Black is OP. Get gifted a piece of clothing in non-black? No biggie, will fit with literally the entire rest of your wardrobe, because everything else is black, and black goes with everything.
Just look! This is what the liberals want, for all men to prance around in dresses! No respect for baby jeebuz and sky daddy's wishes at all. Despicable!
As a left wing man who wears skirts in the summer time... Not sarcastically I do want men to be able to prance around in dresses if they want to. Remove the shame of wearing fucking clothes.
I think it's a bit harsh to call someone transphobic for not understanding something. It's not an integral part of everyone's life, so educate them and be patient with them. If they want to learn more about the differences that's already a great thing.
tbf its not transphobic to be confused. i understand how it can be confusing with ladyboys, femboys, tomboys, transfems, transmascs, cds, etc. and all their differences and nuances
I remember reading a story about a guy who dressed up in his mom's clothes to pretend he was her as a child. He did not grow up to be trans or gay, he just wanted to cosplay as a person he loved and admired. They just laughted it off. It is insane that I similar stories where parents will punish kid for similar behavior.
I can remember being interested in wearing feminine clothing and even makeup as a child and teenager. At some point I had online friends who were transgender and they kind of pushed the idea that maybe I was trans too (no hate to them, they were teenagers too and probably just excited), but no, still definitely a dude. It's just fun to try different things!
Yup. That's pretty much me. I'm in my late 30s and as a kid I didn't really dress up much but for some reason I could walk in heels like no ones business.
Always been kind of curious around that stuff, and wasn't quite sure where I fell in the spectrum. But now that I'm married to an enby, and have a girlfriend who's trans, it's quite apparent to me I am anything but trans. Just a pan/poly dude who leans fem. I wear ankle long skirts in the summer time because they're far more comfortable than pants (And they look good too).
Clothing is not gendered. Just because you like wearing clothes that are "intended" for the other gender doesn't change you as a person. Just because I like wearing skirts because I got a lot going on down there and I like the room doesn't make me any less of a man.
Not exactly the same thing, but I unwillingly was dressed up like a girl because my older sister thought it was hilarious to use me as a doll apparently. She was right (even though I didn't think so at the time) and we still laugh about it 40 years later. People need to get over this silly fear.
I don't currently identify as trans, but when I was a kid I did have a phase of wanting to cross-dress and pretend to be a girl. I was orphan annie for halloween one year. My mom curled my hair. 👍
My son likes having his nails painted and when he's putting on a costume, he'll sometimes go for a dress. Does this mean he's trans? Of course not. He's just a kid and he does whatever makes him happy.
As a centrist kind of non-woke person, if I see my son playing with dresses, I go "oh, cool" and move on. Not worth making a fuss about in any direction.
My first son (biologically) turned out to be a trans, and never exhibited any clues towards it before leaping out of the closet as an older teenager.
Easiest comics in existence to produce. Just say something we agree with, no need to be funny or clever. People upvote because they agree with the message regardless of whether its any good as a comic (it's not).
Trans women are women, Republicans are ghouls, etc, but these comics feel so lazy.
She's a woman on the internet, so already a bad start. At some point she had a mental breakdown from all the harassment and threatened dmca or something else (I'm fuzzy on the details) against her harassers. This pissed off a lot of people and the internet never forgives. Whether or not her actions were justified and my opinions on the matter are both beyond the scope of this comment.
So anyone defending pizzacake gets accused of being a white knight. Those exist, sure, but you can also just see the harassment and come to the reasonable conclusion that's not right.
Furthermore, anyone criticizing her gets labeled as a misogynist. This is perfectly understandable, outright misogyny will get you banned so instead they just repeatedly insist on reasonably sounding complaints. It's impossible to tell the difference between someone who's actually a critic vs someone who just hates pizzacake for being a woman with opinions. To keep going, the overwhelming consensus here is that people would rather see shitty napkin drawings over ai "art". Funhole looks like ass, but people (myself included) love it. But for some reason all these people celebrating shitty comics and bad but human made art are silent when it comes to pizzacake, and instead everything she does is "lazy" and "uninspired" and "poorly drawn".
