Huckabee: 2024 will be last election ‘decided by ballots rather than bullets’ if Trump loses over legal cases
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) on Wednesday said 2024 will be the last election “decided by ballots rather than bullets” if former President Trump doesn’t win the presidential race because of his various legal battles.
In the latest episode of his show on TBN, Huckabee argued the legal woes now facing Trump are part of a politically motivated scheme from the Biden administration, an argument touted by many in the former president’s orbit.
“If these tactics end up working to keep Trump from winning or even running in 2024, it is going to be the last American election that will be decided by ballots rather than bullets,” Huckabee warned in his opening monologue.
Huckabee accused President Biden and his team of trying “to make sure that Donald Trump is not his opponent in 2024″ and “to destroy Trump in the courthouse rather than at the ballot box.” He also alleged the Justice Department, the IRS and the FBI are “conspiring to hide the Biden family crimes, while all the time being obsessed with charging Donald Trump with crimes.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4190468-huckabee-2024-will-be-last-election-decided-by-ballots-rather-than-bullets-if-trump-loses-over-legal-cases/Open linkView original on lemm.ee
Arrest him for fomenting insurrection.
Seriously. They're just gonna keep doing this dancing on the edges bullshit until someone comes down on them fucking hard.
The Prison Boys leader who just got 22 years in prison admitted he knew all along that Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump did not win the election. The media needs to point out the obvious. That the Prison Boys and Oathbreakers are Tory militia groups who were trying to destroy the Founding Father's government and reestablish a dictatorship/monarchy.
😂😂😂
Or a bunch of idiots kill a bunch of people.
No, that's what they're counting on. That certainly wouldn't stop them since that's the point of the entire exercise. Although this particular example comes dangerously close to dancing over the line into incitement if it doesn't already.
Hasn't fucking stopped them so far
*gestures broadly*
Feels like pretty strong linkages to obstruction of justice if you're trying to brazenly influence the outcome of a trial under the threat of violence.
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The amount of Republicans that have no idea how strapped Democrats are is too damn high lol. While I'd love c/liberalgunowners to be as high as Republicans but, it's not THAT much of a numbers difference. 6/10 of Republicans live in a gun household vs 1/4 Democrats. Republicans usually sit at 40% of the pop vs Democrats at 50%.
Then they'll be fighting against the damn US Military with only the really full on bat shit Republicans. Jan 6th already showed us how many actually wanted to nut up. Hey, turns out not that many! There's a reason why there was a whopping 2, 3-star generals, RETIRED, that came out in favor of Trump. People think the military is filled with nothing but Republicans too, but Joe Biden beat Trump by 4 points in the military in 2020 lol.
The crazy fucks had their chance on January 6th already lol. Sorry people, it's not going to be a civil war. It's going to be increasing amounts of Republican extremism like it already has been for the last decade and more.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249775/percentage-of-population-in-the-us-owning-a-gun-by-party-affiliation/
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/
The military is also really split along certain lines when it comes to D vs R. Higher ranks tend to have more education and some vote along their education lines. More junior people seem to follow point of entry political lines (which for many is admittedly the south but not all).
There's the observation that younger people are much more likely to be liberal. Which explains why the military voted Democratic. And the more educated wing of the military are more Democratic. Essentially, the military is arguably increasingly liberal over time.
Veterans are also more likely to learn left. I'm not sure if that's cause of what we saw, or because half the wannabe Rambo types got themselves killed, but the majority of people who survived tend to go left.
The senior officer corps of the US military despises Trump, for obvious reasons.
Statistics based on.... some shit you pulled out of your ass I guess?
Luckily most Trumpers wouldn't last more than a few minutes in a firefight before they run out of breath.
Most Trumpers won't pick up their guns, except to go to the range and show them off. They barely shoot. They won't fight.
Campaign Slogan 101
Did Huckabees just threaten another insurrection?
Long-term, I very much doubt (and very much hope) you’re right.
I hope they don't mind waiting a few months for me to move out of my shithole state first.
Maybe the Trump case sets some kind of new precedent that means desperate politicians using violent rhetoric like this will face real consequences?
Did all those supposed Biden crimes occur since 2020? No? Then why did the Trump administration let these supposed crimes go uninvestigated?
Buttery males?
That explains their fascination with LGBTQai+2
Anyone who says "Biden crime family" or a similar variant / transposition unironically, I have to ignore.
For my own sanity.
