Besides drug approval, which is not a measurement in itself, I can attest to this.
A large German pharma, has increased their head count from 7 to 40 within a year. They bought a local pharma for 1 billion US dollar and at the same time closed a US facility.
The same goes for many other pharmas. You can say what you want about China, but they are investing heavily in science. Because they believe in science. Unlike the current regime of the US.
Adding green energy at 8x the rate of the USA with a total of 3.89 terawatts, which is 3x larger than the entire USA energy grid, and accounting over 30% of the worlds spending towards green energy while the USA has less than 25% of the grid as green energy
Essentially ending homelessness
A notably lower prison population than the USA despite like 6x the population
A minimum wage set by provinces who are heavily encouraged to give increases every few years tied to inflation and cost of living
Actually working to shift a fee for service healthcare system to a socialized model with significant progress occurring
No airstrikes, bombings of another country, or declared wars since 1979. Even in terms of proxy wars post 1979 has been far more about economic support and diplomacy than shipping weapons
Etc etc but yes Xi and Trump are equivalent because they have a social credit score and government surveillance. That’s definitely not like the America, who has just normal credit scores, palantir, and a large chunk of your tax money funding proxy wars (and now actual war) instead of maintaining critical infrastructure or any quality of life improvements for its people.
China has no social credit score like the western media have you believe. The US has indeed a social credit score, designed to keep the majority of the population poor.
It doesn't, but it has an unapologetic mass surveillance. In China, you use apps on your phone for absolutely everything and anything: all payments, use of public transport, shared bikes, ordering food, etc.
If you say something wrong, or if you're just in a group chat where someone repeatedly say the wrong thing, your account can be suspended and suddenly you can't do shit for several days. That keeps people in line, or they find other tricks to communicate, like swapping key words to trick the algorithms, or use VPN, though it's also forbidden.
China has no social credit score like the western media have you believe. The US has indeed a social credit score, designed to keep the majority of the population poor.
Both suck but in different ways, meaning that there are lots of ways in which China is better than the USA and lots of ways in which the USA is better than China.
Politics is multifaceted, "better" depends on many things and is not a very good general descriptor.
Eh, ymmv. Did you know they defunded BioNTech? The developers of what is now the Pfizer Covid vaccine? Covid vaccine research is desperately needed (see vaccine injury) but there is no funding.
Many EU countries are defunding science. Being a researcher is an absolute nightmare. Brussels is receiving tons more applications for funding because researchers aren't getting money from their own government anymore. University departments are being shut down.
People who have been doing scientific and medical research for decades are finding themselves on the streets.
BioNTech is definitely not defunded in China.
Besides BioNTech, there are more local pharmas working on mRNA.
BioNTech have a license / working agreement with BMS worth 2 billion dollars mainly for a mRNA cancer vaccine. Mostly handled in China - again. Because in the US as a scientist you'll be defunded if you use the word mRNA in your documentation.
It is generally fucking nuts to block what could be one of the major cancer treatments of the near future.
The last thing I heard about Biontech is that the couple founding the company got crazy rich, figured out they don't like being CEOs of a large company, and founded another small research lab with their money.
Besides, it is a private company, sure, they got government grants and funding especially during Corona, but I don't think we should give random companies fucktons of tax money in normal circumstances. At least not while we're doing the whole market economy capitalism thing.
That does not mean that science funding isn't getting cut, I am still a bit salty that it removed my chances of getting a phd. Fighter jets and tanks aren't free, and neither is pissing billions into the wind because you refuse to persecute fraudsters.
Was about to make a similar comment lol, you beat me to it. So wild, who in there right mind would say to themselves “I’m gonna cut off that dead raccoons penis for research, ya research “
It's so so much better when you see the full quote. He thought he was the normal one in his family lol. Keep in mind this is his own words from his diary.
“I was standing in front of my parked car on I-684 cutting the penis out of a road killed raccoon, thinking about how weird some of my family members have turned out to be."
Is he not directly responsible for defunding a lot of the research and programs that would have helped here? Weird that Captain All-Natural cares about having less drugs than China.
Drug research and development takes decades until final approval. If there is a decrease in the US (or an increase in China), you need to look for cuts (or additional investments) in the early 2000s.
The damage this idiot has done will not be visible for quite some time...