So anyone defending pizzacake gets accused of being a white knight. Those exist, sure, but you can also just see the harassment and come to the reasonable conclusion that’s not right.
Right? I actively defend PC because I just genuinely enjoy her comics.
The consensus is we would rather see clever jokes or commentary with bad art, than mediocre, by the numbers content with decent art. XKCD is a great example of the former, an extremely intelligent, funny and creative person, who draws stick figures.
Pizzacake is the exact opposite, by the numbers jokes and social commentary, and a decent, if rather bland, art style.
I don't think you're "wrong" but I didn't think that's the creators intention. I think they are just trying to get across that instead of dumping on someone because of how they feel, you can just embrace it and even include humor.
Why shouldn't we point out shameless grifting? She's a Canadian who pumps out comics about American politics. And these comics are so popular they're damn near unavoidable.
Downvote and move on.
The same applies to you. People are annoyed that this blatant strategy is succeeding while more deserving artist struggle to make it. You don't like people criticizing Pizzacake for doing so. We're all expressing opinions on a forum, nothing wrong with that.
Residents of other countries criticising American politics is entirely acceptable, given their massive influence on the global stage. My fucking fuel prices are obscene at the moment, and that’s a direct result of the current regime’s arrogance and incompetence. And my gripe is absolutely trivial compared to many other less fortunate recipients of US foreign policy.
I’ll take a simple protest comic over the latest bullshit headline coming from that shithole country every day of the week.
I agree, other people can and should criticize America. But that's all she does. She doesn't make any comics about Canadian politics, presumably because they don't get the same traction. It's a grift. Which might be fine if her comics were of good quality. But most of them read like this:
Surely there are more clever ways to mock Trump/Elon/MAGA, etc. It would be great if we stopped supporting slop just because we agree with the message.
This argument is blatantly fallacious. If Alex Jones thinks the government is filled with pedophiles, the fact that he's an idiot doesn't make him wrong on that point: it damn sure doesn't make everyone who agrees with Alex wrong. This is a guilty by association fallacy, a type of ad hominem.
The fact that people are upvoting your ad hominem because it confirms their previously held opinion is, ironically, the exact complaint I had about Pizzacake comics. No one cares about whether it's a good argument/comic, they will upvote regardless.
In which case I'm wasting my time. These comments are just a popularity contest for opinions, no one cares about the substance.
Ultimately you’re attacking a person who puts out content supporting human rights, which is why the best criticism you could muster was from a neo nazi.
Okay, so we should be distrustful of pizzacake in general because her work is popular and relevant to a country she lives 75 miles away from. And this is not fallacious.
But when it comes to literal self proclaimed white supremacists who makes comics where the punchline is “n____”, we have to give each and every argument they make the benefit of the doubt because ultimately someone’s credibility in general cannot ever be used to judge their stance on individual topics?
Edit: so bro posts open and self admitted nazi propaganda and instantly blocks anyone who thinks that isn’t totally irrelevant. Curious
But that’s all she does. She doesn’t make any comics about Canadian politics, presumably because they don’t get the same traction. It’s a grift.
So... The comic that is posted for this comment chain is about American politics? A kid dressing up in a dress and his mom suggesting a different colour... How is that about American politics?
Garfield is a famous example of being at least equally guilty of the things that user claims to be complaining about, yet he chooses to criticize this instead of that. It makes one wonder if he's being honest about his motives, or if there's some other reason Pizza Cake particularly bothers him.
I mean, the only Garfield adjacent art I will actually ever enjoy is the surreal Garfield Without Garfield strip or the Gothfield meme that came about a while back.
I mean, yeah, the expectation being subverted is the bigoted parent assumption, which is overdone, but the joke is still funny. And honestly, the fact that we can look at something like this and Immediately assume that the parent isn't bigoted means that overdoing it is making acceptance the norm in media, at least in spaces like these, which is helpful. The more we depict people being accepting of themselves and their loved ones, the better.
Yeah, for some reason there's some real moral outrage required specifically for pizzacake. It's not enough to dislike her comic but it seems like they need to vice signal as well.
