I got really REALLY drunk with Norwegians once. One of the dudes got real serious at one point and said, “Lads. If we take lands in Ireland we can become LORDS.” Everyone looked stern and nodded.
As a Norwegian fairly interested in fotball, I wish everyone could engage slightly less with fascist governments and corrupt organisations. We can do better than USA and FIFA.
While I think it's just harmless fun, understand most of those criticizms. But the nazi comparisons seem sad and pathetic. Should every symbol the nazis tried to appropriate for themselves be surrendered to them? Should we give them the ability to limit what symbols the rest of us are allowed to use? I don't think we should.
It has been a problem in particular with runes, as they are heavily associated with neo-nazis to the point where at least Scandinavians often feel very uncomfortable around it. Some participants in the debate in Norway are praising the team for reclaiming the symbolism from the nazis.
I personally agree that we cannot surrender our historical legacy to nazis, and I think it's worth making active efforts to reclaim it. So I think this is a good thing, as long as the team also make sure to celebrate diversity and anti-fascism. I chose my user name here according to a similar logic.
I was talking about the symbolism associated with the viking cultures, not the way they conducted themselves when visiting neighbours. I wouldn't want the majority of thar to be shelved off as nazism just because some germans a millenia later thought the letters and mythology looked cool and wanted them for themselves. Or should we ditch every aspect of mythology and folklore that the schizoid Himmler decided to take a fascination with?
That one has basically no other associations in the western world and I'm not a hindu, so I don't have a reason to. But pagan traditions, symbolism and mythology are a different matter. If you wish to label all of those as nazism, only the nazis will thank you for it.
Can you quote where I labelled them all the above as nazism please. You seem to have spent this entire conversation trying to put words in my mouth.
In fact, can you also quote where I said we need to throw out everything the nazis ever tried to claim while we're here too please. I feel like you made that one up as well.
Any symbol that can possibly remind people of something bad will spark instant rageposting - the desire to vent anger seems to outweigh wanting to be right.
I said it has overtones of all the above. I didn't say its all nazism. Its very surprising to me that people have chosen to read that when the only person who said anything like that was someone else trying to put words in my mouth.
Pretty much any group from history behaved terribly by modern standards. Even the colonized were doing their own colonizing before being overpowered by a more powerful colonizer.
That whole northern viking folklore is actually kind of insane if you know that the whole game of the vikings was to sail to other countries, loot & pillage and to murder, rape & enslave people.
I doubt they were that dense. If they could get the loot without killing, maybe even the villagers carrying it to their ship, they would do so and come back in the next harvesting season.
I got really REALLY drunk with Norwegians once. One of the dudes got real serious at one point and said, “Lads. If we take lands in Ireland we can become LORDS.” Everyone looked stern and nodded.
Did you invade Ireland?
I am now something called a “Jarl” which is not tax deductible but still pretty cool. The Irish government was GRUMPY about this though.
Yeah, don’t leave us hanging!
As a Norwegian fairly interested in fotball, I wish everyone could engage slightly less with fascist governments and corrupt organisations. We can do better than USA and FIFA.
Big discussion in Norway atm about this aesthetic-- kitsch? camp? vulgar? too aryan? to chauvinistic? or just too close to nazi symbolism for comfort?
https://thevikingherald.com/article/the-vikings-return-to-america-norwegian-soccer-team-gets-in-the-world-cup-spirit/1395
https://www.dagbladet.no/sport/kritikkstorm-faen-sa-dum/84715979
Nazi symbolism?
That's like calling an Indian person with swastika a Nazi.
Good fun
All of the above tbh.
While I think it's just harmless fun, understand most of those criticizms. But the nazi comparisons seem sad and pathetic. Should every symbol the nazis tried to appropriate for themselves be surrendered to them? Should we give them the ability to limit what symbols the rest of us are allowed to use? I don't think we should.
It has been a problem in particular with runes, as they are heavily associated with neo-nazis to the point where at least Scandinavians often feel very uncomfortable around it. Some participants in the debate in Norway are praising the team for reclaiming the symbolism from the nazis.
I personally agree that we cannot surrender our historical legacy to nazis, and I think it's worth making active efforts to reclaim it. So I think this is a good thing, as long as the team also make sure to celebrate diversity and anti-fascism. I chose my user name here according to a similar logic.
You're right, it's unfair on the scandiboos to associate brutal white slaver-colonisers with nazis.
I was talking about the symbolism associated with the viking cultures, not the way they conducted themselves when visiting neighbours. I wouldn't want the majority of thar to be shelved off as nazism just because some germans a millenia later thought the letters and mythology looked cool and wanted them for themselves. Or should we ditch every aspect of mythology and folklore that the schizoid Himmler decided to take a fascination with?
If you want to wear a swastika, that's your choice to make. People will judge you for it though.
That one has basically no other associations in the western world and I'm not a hindu, so I don't have a reason to. But pagan traditions, symbolism and mythology are a different matter. If you wish to label all of those as nazism, only the nazis will thank you for it.
Can you quote where I labelled them all the above as nazism please. You seem to have spent this entire conversation trying to put words in my mouth.
In fact, can you also quote where I said we need to throw out everything the nazis ever tried to claim while we're here too please. I feel like you made that one up as well.
If a Hindu, Buddhist, or Jain puts a swastika outside their home, literally no one except an ignorant person would judge them for it.
We're talking about Scandinavians using the viking aesthetic for a photoshoot. It's not nazism.
Any symbol that can possibly remind people of something bad will spark instant rageposting - the desire to vent anger seems to outweigh wanting to be right.
I said it has overtones of all the above. I didn't say its all nazism. Its very surprising to me that people have chosen to read that when the only person who said anything like that was someone else trying to put words in my mouth.
I don't know, felt kind of cheap to me.
Stupidly. The ones judging should be called out for being ignorant.
Pretty much any group from history behaved terribly by modern standards. Even the colonized were doing their own colonizing before being overpowered by a more powerful colonizer.
Wow I really upset the scandiboos.
No, you upset intelligent people with your flagrant stupidity.
Yeah, we'll wait for the mythical large-scale group of perfect humans. What a dumbass fucking take.
The first two, arguably. The remaining are ridiculous.
A severe lacking of beards. Clearly these are footballers and not Vikings they are cosplaying as. Its cute.
They probably have all their teeth too, and I bet none of them have intestinal worms. Certainly not Vikings.
Do you even live if you don't have intestinal worms? Smh my head
THESE are the faces of men cohabiting with intestinal worms
Beard or no, I don't think I'd want to run into Haaland on a battlefield.
Erling Haaland: this is what I've actually been training for
It was his suggestion to recruit the photographer.
That whole northern viking folklore is actually kind of insane if you know that the whole game of the vikings was to sail to other countries, loot & pillage and to murder, rape & enslave people.
Lots of famous historical figures did just that.
Kinda frowned upon these, but back then was all the rage!
Significantly fewer poorly defended, costal monastaries in england these days... I wonder why?
But only kinda
I doubt they were that dense. If they could get the loot without killing, maybe even the villagers carrying it to their ship, they would do so and come back in the next harvesting season.
But who knows.
Yeah, the vikings PR team is only surpassed by regular pirates and the British royal family.
https://youtu.be/XsTpdqLFtoo
It's a vibe
Well hey, if pirates and mafia characters can be popular why can't vikings.
This reminds me of a Netflix series called Norsemen - a somewhat slow moving, very dry comedy about vikings. Worth watching!
It's a good show!
Good first impression.