Again though, he cut programs that were in motion so as far as we know stuff could have been decently close and is gone now. Also important is the fact that he’s literally a guy who constantly talks and act like prescription drugs are evil and yet is using China having more of them as a good thing for them and a bad thing for his country.
The regime cannot fail, it can only be failed. Those scientists were supposed to do their job of finding evidence for whatever possibly non-metaphorical bug RFK Jr has up his ass on a given day. 🙄
“I want to take this opportunity to encourage our scientists to invest more research into the fascinating field of Raccoon penis. I’ll gladly share my findings.”
When are you going to realise they are completely self aware, completely disingenuous, and speak to gain power or achieve objectives rather than make a coherent point.
For the record, I fully do not believe that RFK Jr. is remotely self-aware, nor is Trump for that matter. There absolutely are self-aware individuals in the administration who are as you describe, no doubt, but I do not believe those two are among them.
I dont understand why people keep underestimating them. This is all a song and dance to keep their base happy and everyone thinking they're stupid. Ever wonder why they keep winning, even though everyone calls thethem stupid? Never underestimate your enemy.
One of the highest positions in the US and absolute carte blanche to implement whatever whacked out health shit he wants. Probably the most fun hes ever had.
As one of the people who lost their job, doing important & worthwhile work, directly due to the funding cuts of this current administration, I only have a few words: FUCK YOU okay that's two. So, let's add PEDOPHILES to the end. FUCK YOU PEDOPHILES.
Sheesh, these Godless commies, judicially executing someone for corruption? In Maga America they extra judicially execute you for being brown/at a protest as god intended.
It's so weird watching the cognitively impaired elderly because they say 98% random left field nonsense and then the fucking 2% profound revelation statements.
Here in Australia our servos (seppo: gas stations) sell this little plastic flags that clip on to your window or door frame. Dickheads can easily self identify by attaching two of these to their fucktard conveyance machine.
I'm sorry to tell you that toxic patriotism technologies have progressed beyond flags in the backs of pickup trucks.
It is indeed not the current administration that led to this.
It certainly won't help but that is not the cause, neither is the 2008 one.
China has been advancing in plenty fields for a few decades now.
They have already caught up or surpassed others in plenty fields.
Americans are clinging to their USA nr 1 mantra, but that's delusional.
They refuse to accept to the fact they already have been beaten and there is nothing they can do about it.
Despite banning and sanctions China has a massive lead in nearly all crucial tech fields.
The gap will only become bigger.
The funniest thing is that all the while China is the largest creditor of USA by far, and USA has had foreign investment pouring in overall all those decades.
USA had the money not just to maintain but rapidly advance, and a head start. To bite the dust in this situation is some serious incompetence.
It wouldn't be this bad but they would've lost either way.
China has 4x the population.
They can spend more money from their healthy economy while the US is declining.
RFK Jr would like to remove scientific scrutiny from the drug approval process, which is the agenda of pharma companies. He's already been successful with this in the med device space using the same argument.
I'm sorry, you have misunderstood his words, he doesn't want better drugs or safer drugs, he wants more drugs approved, fewer hurdles to sell his buddies snake oil
This is the point everyone misses. Hes not asking for more medical research to be done, hes asking for the standards for approval to be lowered or eliminated.
First comparing anything to the USA is a pretty low bar. Second when it comes to issues that affect health trending is great but it's not as important as the current conditions when it comes to traveling to or living in a place. Our lives are too short to accept 'trending' for these kinds of issues.
The trend is what matters. China: electrification is going so fast it's hard to follow. Pollution is going down very fast. The USA: cancel all plan to promote EVs and weaken regulation on gas cars: pollution is to go up. And that's not including public transportation offset on the cars density, where China is basically 40 years ahead…
The cross-point on air quality might be much closer than you think.
Is it though? Have you been there or lived in a place with high smog and low air quality? Do you or your child have asthma? I made the comment simply as a note of the current condition - you sometimes literally can have a hard time seeing the city skyline in Beijing and I've never been to places like Hotan and other more industrial areas where it is worse.
Living or even visiting a place and saying it's the trend that matters sounds like politician speak. Tell that to your lungs and brain while you sit in the pollution.
I lived in China for 6 years. I experienced smogs dense enough you couldn't see a building 10m away.
I've been travelling to Shanghai on several occasions and went there again last year.
