Rude? To a religion that physically and/or emotionally traps people? Traps them in those specific labyrinthine buildings shown in the speedruns? In out of the way rooms occasionally shown in these speedruns? No, not rude.
My only worry is that Scientology will pull itself out of its own ass and twist the narrative to use this as advertising. Or that some kid will do this alone and never return.
It’s doubtful any kind of increased attention on Scientology will benefit the cult. Too much is already known about them for anyone to take them seriously. In the past, they relied on the public’s lack of knowledge of their inner workings to recruit new members. Today, a quick google will bring up Xenu, Sea Org, harassment campaigns, slavery, the Miscaviges, and South Park. Scientology hasn’t faired well in the Information Age.
sure, it won't help them recruit, but it will help them hold their existing members. when they have evidence of the "persecution" they face it makes it easier for them to discredit the negative info online.
i know for certain that this is at least the Mormon playbook.
You’d think conservative values would lapse in the same way, but they have only been invigorated in the minds of current day youth. Sense and reason can be completely overtaken by emotion. Particularly against an “aggrieved” party like these slimy fucks.
Too much is already known about them for anyone to take them seriously.
Not true, unfortunately.
I was on a bus downtown last week, and they set up a giant red tent labeled
FREE STRESS TEST
And these little old ladies out of town behind me were immediately talking about it. "Oh my, is it a mental health thing? Maybe that's useful."
I hate getting into strangers business, but I forced myself to turn around and say loud enough so everyone on the bus would overhear "No, it's not a 'mental health' thing. It's a cult. Don't go down there."
People underestimate how many susceptible people with no knowledge on the dangers of it still exist. All of them ripe for the picking, as far as they're concerned. Don't just ignore them when you see it, throw their flyers back at them, cuss them out, tell them to be ashamed, make a scene. People around you need to clue into what this shit is. Don't allow them to normalize it.
It took Jews 3000 years to commit a genocide. Laughing at them is only step 1. They only become a respectable religion once they commit their own genocide.
Those “out of control” people are using religion because it’s a powerful tool. They are not “cultists”, odds are they don’t even believe in it. Blame the killer, not the knife.
That’s very different. Bullets are made for killing, it’s their sole purpose.
There are tons of good religious people. Look throughout history and everyone was religious to a certain extent, so are most old people today (depending on where you live ofc, but in rural Quebec I don’t know anyone above 65 that’s not religious). Are you saying all these people are evil, instead of, say, the Pope who called the crusades?
And religion is made to repress and control masses. This evil people are just using religion exactly for what it is designed for: to mind control groups in order to exploit them. If they can use religion even if they personally don't believe in it, it is even worse.
Scientologists are shit, and they DO destroy lives, but at least they didn't hijack the US government to age-gate the internet and funnel tax dollars directly into unconditional support for Israel.
So yes, at least in the case of Christians, "most religious people are out of control cultists" or at least "most religious people belong to organizations that directly feed out of control cultists" is accurate enough to be fair.
You are the problem of the US. Not the maga, not scientologists, not even evangelical christians. These groups are just trying to seize power through people like you. People who are on the edge to hate.
You are the problem of the US. Not the maga, not scientologists, not even evangelical christians. These groups are just trying to seize power through people like you. People who are on the edge to hate.
LOL, someone must feel seen if they think calling out religious people is worse than the goddamned fascists killing people.
Maybe try directing your impotent rage at the people actively fucking up the country?
Cultists generally get mad when called a culstist, especially when you point out that the only difference between a cult and a religion is size and age.
The cult of Christianity has poisoned the world with its mythos, and is worse off for it.
I'm neither religious nor spiritual myself and I'm not trying to defend any religion.
My point is that treating religious people as an outgroup is deeply problematic as you're denying one of the basic behavioral patterns in humanity and in yourself.
I actually just asked Sonic the Hedgehog and he said it's not rude to mock and expose a dangerous cult, and I trust Sonic as an authority on all things pertaining to speed running.
We recently got a wave of new Scientology canvassers up here in Scotland complete with a shady windowless office of theirs downtown and I'm patiently waiting for the day someone hucks a brick through it.
::: spoiler .
