Spyke
swg-empire.de

Of course nobody was saved by him, since he didn't kill anyone.

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lemmy.ca

Correct. This dude will never get a fair trial when even his SUPPORTERS are throwing him under the bus daily

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explodiclereply
sh.itjust.works

He's got two types of supporters.

  • He didn't do it, he's innocent
  • He did it and is innocent
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lemmy.world

How about I don't care if he did it or not I'm just happy it got done and he is innocent either way?

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Yup.

Murdering billionaires should be a public service, not a crime. Especially those who made their money murdering others.

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Yup, he's only the suspect, not tried at all. And honestly, I feel they grabbed anyone who looked like the person who did it just to appease the oligarchs. I truly believe he's innocent.

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PhoenixDogreply
lemmy.world

The entire arrest, the call from the McDonald's employee, the actual video evidence of police fucking up their evidence collection...

He's not getting convicted of shit in a fair court.

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feddit.online

I remember waiting patiently for somebody to do a study or show some internal data on whether the claim denial rate went up or down, and never saw a lick of it.

Like, sure, there are people who get their claims approved. There are also people who get them denied and don't dispute the decision. You can't use anecdotes as evidence.

EDIT: I went searching again just now and I found that, at least 2 years after the killing, UnitedHealth was STILL investing heavily in AI claim handling, which would increase the claim denial rate. The industry as a whole have also raised rates dramatically. The slightly more apologetic UHC interim-CEO resigned and was replaced by a more profit-focused individual by shareholders. Healthcare companies spent more on security in 2024.

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feddit.online

https://www.beckerspayer.com/payer/one-year-after-ceo-killing-unitedhealth-navigates-a-financial-reset/

UnitedHealth is also investing heavily in AI, deploying more than 2,000 engineers and integrating over 1,000 use cases across its business. Optum has rolled out AI-enabled products to hospitals and other providers, including a multi-payer claims solution and predictive analytics tools for operating room scheduling, as it works to regain customers lost after the 2024 Change Healthcare cyberattack.

The company plans to resume share buybacks in the second half of 2026 and return to its normal M&A activity, with margin expansion expected in 2027.

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feddit.online

I think we've run this experiment enough times throughout history to say with utmost confidence: the solution can only be legislative, political activism and outreach is the only effective method.

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lemmy.world

When your politicians are bought and paid for? Thomas Massie was kicked out of congress, and he was a darn republican. All because he didn't vote with Trump on everything. Good luck getting anything progressive through without a little belligerent "persuasion."

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Well, thats easy, just remove every single Republican. Remove the GOP. Vote DNC, or if there is an actual independent polling higher than that, vote IND, but otherwise always vote DNC and never vote GOP. That's the only way off the crazy train without sacrificing millions and without enabling unchecked eastern powers.

If Luigi had been a political activist he might have accomplished some tiny shred of good in his life, but he failed.

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lemmy.cafe

That's just the Free Market working like it's supposed to. That company's policies were so egregious that they eventually spawned a customer angry enough to do something about it. As a result, health insurance companies eased up on their restrictions for a time. That's a perfect example of the Free market working the way it's supposed to, and applying self-regulation

The only problem was that it wore off, and the companies went back to their same egregious policies. That just confirms that we need to Luigi CEOs on a regular basis, until they decide that the extra bit of profit isn't worth it.

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MJKee9reply
lemmy.world

I feel bad for Luigi. People now associate him with a murdered CEO, yet we all know he's innocent.

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Folstarreply
lemmus.org

Some intrepid economist need only work out how long the Luigi Effect lingers, then we can set up a scheduled sacrifice. Finally, CEOs will be telling some truth when they claim to be taking all the risks. Free Market be praised!

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feddit.online

Not a whole lot of data has been published yet but so far we believe the companies actually denied more claims after Luigi than before, largely attributed to companies including UHC replacing human employees with AI.

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feddit.online

Yes but as I explained is there doesn't appear to have been a Luigi Effect from what we know, but we're largely missing data on the subject.