The improvement now vs 10years ago is dramatic! I'm not saying it's all fine, but I will say this: now I live in Canada (Québec) and forest fires make the air here worse than what it is in Shanghai on a regular basis.
I think covid might have put a pin in anyone planning to try to take the world using a virus. Two main problems:
Once the virus is out in the wild, it is out of anyone's control. It will evolve in whatever direction it will. Maybe it will escape the vaccines developed to keep their side alive. Maybe it will just become less deadly before it kills off enough people to collapse the enemy's base.
It looks like our immune systems are pretty good actually and those who get sick might just be the tip of the iceberg while most of the population gets immunity from asymptomatic infection.
These two items work against each other. If you try to make a virus that will infect the entire herd, it might be more likely to also be able to attack you regardless of what vaccines you have. If you try to make a virus that won't be able to escape your vaccine's immunity, then the herd might just develop immunity themselves and the virus dies out after only killing a small portion of the population.
So given that, I don't think a weaponized virus is an effective tool to eliminate enemies with because it's both too risky and too unreliable.
FAKE NEWS MEDIA won’t tell you this, but GREAT American Scientists just CRUSHED the number of DEADLY DRUGS pouring into OUR Country! DOWN BIG LEAGUE! China, you POISONOUS SCUMBAGS, STOP making your NEW KILLER DRUGS and MURDERING our Precious CHILDREN! We’re WINNING like NEVER BEFORE! MAKE AMERICA HEALTHY AGAIN! 🇺🇸
mr wormbrain distraction for trump. notice he was eerily absent in the news when all that ice, iran attack was happening, and now that is likely is "blown over",.
The post above this in my feed is about how he rejects germ theory, so why the hell does he care about pharmaceutical drugs? If all diseases are caused by diet and "imbalances" why would we need any drugs?
Interesting, what would People for Ethical Treatment of Animals say about it? AFAIK, they have great success in stopping animal experiments... #vegans, comment please
Besides drug approval, which is not a measurement in itself, I can attest to this. A large German pharma, has increased their head count from 7 to 40 within a year. They bought a local pharma for 1 billion US dollar and at the same time closed a US facility. The same goes for many other pharmas. You can say what you want about China, but they are investing heavily in science. Because they believe in science. Unlike the current regime of the US.
Canada is hiring American doctors left right and center.
No, we are not. Canadian healthcare is provincial and underfunded by Conservative governments. Also, US medical licenses aren't worth shit in Canada.
I still don't really trust China, it's more reliable than the US regime (minus Democratic areas) rn, but still, that's a low bar.
I'm sure they will carry on the world hegemon tradition of being generally contemptible.
Xi is no better than Trump.
Adding green energy at 8x the rate of the USA with a total of 3.89 terawatts, which is 3x larger than the entire USA energy grid, and accounting over 30% of the worlds spending towards green energy while the USA has less than 25% of the grid as green energy
Essentially ending homelessness
A notably lower prison population than the USA despite like 6x the population
A minimum wage set by provinces who are heavily encouraged to give increases every few years tied to inflation and cost of living
Actually working to shift a fee for service healthcare system to a socialized model with significant progress occurring
No airstrikes, bombings of another country, or declared wars since 1979. Even in terms of proxy wars post 1979 has been far more about economic support and diplomacy than shipping weapons
Etc etc but yes Xi and Trump are equivalent because they have a social credit score and government surveillance. That’s definitely not like the America, who has just normal credit scores, palantir, and a large chunk of your tax money funding proxy wars (and now actual war) instead of maintaining critical infrastructure or any quality of life improvements for its people.
China has no social credit score like the western media have you believe. The US has indeed a social credit score, designed to keep the majority of the population poor.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-china-changing-its-social-credit-system-11079499
It doesn't, but it has an unapologetic mass surveillance. In China, you use apps on your phone for absolutely everything and anything: all payments, use of public transport, shared bikes, ordering food, etc.
If you say something wrong, or if you're just in a group chat where someone repeatedly say the wrong thing, your account can be suspended and suddenly you can't do shit for several days. That keeps people in line, or they find other tricks to communicate, like swapping key words to trick the algorithms, or use VPN, though it's also forbidden.
China has no social credit score like the western media have you believe. The US has indeed a social credit score, designed to keep the majority of the population poor.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-china-changing-its-social-credit-system-11079499
Xi is more competent than Trump. But just as evil.
On what basis exactly are you making such a wild claim?