Positive messaging is great, that's not really the point. To reiterate: her comics are lazy as fuck.
We can praise the message of the comic while still criticizing it according to the standards of the art form. Maybe if these comics were less successful she would be forced to improve as a comic artist.
Just out of curiosity, what comic isn't lazy to you? Garfield has been around forever and he just eats lasagna and hates Mondays, that has less going on than these comics
Yeah, when did it become necessary for a comic to be more than that? When I was a kid at the library I'd always immediately go to the comics section to see if there was a Garfield book I hadn't read yet - they're great. Comics can have a deep message if the author wants them to, but the idea that they're required to is kinda ridiculous. They're just meant to be something to get a little chuckle out of the reader, like a dumb dad joke or a pun.
These artists have something to say and can draw (with the exception of xkcd). There are so many examples of quality comics but you people keep upvoting slop. Yes, I am complaining about it because I actually give a shit about the medium.
Couldn't you just, like... read something else though? Clearly these comics have an audience that appreciates them, and you're not in it, and that's okay. Pizza Cake's comics aren't doing any harm to the medium; all those comics you mentioned are still out there for you and everyone else to enjoy, no one is taking that away from you. It's not some great shame to the art of comics for Pizza Cake's content to just exist.
Like, I love reading books, but I'm not a fan of sappy romance novels. But I'd never suggest that people writing sappy romance novels are diminishing the medium; I just ignore them and move on with my life.
Politely telling someone to fuck off if they don't like it is a comforting thing to do, but is still about the weakest defense to criticism I could think of.
Xkcd is the anti-pizzacake. Brilliant, funny, and intelligent comics, with an art style defined by his artistic ability. Pizzacake has a decent art style, but I'm pretty sure she gets all her comic ideas from Reddit.
I get that feeling from 90% of this artist's comics, but this one actually made me chuckle. More importantly, I shared it with my mom and it made her chuckle. She is not as accepting of LGBT+ as one might hope, so this was not a given.
It has all the elements of a joke, most importantly subversion of expectations. I'll give this one a pass. Save your rant for the next comic ;)
If it's such an easy comic to produce, why don't you go make it then? Clearly people here like it as this post has many upvotes, and if there's nothing special about this comic yours should do just as well right?
I think it would be a better use of your time to do literally anything other than whinge in the comments on a clearly popular thing that you don't particularly care for.
"I wanna be a BEAUTIFUL LADY mom, not some scarlet skank!"
I dont care what season I am I'm going to wear black because I love it 😖
Black is OP. Get gifted a piece of clothing in non-black? No biggie, will fit with literally the entire rest of your wardrobe, because everything else is black, and black goes with everything.
Everything except a slightly different black.
And sometimes very, very dark grey.
That's called texture
Just look! This is what the liberals want, for all men to prance around in dresses! No respect for baby jeebuz and sky daddy's wishes at all. Despicable!
/s
Oh yes, those terrible womanly dres… oh wait
Why does that doctor have a mullet?
Of course I know Jesus was white, but TIL he was blonde
/s
As a left wing man who wears skirts in the summer time... Not sarcastically I do want men to be able to prance around in dresses if they want to. Remove the shame of wearing fucking clothes.
transphobes will likely confuse cross-dressing with being trans too.
I think it's a bit harsh to call someone transphobic for not understanding something. It's not an integral part of everyone's life, so educate them and be patient with them. If they want to learn more about the differences that's already a great thing.
tbf its not transphobic to be confused. i understand how it can be confusing with ladyboys, femboys, tomboys, transfems, transmascs, cds, etc. and all their differences and nuances
To be confused that requires them to try to think about it outside of them watching porn
I remember reading a story about a guy who dressed up in his mom's clothes to pretend he was her as a child. He did not grow up to be trans or gay, he just wanted to cosplay as a person he loved and admired. They just laughted it off. It is insane that I similar stories where parents will punish kid for similar behavior.
I can remember being interested in wearing feminine clothing and even makeup as a child and teenager. At some point I had online friends who were transgender and they kind of pushed the idea that maybe I was trans too (no hate to them, they were teenagers too and probably just excited), but no, still definitely a dude. It's just fun to try different things!