Not to mention Hunter Biden is getting his in court? It's just boring tax fraud and a gun charge and he's taking his punishments without much fuss and working to rectify his transgressions, tho, so nobody cares. Also he never worked for the government in any capacity ever.
sound of goalposts scraping against the floor
Well it would be the perfect Trump response to know of Biden's crimes (not that there's any evidence of the current President commiting any) and then ask (edit: blackmail..again messed up, extort) Ukraine to help him rather than asking why the legal system is not taking action. Like what you'd expect the D student in class thinking is the correct response to a situation.
Of course then you have to forget that there were some people intelligent enough in the administration to figure it out.
Like how Huckabee covered up his son killing that dog?
it's amazing how anti-American Republicans have become
Yeah, the gop has no principles.
They just say whatever if this help them enact christian and regressive laws.
State rights are only mentionned to enact conservative policies, otherwise ignored when comes time to push federal laws.
Children are out of limit for sex ed, but it is perfectly fine to endoctrinate them with jesus.
Trans kids should not be allowed the treatment recommended by doctors, but gay kids should be sent to conversion camps mandated by the church.
I could go on. They just use whatever bullshit argument like "protect the kids" because they can't say the real reasons out loud. They probably think that this is also what liberals do, that this whole debate thing is just a game. Just say whatever makes you "win" the argument, you're on Jesus side anyway and they're not.
His daughter is governor of a state. He was governor of a state. These are the kinds of people republicans are voting for office- do not let republicans get away with bastardizing the meaning of patriot. They are traitors at worst or traitor sympathizers at best.
Yep. I will die of old age before there is any chance of a Republican ever deserving my vote, or of the Republican party convincing me that they have moved on from fascism.
It would be like science fiction.
These aren't even veiled threats anymore. These are actual, out-in-the-open threats and they continue to happen because Democrats aren't doing anything about them.
Within hours of Huckabee making these threats, the FBI or Secret Service should be parading him in the streets with handcuffs on as they bring him in for questioning. Make an example of him, Palin and all the other right wing lunatics that are threatening our democracy.
But as usual, we give right wing lunatics a free-pass and then wonder why they continue to escalate this issue.
And meanwhile, Trump is openly stating that his second term would be a revenge tour where he'll arrest anyone who opposes him. He doesn't care if there are any actual crimes committed because he thinks opposing him is a crime in itself.
Thus fascism. And a good 1/4 to 1/3 of the country agrees with him, and the remaining 3/4 to 2/3 of the country either have no idea what is happening or are too busy bickering amongst themselves.
We will look back on the Dems the same way we look at the socdems in Germany who put up almost no resistance to the Nazis coming to power. I'd love to be wrong.
I unfortunately have to agree to some extent.
There are so few Dems out there who are willing to duke it out with the Right. I don't blame Biden for not stooping down to the level of tweeting insults to the Right. He's president and thus should appear presidential not like his clown of a predecessor. But for fucks sakes there should be someone in the Democratic party that instigates the Right and is willing to play dirty and call them out on their shit. AOC was a firecracker and even when I disagreed with her, I loved that she would duke it out with any Republican. But there are so few others.
Lawmaker Jasmine Crockett from Texas of all places also comes to mind! Her direct, no bullshit approach calling out MTG with the receipts along with her personality has me rooting for her every time
There aren't many. There is an Asian Democrat from CA (Lieu or something like that) who throws out some jabs once in a while. Dems used to have more aggressive members, but in their infinite wisdom, they are quick to turn on their own for the flimsiest of reasons - Al Franken comes to mind. He wasn't so much as agressive, as simply being great at connecting with voters. But he's now gone. Slim pickings now.
What you're seeing is the neoliberal (i.e., moderately conservative) wing of the party systematically suppressing the actual leftist wing of the party. You say "in their infinite wisdom" as if it's a mistake, but they don't see it as one.
Spare me the nonsense. The left couldn't win elections in the bluest cities in the bluest counties in the bluest states and yet somehow the Dems are supposed to fall over themselves to support far-left causes??? Why? Where is the incentive? The Left time and time and time again proves they can't bring in the voters. And to be clear, I would like it if Dems had more liberal members, but I know what the reality is. Something that far too many people on the Left simply refuse to admit - the Left doesn't have the numbers. So you can claim some conspiracy-level nonsense about "systematically suppressing" blah-blah-blah, but votes win elections, and if you don't win elections, you as a political party have no power to enact laws.