Both suck but in different ways, meaning that there are lots of ways in which China is better than the USA and lots of ways in which the USA is better than China.
Politics is multifaceted, "better" depends on many things and is not a very good general descriptor.
Eh, ymmv. Did you know they defunded BioNTech? The developers of what is now the Pfizer Covid vaccine? Covid vaccine research is desperately needed (see vaccine injury) but there is no funding.
Many EU countries are defunding science. Being a researcher is an absolute nightmare. Brussels is receiving tons more applications for funding because researchers aren't getting money from their own government anymore. University departments are being shut down.
People who have been doing scientific and medical research for decades are finding themselves on the streets.
BioNTech is definitely not defunded in China. Besides BioNTech, there are more local pharmas working on mRNA. BioNTech have a license / working agreement with BMS worth 2 billion dollars mainly for a mRNA cancer vaccine. Mostly handled in China - again. Because in the US as a scientist you'll be defunded if you use the word mRNA in your documentation.
It is generally fucking nuts to block what could be one of the major cancer treatments of the near future.
The last thing I heard about Biontech is that the couple founding the company got crazy rich, figured out they don't like being CEOs of a large company, and founded another small research lab with their money.
Besides, it is a private company, sure, they got government grants and funding especially during Corona, but I don't think we should give random companies fucktons of tax money in normal circumstances. At least not while we're doing the whole market economy capitalism thing.
That does not mean that science funding isn't getting cut, I am still a bit salty that it removed my chances of getting a phd. Fighter jets and tanks aren't free, and neither is pissing billions into the wind because you refuse to persecute fraudsters.
It's so fun looking for work now after a career in vaccine and cancer therapy development.
?
"we're all looking for the guy who did this"
Lmao thanks for the laughs
You should watch the whole show (I Think you Should Leave) if you haven't, it's hilarious.
Thanks!
Know your meme hot dog guy
Thanks!
That's so unexpected and weird, did the severed dead raccoon penis not help at all??
Was about to make a similar comment lol, you beat me to it. So wild, who in there right mind would say to themselves “I’m gonna cut off that dead raccoons penis for research, ya research “
It's so so much better when you see the full quote. He thought he was the normal one in his family lol. Keep in mind this is his own words from his diary.
I hate whoever got themselves cursed with such interesting times because what the fuck is even happening anymore
The brain worm may have shifted, thus allowing neurons to connect again.
Is he not directly responsible for defunding a lot of the research and programs that would have helped here? Weird that Captain All-Natural cares about having less drugs than China.
Yes, but that's entirely missing the point here.
Drug research and development takes decades until final approval. If there is a decrease in the US (or an increase in China), you need to look for cuts (or additional investments) in the early 2000s.
The damage this idiot has done will not be visible for quite some time...
Again though, he cut programs that were in motion so as far as we know stuff could have been decently close and is gone now. Also important is the fact that he’s literally a guy who constantly talks and act like prescription drugs are evil and yet is using China having more of them as a good thing for them and a bad thing for his country.
They cut off funding for projects at all levels of completion. Who knows how much recent shit they killed
This dude thinks aspirin causes autism but then complains we're not approving enough drugs. That tapeworm really did a number on this guy.
Axchually he said it's acetaminophen what somehow causes autism
Then he said it didn't.
So much accomplished.
You joke, but I wonder how much money was made by trading on that info
I wonder how many babies will have to suffer through potentially damaging fevers due to this fear being in the minds of pregnant humans.
The regime cannot fail, it can only be failed. Those scientists were supposed to do their job of finding evidence for whatever possibly non-metaphorical bug RFK Jr has up his ass on a given day. 🙄
Cancer mad it's killing the host.
“I want to take this opportunity to encourage our scientists to invest more research into the fascinating field of Raccoon penis. I’ll gladly share my findings.”
I hear they are pumping more money into roadkill extract for curing autism.
Raccoonpenitol. Ask your doctor if it is right for you.
These people have the self awareness of a rock.
They also believe a rock can think like a human so...
Even trillions of dollars has yet to make the rocks actually think yet.
We have thinking sand. Pretty damn close to rocks tbh
When are you going to realise they are completely self aware, completely disingenuous, and speak to gain power or achieve objectives rather than make a coherent point.