Yup. That's pretty much me. I'm in my late 30s and as a kid I didn't really dress up much but for some reason I could walk in heels like no ones business.
Always been kind of curious around that stuff, and wasn't quite sure where I fell in the spectrum. But now that I'm married to an enby, and have a girlfriend who's trans, it's quite apparent to me I am anything but trans. Just a pan/poly dude who leans fem. I wear ankle long skirts in the summer time because they're far more comfortable than pants (And they look good too).
Clothing is not gendered. Just because you like wearing clothes that are "intended" for the other gender doesn't change you as a person. Just because I like wearing skirts because I got a lot going on down there and I like the room doesn't make me any less of a man.
Not exactly the same thing, but I unwillingly was dressed up like a girl because my older sister thought it was hilarious to use me as a doll apparently. She was right (even though I didn't think so at the time) and we still laugh about it 40 years later. People need to get over this silly fear.
I'm sure I'll be seeing this reposted in the chud-o-sphere.
This comic is several months old. If you didn't see it there yet, you probably aren't going to see it.
I don't currently identify as trans, but when I was a kid I did have a phase of wanting to cross-dress and pretend to be a girl. I was orphan annie for halloween one year. My mom curled my hair. 👍
My son likes having his nails painted and when he's putting on a costume, he'll sometimes go for a dress. Does this mean he's trans? Of course not. He's just a kid and he does whatever makes him happy.
It's a harsh lesson that some of us have to learn. Bright colors just don't look good on everyone, some of us need to stick to jewel tones
As a centrist kind of non-woke person, if I see my son playing with dresses, I go "oh, cool" and move on. Not worth making a fuss about in any direction.
My first son (biologically) turned out to be a trans, and never exhibited any clues towards it before leaping out of the closet as an older teenager.
Thanks for posting PC! Will you also post Hollering Elk pretty please?!
Easiest comics in existence to produce. Just say something we agree with, no need to be funny or clever. People upvote because they agree with the message regardless of whether its any good as a comic (it's not).
Trans women are women, Republicans are ghouls, etc, but these comics feel so lazy.
Downvote and move on. I'm trying to figure out why so many people are actively campaigning against this artist.
She's a woman on the internet, so already a bad start. At some point she had a mental breakdown from all the harassment and threatened dmca or something else (I'm fuzzy on the details) against her harassers. This pissed off a lot of people and the internet never forgives. Whether or not her actions were justified and my opinions on the matter are both beyond the scope of this comment.
So anyone defending pizzacake gets accused of being a white knight. Those exist, sure, but you can also just see the harassment and come to the reasonable conclusion that's not right.
Furthermore, anyone criticizing her gets labeled as a misogynist. This is perfectly understandable, outright misogyny will get you banned so instead they just repeatedly insist on reasonably sounding complaints. It's impossible to tell the difference between someone who's actually a critic vs someone who just hates pizzacake for being a woman with opinions. To keep going, the overwhelming consensus here is that people would rather see shitty napkin drawings over ai "art". Funhole looks like ass, but people (myself included) love it. But for some reason all these people celebrating shitty comics and bad but human made art are silent when it comes to pizzacake, and instead everything she does is "lazy" and "uninspired" and "poorly drawn".
I think that about covers it, more or less.
funhole does not look like ass take it back 🥺
Right? I actively defend PC because I just genuinely enjoy her comics.
And she's a fellow Nova Scotian.
The consensus is we would rather see clever jokes or commentary with bad art, than mediocre, by the numbers content with decent art. XKCD is a great example of the former, an extremely intelligent, funny and creative person, who draws stick figures.
Pizzacake is the exact opposite, by the numbers jokes and social commentary, and a decent, if rather bland, art style.
Because when someone has nothing else going on in their life, lashing out is easy and gives them a sense of superiority.
Go ahead and chuckle at the irony here lmao
How was my comment "lashing out"? It's a legitimate criticism. And criticizing a comic means I have nothing going on in my life?
Sure buddy, you're not lashing out at all in these comments and it doesn't sound like a person with too much time at all.