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Folstarreply
lemmus.org

Your post deals with long horizon trends. Immediately after the shooting there were waves of stories about long standing approval battles being won, hospitals noticing a change, etc... Yes, it's anecdotal which people say like it isn't real for some reason, but that just means we lack more verifiable evidence. The only way to learn more is to repeat the experiment.

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feddit.online

Ah I see, I forgot that annecdotal evidence was the supreme authority on all things truth and logic. /s

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There actually isn't any evidence that the companies ease up on their restrictions. The company Brian was in charge of is actually denying more claims now with an AI reviewal process.

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quokk.au

Killing billionaires save lives human lives and more than one for every billionaire if you're not at least trying to help kill billionaires you're a bad person

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lemmy.ca

This is what has always bothered me about Batman and many other heroes who have had the same narrative arc: the idea that killing someone makes you as bad as the villains. It doesn't.

I understand the parable they're trying to convey: that unchecked power will eventually corrupt, and that by using the enemy's weapon, you could one day become them. But absolutes like that are silly.

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It's more specific to Batman's character than that. Because of his trauma, he'll basically do anything to avoid enacting the same suffering he dealt with when his parents were murdered. It's not necessarily about the morality of it and more about his overall obsessions.

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Its called slave morality the name kind of explains it right the pushing if it through the modern Americana mythology is kind of a civic religion it can all get fucked

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Its also just a problem that comics dont want to remove popular characters from the story, so it led to the revolving door of incarceration. And then we had the edgelord front that changed the villains from goofy pranksters to mass murderers.

There's a lot of issues to go around.

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lemmy.zip

I hate the videos like the one of some people harassing Peter Thiel on the street. Like wtf, why don't you do anything? The man is right there.

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Best case scenario he's going to be in the public eye forever, getting marriage proposals and death threats.

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lemmy.world

I agree but the guy Luigi allegedly killed was a multi-millionaire, not a billionaire.

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PhoenixDogreply
lemmy.world

Are you normally this pedantic? Or do you usually defend people siphoning wealth from the rest of us?

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Excuse me? How exactly was I defending him?

And yes, I am normally that pedantic.

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lemmy.world

I had a much-needed MRI denied about a month after the incident. These people are shameless.

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quokk.au

They're not people nothing wrong with killing them but so much right

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explodiclereply
sh.itjust.works

Oh they're people all right, it's important to remember how a person turns into this.

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explodiclereply
sh.itjust.works

No. Look at it. This is us. This is the sort of animal we are. We can choose to be better, we can deter being worse, but one needs to recognize that human beings are capable of this depravity - not just write them off.

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This is so important. Every one of us has the capacity for great evil.

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A person doesn't turn into this. They are born that way. They are not human.

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fedia.io

Like my paw paw used to say: "A bullet a day keeps the insurance adjuster away."

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programming.dev

"oh you got tumor in your brain but it is not growing just causing blinding pain? seems like it is not killing you so we choose not to cover its costs, thanks baiiiiii"

literally scum of the earth, worse than academic publishing companies by a large margin (which is very hard to do).

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I'd literally kill myself before I became an adjuster for an American insurance company.

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There were likely many people whose lives were either saved or made better by that shooting. For a time after, insurance denials were down. This was the lever being pulled in the trolley problem made manifest.

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You're telling me that it's good that regular people resist those in power. I think I know this one. I'd like to sign up for your newsletter. Let's go!

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glimsereply
lemmy.world

People aren't asking who Luigi saved + unproven claim from a random on social media + gotta add a logo to my screenshots of other people saying stuff

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lemmy.ml

So what, you're just whining? Nobody needs individual receipts for stories about insurance being shitty in general or being unusually helpful in the immediate aftermath of the CEO shooting, both extremely well documented phenomena

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glimsereply
lemmy.world

What is there person quoting the tweet adding? Nothing, just adding themselves in for the screenshot. What is the watermark adding? Nothing, just advertising a page

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lemmy.ml

I don't have a clue what that watermark says because it's extremely easy to ignore

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