I am happy to vote and support more centrist politicians who I might agree with on 80+% of the issues out there and can actually WIN elections, than hold out for some unicorn candidate who I agree with on all issues, but has no chance in bloody hell of winning anything. Because ultimately the alternative is some far-right douchebag who I agree with probably less than 10% of the time on various issues.
Terroristic threats, in my mind. I don't understand why we let them get away with shit like this.
Because Democrats are cowards and will do anything to stop confrontation. Democrats are the nerds in school who were endlessly picked on my the Republican bullies.
When you step back and look at American politics in that perspective, a whole lot of things start to make sense.
They get a free pass because large chunks of the FBI and Secret Service agree with them.
I'm not sure that's wise. Using authoritarian tactics on them is just going to amplify their persecution complex, and create an opportunity for martyrdom.
The best we can do here is point out the dangerous language, and get these people under surveillance. If and when their followers do make a move, that's when you build the case and bring them in.
I can understand the problems of so many spouting these sorts of lies and calls to action, though. It is a serious threat to national security. The solution here is a quick, but well documented trial of Donald Trump and his cronies. Throw anyone in our government (R, D, etc.) that's violated the law out, and if need be, imprison them.
We desperately need to make examples of those who are creating instability with their crimes and lies. But they have to break the law in a very clear way, and we need evidence.
The FBI is pretty openly run by Republicans. They don't go after their own.
Gimme a break. That's such a pedestrian view of law enforcement. They had no problem raiding Mar A Lago.
Two years late, after having given Trump myriad undeserved opportunities to get out of it despite him thumbing his nose at them every time instead, and only because the offenses were so egregious that they had no other choice?
I'm a registered Republican and at this point, that sounds like an improvement. Fuck all the spineless Republicans that have refused to call Trump out, and I have worse thoughts about Trump and his congressional supporters.
This is about as threatening as people advocating "eat the rich" or destroying American imperialism. Threatening a system is not and should not be illegal, only a person.
Not really. Eat the rich comes from the saying "when there's nothing left to eat, the poor eat the rich". Huckabee is advocating for actual violence in the name of a conspiracy theory. That's a false equivalency.
Lets play a game. How many elected republican officials can threaten civil war before they are barred from office?
Tommy Tuberville is singlehandedly ratfucking the entire military through inaction and still gets to collect his 6-figure check.
Doubt anything will happen.
Dude should be thrown out of his chair. If I was one of those military personnel he fucked over I would not have that much chill.
Is it zero? Cause I fully expect the answer to be zero unfortunately.
I'm just waiting, if the has-beens are feeling brave these same thoughts are floating in the elected ones.
Well for one we could try the 14th amendment on people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and all these:
https://themessenger.com/grid/these-16-republican-congressmembers-helped-trump-try-to-overturn-the-2020-election
Time to start doing something
Projection and threats, that's all they know how to do
Give them some credit, they also know how to smash
windowspolice officers and wipe poop on wallsHey now if you can’t smear shit on the capitol and try to hang the VP then according to sarah palin 'What's The Use In Being A Good Guy?'
"If Democracy doesn't give me the result I want, I'll turn to Fascism!"
That's exactly what is happening.
America. Are you ok? Blink twice if you need international help.
Or about just a friend from the north?
Blibk blink blink blink blink!!!!!!
That's 5 blinks and they said twice, guess you're ok?
Nah, they're probably in trouble, Americans don't have very good reading comprehension.
I think you know we need help.
Unlike Ukraine, I think we might benefit from someone invading us.
I think we were invaded by the same country. Just in different ways.
We are not
Sounds like a terroristic threat...
Now if that isn't stochastic terrorism, I don't know what is.
That seems like a vanilla terrorist threat. Not stochastic.
That's kind of just up to what you assume he means.
I honestly don't think he personally intends on shooting liberal voters, and he doesn't really have enough of a following to lead into the fray even if he did.
Then I guess there's how you interpret the meaning of threat, whether it has to be believable to count.
Also, the difference between the two is pretty much non-existent the more likely it becomes.
So depending on how big of an audience he has or how likely you think conservatives are in general to do anything, which version of terrorism you consider this to be becomes debatable.
Can't be. They are white.
They're the Law and Order Party - as long as the law is imposing their order on people that they don't like.
Just like they're the Personal Responsibility Party - as long as it's other people who need to be personally responsible.