I would do it, but still got a couple more years til I get indef leave to remain lol
:::
Funny but bad idea, helps reinforce the cult mentality for the members.
Edit: bad because it reinforces the "world is against us, we have to stick together" mindset that cults will encourage already. I feel sad for the members that are in scientology and other cults/groups that prey on the lonely or gullible.
They're a cult, they're happy to do that themselves, in fact it's their whole thing. If anything, humiliating them in the public like this could make the scientology-curious think twice before deciding to become a member
It’s punching up.
Rude? To a religion that physically and/or emotionally traps people? Traps them in those specific labyrinthine buildings shown in the speedruns? In out of the way rooms occasionally shown in these speedruns? No, not rude.
My only worry is that Scientology will pull itself out of its own ass and twist the narrative to use this as advertising. Or that some kid will do this alone and never return.
It’s doubtful any kind of increased attention on Scientology will benefit the cult. Too much is already known about them for anyone to take them seriously. In the past, they relied on the public’s lack of knowledge of their inner workings to recruit new members. Today, a quick google will bring up Xenu, Sea Org, harassment campaigns, slavery, the Miscaviges, and South Park. Scientology hasn’t faired well in the Information Age.
sure, it won't help them recruit, but it will help them hold their existing members. when they have evidence of the "persecution" they face it makes it easier for them to discredit the negative info online.
i know for certain that this is at least the Mormon playbook.
You’d think conservative values would lapse in the same way, but they have only been invigorated in the minds of current day youth. Sense and reason can be completely overtaken by emotion. Particularly against an “aggrieved” party like these slimy fucks.
Not true, unfortunately.
I was on a bus downtown last week, and they set up a giant red tent labeled
FREE STRESS TEST
And these little old ladies out of town behind me were immediately talking about it. "Oh my, is it a mental health thing? Maybe that's useful."
I hate getting into strangers business, but I forced myself to turn around and say loud enough so everyone on the bus would overhear "No, it's not a 'mental health' thing. It's a cult. Don't go down there."
People underestimate how many susceptible people with no knowledge on the dangers of it still exist. All of them ripe for the picking, as far as they're concerned. Don't just ignore them when you see it, throw their flyers back at them, cuss them out, tell them to be ashamed, make a scene. People around you need to clue into what this shit is. Don't allow them to normalize it.
You’d think a religion invented by a science fiction writer would have anticipated this vulnerability.
It served L Ron’s purposes. He got to live like a king. Now it’s someone else’s problem.
It took Jews 3000 years to commit a genocide. Laughing at them is only step 1. They only become a respectable religion once they commit their own genocide.
What the fuck?
If there's a question, you'd have to be more specific.
why are you racist?
Which race?
why are you playing dumb?
Lmaooooo, I was trying to figure out what people were talking about with "speedruns"
These kids are speedrunning joining and filming it?? Lmfaooo
Edit: Nvm I just saw the wikipedia link, somehow that's even better hahaha
Joining, even jokingly, would be dangerous. I do not recommend doing so. They restrain and isolate new converts when they can.
Have ex military join and have them bring a knife. I would love to see them try and restrain and isolate me.
They're also remarkably litigious, with armies of lawyers. If you got into a physical altercation you'd probably end up convicted of assault.
That's why you and all your speedrunners are recording.
I'm happy to see the kids carrying on the ancient traditions, I look forward to your Occupy Wall Street.
out-of-control cultists
That's what I call most religious people.
Lemmy users are so one-dimensional.
Those “out of control” people are using religion because it’s a powerful tool. They are not “cultists”, odds are they don’t even believe in it. Blame the killer, not the knife.
Is that “bullet don't kill people, people kill people” but for religion? Lol.
Wait, you are serious? let me laugh harder. Hahahahaha!
That’s very different. Bullets are made for killing, it’s their sole purpose.
There are tons of good religious people. Look throughout history and everyone was religious to a certain extent, so are most old people today (depending on where you live ofc, but in rural Quebec I don’t know anyone above 65 that’s not religious). Are you saying all these people are evil, instead of, say, the Pope who called the crusades?
And religion is made to repress and control masses. This evil people are just using religion exactly for what it is designed for: to mind control groups in order to exploit them. If they can use religion even if they personally don't believe in it, it is even worse.