For the record, I fully do not believe that RFK Jr. is remotely self-aware, nor is Trump for that matter. There absolutely are self-aware individuals in the administration who are as you describe, no doubt, but I do not believe those two are among them.
I dont understand why people keep underestimating them. This is all a song and dance to keep their base happy and everyone thinking they're stupid. Ever wonder why they keep winning, even though everyone calls thethem stupid? Never underestimate your enemy.
Sorry, wtf has RFK Jr. won?
One of the highest positions in the US and absolute carte blanche to implement whatever whacked out health shit he wants. Probably the most fun hes ever had.
So you're talking out of your ass. Got it.
You are blind to what is in front of you.
I FIRED all our Scientists and DEFUNDED all our Research because I THOUGHT it would IMPROVE our Research Capabilities!
-NOT DEI hires!
Everyone in the administration is a DEI hire. Drunken Entitled Idiots.
LOL. This cunt shut down the NIH and now laments the lack of new drugs, coming from scientists forced by the US to move to China.
The raccoon penis isn't working, Bob.
As one of the people who lost their job, doing important & worthwhile work, directly due to the funding cuts of this current administration, I only have a few words: FUCK YOU okay that's two. So, let's add PEDOPHILES to the end. FUCK YOU PEDOPHILES.
As the wise Ricky would tell them - Fuck, pretty easy to understand. Off, real easy to understand. Fuck off!
two technically counts as "a few", but i'll allow the addition
That's what happens when you let everyone know you're not going to eat your lunch, someone else is going to eat it.
This cunt is a child killer. Not through negligence, but deliberately and intentionally.
I think you can call him a mass murderer at this rate.
China isn't perfect, but they got some good ideas.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jul/11/china.jonathanwatts
Sheesh, these Godless commies, judicially executing someone for corruption? In Maga America they extra judicially execute you for being brown/at a protest as god intended.
🤔 I wonder what they did to the people who offered the bribes
Still do not support execution but the idea of there being consequences is still nice
Same.
It's so weird watching the cognitively impaired elderly because they say 98% random left field nonsense and then the fucking 2% profound revelation statements.
Oh man. The US has lost its edge in everything. Its a real shit show.
You don't need much from a government, but it doesn't work with a bunch of thieving criminals.
Excuse me? We're still the best at mounting flags in the backs of pickup trucks.
Well ackshually...
Here in Australia our servos (seppo: gas stations) sell this little plastic flags that clip on to your window or door frame. Dickheads can easily self identify by attaching two of these to their fucktard conveyance machine.
I'm sorry to tell you that toxic patriotism technologies have progressed beyond flags in the backs of pickup trucks.
I don't mean to be all nationalistic, but I'm not talking about little clipped-on plastic flags. I'm talking full-on, massive Old Glories.
that's a weird metric to look at because drug approval happens only like, 5-15 years after end of preclinical research, sometimes longer
clinical trials also take fuckton of money but this might be also post-2008 cuts that we only see effects of now
The lines must go up metric
It is indeed not the current administration that led to this.
It certainly won't help but that is not the cause, neither is the 2008 one.
China has been advancing in plenty fields for a few decades now.
They have already caught up or surpassed others in plenty fields.
Americans are clinging to their USA nr 1 mantra, but that's delusional.
They refuse to accept to the fact they already have been beaten and there is nothing they can do about it.
Despite banning and sanctions China has a massive lead in nearly all crucial tech fields.
The gap will only become bigger.
The funniest thing is that all the while China is the largest creditor of USA by far, and USA has had foreign investment pouring in overall all those decades.
USA had the money not just to maintain but rapidly advance, and a head start. To bite the dust in this situation is some serious incompetence.
It wouldn't be this bad but they would've lost either way.
China has 4x the population.
They can spend more money from their healthy economy while the US is declining.
RFK Jr would like to remove scientific scrutiny from the drug approval process, which is the agenda of pharma companies. He's already been successful with this in the med device space using the same argument.
China: Eats lunch
RFK Jr.: "THAT'S MINE!"
I'm sorry, you have misunderstood his words, he doesn't want better drugs or safer drugs, he wants more drugs approved, fewer hurdles to sell his buddies snake oil
This is the point everyone misses. Hes not asking for more medical research to be done, hes asking for the standards for approval to be lowered or eliminated.
Also have cooler cars.
And a lot less fatasses.
This comment may seem diminutive but it has implications in terms of public health policies. I bet once again China has the upper hand here.