Law and order= “we make the laws and give the orders”
The Republican idea of patriotism is just another flavor of Christianity - blind faith in a power you believe to be bigger than yourself. It used to be faith in America as a concept, unerring and omnipotent - under God, but when things started shifting leftward with the civil rights movement, it became faith in a president to bring things back to their halcyon days. It started with Reagan, and now it's Trump, who gave them new hope with his slogan of making America great again.
The Republican idea of patriotism was never about making your country great, it was about believing your country is already great despite all evidence to the contrary - essentially just another religion.
Let them try. Trump & his fellow republicans already attempted to violently overthrow our democracy once. Surrendering and allowing them their fever dream of a fascist dictator for life (however much time he's got left) will not improve our situation.
Republicans, particularly of the Gravy Seals bent, always seem to think they're the only ones that can own guns or know how to use them. Just because everyone else is sane enough not to be waiving them around or so insecure about themselves that they need to show them off like they're some kind of security blanket doesn't mean nobody else is armed. I think if they ever pluck up the courage to try a full scale civil war they'll quickly realize the tables aren't going to be anywhere near as one sided as they seem to think.
I like how they put their dumb political bullshit all over their vehicles. Someone should set up a database of license plates of vehicles with maga bullshit all over the car. First stop for weapons caches if shit really pops off.
Look, another unindicted co-conspirator!
You have that option I think, yes. Why do y'all always assume you're going to win though? You had a chance on January 6th, you had a chance every time Trump calls for a big rally at some courthouse proceeding, Trump had his chance not to surrender and to hole up with all his brave warriors and dare the deep state to come and dig him out.
I'm not saying there's not something very dangerous in these statements, because there is. But I can also confidently guarantee that just like with Ashli Babbit, as soon as bullets start coming back at Huckabee and a lot of these other extremely soft John "I-don't-do-all-that-well-when-my-plumbing-has-an-issue-let-alone-on-a-goddamned-battlefield" Eastman types, they're going to start all kinds of aggrieved moaning about how someone needs to enforce the laws against political violence, because this is crazy.
Political violence for thee not for me.
They had the President of the United States on their side, pulling every string he could, and STILL couldn't pull it off.
I'm not worried at all about a few neofascists doing suicide by cop when we have the most powerful country in the world.
So that's why the next really dangerous step is when the law enforcement apparatus (federal and local) starts to buy into the "all Republicans are patriots, all Democrats are the enemy" mindset in a big way. On Tyranny has a really great explanation of how this happens, backed up with some really extensive research on places where it did happen and exactly how it progresses. We're showing a lot of resilience against it in the US, but also, it's not at all impossible.
Remember, the Nazis were a bunch of weirdos and incompetent losers too, until all of a sudden they weren't.
I'm just not worried about that because it only applies to countries with small military/police. We have a gigantic military and police apparatus, combined with a longstanding democratic culture. There is not going to be any "civil war" in the most powerful and successful country in the world.
What these assholes will do if Trump loses (or assuming we're not in fact still in the absolute worst timeline, rots in prison) isn't really what worries me, so much as what these same assholes will do if Trump wins. History has some insights and they're very worrying. Something about shirts and the color brown. While there would be a certain poetic justice for these tools to end up the same way, I rather not have to deal with the fallout of the rest of that situation. Further the implications for the rest of the world should the US go down that route are very troubling.
I think this is how urban legends like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster start. He's been crying deep state for so long, archaeologists are gonna think it was a real thing.
Do it! DO IT!! Shut up talking about it, and let’s get the civil war started!! Because I suspect it will be over before supper time.
In reality all they’re going to do is talk about it, because they’re small weak little people. Look at the big bad Proud Boys. When faced with the consequences of jail, they cried like little girls and begged the judges to take pity on them. Only one defiantly yelled “TRUMP WON” on his way out is the courtroom, but that was even after he cried and groveled.
Right? I look forward to showing them how many of us "libtards" own guns and know how to use them. I'm glad their side is so inept that they blindly regurgitate a lie that will almost certainly end in a surprise version of the "find out" part of "fuck around and find out." Man I hate a good portion of the population here.
Sometimes I wonder whether a civil war is what the US needs. The American society is so fucked up that a great, painful reset seems the only option sometimes
Please just wait until after I've moved my family somewhere else, being born in Trump country™️ sucks.
Maybe he'll lose because so many people really loathe him.
So they've decided to be terrorists.
We all know terrorists are brown. They're white, so it's okay.
Y'know, this sort of rhetoric seems less about making a prediction (there will be violence) than it is about cueing his audience to prepare to be violent, or at least to accept that there will be violence.