Oh the irony
I don't think you're "wrong" but I didn't think that's the creators intention. I think they are just trying to get across that instead of dumping on someone because of how they feel, you can just embrace it and even include humor.
So basically reddit mods 😂 I feel you.
Why shouldn't we point out shameless grifting? She's a Canadian who pumps out comics about American politics. And these comics are so popular they're damn near unavoidable.
The same applies to you. People are annoyed that this blatant strategy is succeeding while more deserving artist struggle to make it. You don't like people criticizing Pizzacake for doing so. We're all expressing opinions on a forum, nothing wrong with that.
Residents of other countries criticising American politics is entirely acceptable, given their massive influence on the global stage. My fucking fuel prices are obscene at the moment, and that’s a direct result of the current regime’s arrogance and incompetence. And my gripe is absolutely trivial compared to many other less fortunate recipients of US foreign policy.
I’ll take a simple protest comic over the latest bullshit headline coming from that shithole country every day of the week.
It's a global passtime.
I agree, other people can and should criticize America. But that's all she does. She doesn't make any comics about Canadian politics, presumably because they don't get the same traction. It's a grift. Which might be fine if her comics were of good quality. But most of them read like this:
Surely there are more clever ways to mock Trump/Elon/MAGA, etc. It would be great if we stopped supporting slop just because we agree with the message.
This Noel de le Pen sure has an interesting body of work.
https://t.me/s/noellepen
Even has a comic showing an interracial couple where a black man is depicted as a gorilla.
Finding common cause with them should tell you something about your stance.
X person sucks so all they say is automatically false?
This argument is blatantly fallacious. If Alex Jones thinks the government is filled with pedophiles, the fact that he's an idiot doesn't make him wrong on that point: it damn sure doesn't make everyone who agrees with Alex wrong. This is a guilty by association fallacy, a type of ad hominem.
The fact that people are upvoting your ad hominem because it confirms their previously held opinion is, ironically, the exact complaint I had about Pizzacake comics. No one cares about whether it's a good argument/comic, they will upvote regardless.
In which case I'm wasting my time. These comments are just a popularity contest for opinions, no one cares about the substance.
Ultimately you’re attacking a person who puts out content supporting human rights, which is why the best criticism you could muster was from a neo nazi.
Okay, so we should be distrustful of pizzacake in general because her work is popular and relevant to a country she lives 75 miles away from. And this is not fallacious.
But when it comes to literal self proclaimed white supremacists who makes comics where the punchline is “n____”, we have to give each and every argument they make the benefit of the doubt because ultimately someone’s credibility in general cannot ever be used to judge their stance on individual topics?
Edit: so bro posts open and self admitted nazi propaganda and instantly blocks anyone who thinks that isn’t totally irrelevant. Curious
Sure, she’s got a niche. There’s plenty of other satire available if you’re not a fan. If it’s a grift, it’s not exactly harmful.
I’ve watched plenty of absolutely basic comedians entertain a crowd in my time, but I don’t wish they were all Stewart Lee.
So like... Do trans people not exist outside the US? The comic the OP posted didn't mention the US.
So... The comic that is posted for this comment chain is about American politics? A kid dressing up in a dress and his mom suggesting a different colour... How is that about American politics?
oh no that one actually hits the nail on the head. That's exactly how these read.
Who are some struggling artists I can follow to help balance that out?
Yeah, this is a much more productive way to equal the playing field than to tear an artist down
Shitting on America is a honorable thing to do no matter the reason.
Shameless grifting? For being Canadian while doing US politics? Pretty sure the internet is full of those.
Go be a negative Nancy somewhere else dude. Cheer up.
Isn't there a Garfield comic somewhere you should be railing against instead?
I don't understand the joke, could you explain?
Garfield is a famous example of being at least equally guilty of the things that user claims to be complaining about, yet he chooses to criticize this instead of that. It makes one wonder if he's being honest about his motives, or if there's some other reason Pizza Cake particularly bothers him.
How often does Garfield get posted?
That is indeed a pretty shit one.
I mean, the only Garfield adjacent art I will actually ever enjoy is the surreal Garfield Without Garfield strip or the Gothfield meme that came about a while back.