Then blame religion, or its leaders, not the poor fools who didn’t know any better.
I am, never once have I ever mentioned or blamed believers.
Hey there, you. Yes, you. Fuck you
I thought I would grow out of that edgy take but what can I say, it stuck.
Scientologists are shit, and they DO destroy lives, but at least they didn't hijack the US government to age-gate the internet and funnel tax dollars directly into unconditional support for Israel.
So yes, at least in the case of Christians, "most religious people are out of control cultists" or at least "most religious people belong to organizations that directly feed out of control cultists" is accurate enough to be fair.
Scientology actually did infiltrate and hijack parts of the US government in Operation Snow White.
You are the problem of the US. Not the maga, not scientologists, not even evangelical christians. These groups are just trying to seize power through people like you. People who are on the edge to hate.
Genuinely fuck you too.
LOL, someone must feel seen if they think calling out religious people is worse than the goddamned fascists killing people.
Maybe try directing your impotent rage at the people actively fucking up the country?
Tomato, tomato.
And a very happy May the 4th to you too, buddy.
There will always be “people on the edge” for evangelical Christians to hate, no matter how much we coddle them.
You're not gonna start burning books about them, are you?
Cultists generally get mad when called a culstist, especially when you point out that the only difference between a cult and a religion is size and age.
The cult of Christianity has poisoned the world with its mythos, and is worse off for it.
Oh, you're a reformed cultist? That'd give in some REALLY interesting stories. Try opening an AMA or telling about it on PeerTube, maybe?
Why, reformed
christianscultists are a dime a dozenHey, fuck you too buddy. Your religion is evil and so are its devout rubes.
I'm neither religious nor spiritual myself and I'm not trying to defend any religion.
My point is that treating religious people as an outgroup is deeply problematic as you're denying one of the basic behavioral patterns in humanity and in yourself.
MAGA, Zionists, Islamists, Scientologists. It's impossible to tell who you are referring to.
tax churches. they'd all die off
That or tax them for undeveloped land. Half of them are just sitting on acres and acres here in the Midwest.
All religions are cult, the verbage just depends on the number of members.
Yeah look at the shit Scientology is actively pulling
Not how BITE typology works
Not how argument works
Scientology is a grift, do not feel sad for the grifters.
These speedruns are my fave social media trend. It's so ridiculous and the energy is great
I actually just asked Sonic the Hedgehog and he said it's not rude to mock and expose a dangerous cult, and I trust Sonic as an authority on all things pertaining to speed running.
I trust what you said because it was in text format and when ideas are in text, their credibility skyrockets.
Someone needs to inform these kids about the Clam Engram, and how to restimulate it with a simple hand gesture.
Amazing. Thanks for sharing this.
It's a rite of passage lol
We recently got a wave of new Scientology canvassers up here in Scotland complete with a shady windowless office of theirs downtown and I'm patiently waiting for the day someone hucks a brick through it.
::: spoiler .
I would do it, but still got a couple more years til I get indef leave to remain lol :::
Without windows hucking a brick through it would be a pretty impressive feat.
What city is that?
Finally putting their efforts towards noble causes. I support them.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Xf-47O9qWt0
Unfortunately, all this speedrun publicity appears to be accelerating membership for scientology
Cults don't necessarily work like we expect them to
Deserved, TBH.
2026 is all about cat grooming videos.
Next do the Granite Mountain Records Vault!
out-of-control kids
Funny but bad idea, helps reinforce the cult mentality for the members.
Edit: bad because it reinforces the "world is against us, we have to stick together" mindset that cults will encourage already. I feel sad for the members that are in scientology and other cults/groups that prey on the lonely or gullible.
“Random kids running through our building? Glad I’m in a cult!”
Totally checks out
They're in a cult, it doesn't have to check out. Sadly -.-
They're a cult, they're happy to do that themselves, in fact it's their whole thing. If anything, humiliating them in the public like this could make the scientology-curious think twice before deciding to become a member
There's really not a good way to reach out to current members. Hopefully this will weaken appeal and influence on out members.
Okay but what if we really were against them? Wouldnt that be cool?