Yeah, it looks like an innocent prediction from the guy that can see the writing on the wall, and that's why this kind of talk takes this form and not the form of explicitly calling for political violence from particular people- this way it's all deniable and stochastic enough that nobody's (hint, hint) actually breaking the law out in the open.
Even worse now that his spawn holds political office. o_0
Yeah but if he wins there is going to be violence. I'd rather take my chances with the violence that happens because he lost than because he's ordering people that disagree with him off into camps.
Palin, now Huckabee. These conservatives are just drooling over their potential "civil war".
Kinda uncivil of them...
Reminder: Mike Huckabee is Wrong About Everything!!! Always
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The problem is that even if this is empty bluster on Huckabee's part, some jackass is going to decide that "deciding an election by bullets" means murdering a dozen random people at his local Wal-Mart.
That's the goal. "Give us what we want or you and yours might get shot up at the local store."
Just like we don't let a nuclear dictator take what they want because "omg hed nuke us" we don't let some sister fucker redneck asshole have what he wants because he might shoot us. Either pull the trigger or fuck off.
Dude has lost the plot.
huckabee and all his humunculoid offspring are the evil itself, they never had any interest in the plot
Dear Liberals,
Buy guns now. You are severely outgunned and the police support the other side. There is no credible deterrence preventing fascist militias from waltzing into major metropolitan areas and doing pretty much the same thing the Khmer Rouge did in Cambodia (murdering everyone that disagreed with them). Being “outraged” is not enough. Putting “In this house we believe…” signs on your lawn is not enough. Reassuring yourself with op-eds in the New York Times is not enough. Buy guns now.
I find blanket statements encouraging people to buy guns to be disingenuous. They rarely if ever include any advice for how to store, maintain, or safely use a firearm.
Stuff like this: https://www.leatherman.com/blogeveryday7-tips-for-properly-maintaining-your-gun
People have easy access to guns, such as a Walmart, and I think a lot of people have inclinations to get armed if gun sales are anything to go by. But everyone running to buy guns and then cowering in their homes or apartments isn't going to do any good. We need people everywhere to get organized. Then people can make decisions together that reflect the circumstances that they live in. I'm not convinced I would be making my neighborhood safer by independently buying a firearm.
I've had two people show up, multiple times, on my family's property to do something with a small box, we aren't sure what. We solved that by putting a gate on the driveway they were using. Adding a gun to whatever those situations are wouldn't make them better.
If a fascist death squad rolls up to my house, I'm dead. Getting to shoot back with a rifle is a nice thought, but it's not going to stop them from killing me. An organized neighborhood that took steps to prevent violence, whether that's firearms or some other method, is always going to be more effective than anything I can do individually.
Also, even if most people did decide to buy guns, they probably wouldn't being carrying them at the places where domestic terrorist attacks happen. People usually don't take their guns to schools, work, places of worship, fairs, etc. I live in a liberal democracy. I do not want to have to take a rifle with me every time I go on a grocery run or shop at local stores.
Even if everyone did bring guns to every public or private space I have played and watched social deduction games. People are really bad at managing an unknown shooter situation. We make random guesses at best that lead to everyone getting killed. If I'm at the grocery store and people start shooting at each other, I have no way of knowing which person started it, which one is the fascist, who is acting in self defense or if the people standing where I can see them with a gun are actually the shooter. Everyone's best survival strategy is to runaway and that's something we can do without guns.
It's not enough or desirable for everyone to buy guns with no organization whatsoever. We need organized militias to combat domestic terrorists if we can't trust police to do it. Everyone walking around with a firearm is just cover for mass shooters if the majority of us do not know and trust the other people holding a gun.
I agree that organized militias are the way to go, probably with all the guns in an armory. My comment lacked nuance. But I still believe that the real power imbalance between the left and the right is a recipe for volatility. The perception of a credible defense would preclude the fascist death squad from showing up in the first place.
Yes, if there's one thing the US needs it's more guns.
PLEASE! I've been saying this since 2016 and have been kicked out of so many left-leaning circles. Buy a gun now! Before they make it illegal for you to. You don't even have to use it.
That's a terrible idea. You need regular practice at the range in order to be effective with it.
They really do want violence.
I hope, when the smoke clears, they serve the remainder of their days in prison.
Because They. Won't. Win.
They've won in way too many places for you to be that confident.