Tbh, the last time I saw someone post Garfield on lemmy was.... no idea, too long ago.
About two days ago by my count.
That’s a pretty good description of Garfield.
I mean, yeah, the expectation being subverted is the bigoted parent assumption, which is overdone, but the joke is still funny. And honestly, the fact that we can look at something like this and Immediately assume that the parent isn't bigoted means that overdoing it is making acceptance the norm in media, at least in spaces like these, which is helpful. The more we depict people being accepting of themselves and their loved ones, the better.
It's pizzacake, she gets hate here no matter what she does. Give it a few hours and you'll need a hazmat suit for this comment section.
Yeah, for some reason there's some real moral outrage required specifically for pizzacake. It's not enough to dislike her comic but it seems like they need to vice signal as well.
The truth is lemmy really does have a misogyny problem. The progressive zeitgeist is mostly on economic matters.
Positive messaging is great, that's not really the point. To reiterate: her comics are lazy as fuck.
We can praise the message of the comic while still criticizing it according to the standards of the art form. Maybe if these comics were less successful she would be forced to improve as a comic artist.
Just out of curiosity, what comic isn't lazy to you? Garfield has been around forever and he just eats lasagna and hates Mondays, that has less going on than these comics
Yeah, when did it become necessary for a comic to be more than that? When I was a kid at the library I'd always immediately go to the comics section to see if there was a Garfield book I hadn't read yet - they're great. Comics can have a deep message if the author wants them to, but the idea that they're required to is kinda ridiculous. They're just meant to be something to get a little chuckle out of the reader, like a dumb dad joke or a pun.
Probably unless it's high production like Hollering Elk or something, everything is 'lazy' to them.
Also probably projecting because their stick figure drawings aren't making traction like xkcd does.
I'm glad you asked: Subnormality (Political but actually good), XKCD, Poorly Drawn Lines, Olaf (funny but NSFW), SMBC, Adamtots.
These artists have something to say and can draw (with the exception of xkcd). There are so many examples of quality comics but you people keep upvoting slop. Yes, I am complaining about it because I actually give a shit about the medium.
Couldn't you just, like... read something else though? Clearly these comics have an audience that appreciates them, and you're not in it, and that's okay. Pizza Cake's comics aren't doing any harm to the medium; all those comics you mentioned are still out there for you and everyone else to enjoy, no one is taking that away from you. It's not some great shame to the art of comics for Pizza Cake's content to just exist.
Like, I love reading books, but I'm not a fan of sappy romance novels. But I'd never suggest that people writing sappy romance novels are diminishing the medium; I just ignore them and move on with my life.
Politely telling someone to fuck off if they don't like it is a comforting thing to do, but is still about the weakest defense to criticism I could think of.
Xkcd is the anti-pizzacake. Brilliant, funny, and intelligent comics, with an art style defined by his artistic ability. Pizzacake has a decent art style, but I'm pretty sure she gets all her comic ideas from Reddit.
Show this to any cultist, see if they agree.
Same for you. Stop complaining, enjoy the funny, ignore the rest. People have different tastes.
I get that feeling from 90% of this artist's comics, but this one actually made me chuckle. More importantly, I shared it with my mom and it made her chuckle. She is not as accepting of LGBT+ as one might hope, so this was not a given.
It has all the elements of a joke, most importantly subversion of expectations. I'll give this one a pass. Save your rant for the next comic ;)
If it's such an easy comic to produce, why don't you go make it then? Clearly people here like it as this post has many upvotes, and if there's nothing special about this comic yours should do just as well right?
I think Ben Shapiro is a shameless grifter who only cares about making money. Do you think I should go copy Ben Shapiro?
This argument doesn't make any sense. I don't agree with what Pizzacake's doing, why would I want to do it myself.
you're doing a fine job so far. troll harder!
I think it would be a better use of your time to do literally anything other than whinge in the comments on a clearly popular thing that you don't particularly care for.
We could all be doing better things, but here we are.
Yeah they definitely have a tinge of virtue signaling imo.
But if people enjoy em, who am I to judge.
TIL advocating for human rights is 'virtue signalling'