Way cooler. Their cities look way cooler too.
What you can see of them through the smog yeah.
Its been significantly improved vs where it was 10 and 20 years ago.
Agreed. But 80% better than awful is still pretty bad.
But unlike the US, its air quality is trending positive, not negative.
First comparing anything to the USA is a pretty low bar. Second when it comes to issues that affect health trending is great but it's not as important as the current conditions when it comes to traveling to or living in a place. Our lives are too short to accept 'trending' for these kinds of issues.
The trend is what matters. China: electrification is going so fast it's hard to follow. Pollution is going down very fast. The USA: cancel all plan to promote EVs and weaken regulation on gas cars: pollution is to go up. And that's not including public transportation offset on the cars density, where China is basically 40 years ahead…
The cross-point on air quality might be much closer than you think.
Is it though? Have you been there or lived in a place with high smog and low air quality? Do you or your child have asthma? I made the comment simply as a note of the current condition - you sometimes literally can have a hard time seeing the city skyline in Beijing and I've never been to places like Hotan and other more industrial areas where it is worse.
Living or even visiting a place and saying it's the trend that matters sounds like politician speak. Tell that to your lungs and brain while you sit in the pollution.
I lived in China for 6 years. I experienced smogs dense enough you couldn't see a building 10m away.
I've been travelling to Shanghai on several occasions and went there again last year.
The improvement now vs 10years ago is dramatic! I'm not saying it's all fine, but I will say this: now I live in Canada (Québec) and forest fires make the air here worse than what it is in Shanghai on a regular basis.
They've outpaced the rest of the world combined for the last two years in renewable deployment.
True, I think what they have deployed the last 2 years could power the whole of Europe.
Still a brutal dictatorship though.
And have the smog levels outpaced the rest of the world? Have you been recently man? Making great progress yes, but they are starting from way behind.
Break everything.
Blame others to get elected.
Break everything.
Blame others to get elected.
Break everything.
Blame others to get elected.
Break everything.
Blame others ot get elected.
The Republican way.
Kinda feels like he's angling to reduce FDA oversight with this one?
God I hope China actually does create a virus to wipe out the antivax dumbasses.
I think covid might have put a pin in anyone planning to try to take the world using a virus. Two main problems:
These two items work against each other. If you try to make a virus that will infect the entire herd, it might be more likely to also be able to attack you regardless of what vaccines you have. If you try to make a virus that won't be able to escape your vaccine's immunity, then the herd might just develop immunity themselves and the virus dies out after only killing a small portion of the population.
So given that, I don't think a weaponized virus is an effective tool to eliminate enemies with because it's both too risky and too unreliable.
I know multiple people who had kids and they didnt get then any vaccines (religion).
I'm wary of even being around those kids.
Unfortunately most antivaxers are vaccinated. It's their children who will suffer
They would never do anything like that twice.
If only our government encouraged drug research and funded studies and trials. Oh wait, we did that, and RFK, Jr cancelled them all.
Its all the Dems fault! They screwed us AGAIN!
Soon a new trump tweet:
FAKE NEWS MEDIA won’t tell you this, but GREAT American Scientists just CRUSHED the number of DEADLY DRUGS pouring into OUR Country! DOWN BIG LEAGUE! China, you POISONOUS SCUMBAGS, STOP making your NEW KILLER DRUGS and MURDERING our Precious CHILDREN! We’re WINNING like NEVER BEFORE! MAKE AMERICA HEALTHY AGAIN! 🇺🇸
TOPXI
He looks like he sleeps in a tanning bed.
It looks like he used a lot of them too.
The response is spot on and MAGA fucks will piss and moan about the situation they created.
And the worms are eating his brain
So he's definitely a problem, but regardless of him China really do be faster at this right now.
Who said it was your lunch in the first place?
The Republicans in the room:
mr wormbrain distraction for trump. notice he was eerily absent in the news when all that ice, iran attack was happening, and now that is likely is "blown over",.
The post above this in my feed is about how he rejects germ theory, so why the hell does he care about pharmaceutical drugs? If all diseases are caused by diet and "imbalances" why would we need any drugs?
Interesting, what would People for Ethical Treatment of Animals say about it? AFAIK, they have great success in stopping animal experiments... #vegans, comment please
They are eating the cats and dogs and also our lunch of the people who live there.