to re-enter the war.
America forces Israel to pull out of Lebanon, or makes its local vassals stop protecting Israel if it doesn't agree to do so?
Until the next time Iran doesn’t like something and pulls this shit again. Don’t think for a second companies aren’t going to price this new risk into what they charge US in perpetuity.
What do you mean "doesn't like something" they were perfectly clear that Lebanon was a red line for them. It's right there in the memorandum. Nothing about this is surprising. Also they can't push their luck too much because the world does still need Gulf oil, so they can't just use it as a free money button.
They have been very clear about what a deal would require since the beginning and Israel and the US have failed to uphold their end. In fact they had a deal arranged for years that they were happy to abide by until the US and Israel bombed them.
Oh I agree Donnie should’ve never done what he did. But the deal he negotiated is also shit. At this point it’s a no win scenario, all thanks to the MAGAt mouthbreathers.
It's not like the U.S. is the only country affected by this. Real people are losing lives down there, and the effects of the war is echoing all over the world.
I live in a Nordic country, and the group I work in is having our work scaled down for autumn because the company we work for is reducing their budget as they're unable to ship a significant portion of the iron they produce. Thanks Trump.
I'm okay with the U.S. taking this hit. I'm sick and tired of the idiots in charge keeping their heads when others are dying because of their actions.
Now I’ve been very vocal about these assholes losing their heads as soon as we can make it happen…