Does anyone else remember the 2000 election with Gore and Bush and the state of Florida ?
What the ever loving fuck is wrong these people ?
And why is Biden's family included for Huckabee while Trump is a singular entity ?
Showing his whole ass once again.
Or another reason to get strapped. Cause if it comes down to it, at this point banning them wouldn't stop it. You would need to confiscate them.
That's the issue though. If you banned guns tomorrow, how do you get them all out of private hands? Send the National Guard door to door to search the whole country? People would hide their guns or lose them in the lake within 5 minutes of the first search. We desperately need to do something, but any solution will be difficult due to the overwhelming number of guns just floating around.
I don't think you necessarily need to strip people of the possessions in their homes to regulate gun ownership. There can be comprehensive legislation in place without taking extreme action like that to improve the situation but for some reason Americans oppose any legislation at all.
You don't go straight for the ban, even if that's the end goal. You focus on making it more expensive and difficult to own guns, and you focus on changing how people think about them. The ultimate goal will take care of itself over time (even if multiple lifetimes). The thing is that Americans have a unique perspective on guns, but since we don't see this perspective in other countries (quite the opposite in most cases), we know it's not a manifestation of a human trait. It's cultural and therefore, learned. Learned traits may be to difficult to unlearn in a single generation, but you can do it over larger stretches of time. Sucks for us who are alive now, but good for the future.
I don't disagree. But there's also the other side of things: Some of us are terrified of being round up and thrown in camps. Its not hard to see when they are using the same play book as the Nazis, who got a lot of influence from the US. And while I'm not saying we shouldn't ban guns. It has worked for a lot of countries. And I think it's a great idea. But there's a point where I also need to be able protect myself. They're already stocked up. Banning guns doesn't change that. So if they do decide to start a civil war, they're already prepared. Is it gonna be like how it used to be where each side stands opposite each other in a field and shoot at each other? No. It's been talked about how it will likely be a lot of terrorist attacks. But if it gives some people a fighting chance, then they might need it.
Will I need it? Not as likely. For starters, I live in Portland. It's not likely I'm gonna have any issues. But for some other queer people in some towns and states, this might eventually be it for them.
I feel like part of the reason why Americans are facing threats of civil war now is related to refusing to regulate guns in any way so the Right feels empowered to act, maybe on a gun fever. It's not the only reason, but they must feel tough carrying around their hot metal. Probably also why the Right freaks out every time gun regulation is on the table. 🙄
You are of course free to do what you feel is necessary. I could conceivably see how it could come to that, but we can't see all things either. Maybe having a gun is precisely what people get shot for in that theoretical future as opposed to having it represent any valid defense. It may make one feel safe, but that's not the same as being safe. In the meantime, having a gun is a step away from a more ideal future rather than a step towards it. More guns doesn't solve the issue of too many guns. And without a doubt somebody's gun owned for well intentioned self-protection will be used by somebody to harm themselves or others.
You're just engaging in fantasy if you think that a gun ban would actually get rid of guns in the hands of Those People. Do you have any idea how many unregistered guns are in private hands, especially right-wingers? It's hundreds of millions.
Now imagine that every one of those was declared immediately illegal. Try to imagine the logistics of going around to collect them all up. How many police officers does it take to bring down one armed attacker now? You know they send a whole squad out. How many do you think it would take to go take away hundreds of millions of guns whose owners don't want to give them up?
It is simply not possible.
You would be better off to buy your own guns than to hold out hope that the fascists will have theirs taken away.
This is stupid. It's like saying we shouldn't ban crack because of all the private crack collections that people have. No one claims it's going to get rid of 100% of crack in the country, but it is going to solve a lot of problems.
Banning guns will have a massive, possibly even overnight reduction in the number of gun deaths and mass shootings in the country (and technically the entire world). Some ammosexuals might try going out with a bang, but once those get cleaned out society will improve significantly for everyone.
But we did ban drugs, and they are still around... including crack
Drugs won that war.
Yeah, but you can’t just walk into walmart buy some crack.
Edit: at least not through the front door
Well..... lmao, have you been by the tire section lmao 🤣😂
Crack gets used up, meanwhile I've got a 75-year-old rifle that still functions, well maybe not fine, but about the same as it did off the assembly line
M1A?
Type 53, supposedly a trophy from Vietnam
I get that you're only replying to what the other person said, but it's so odd to me as an outsider when Americans so often pivot the gun control conversation around disarming the other side when schools, clubs and malls get shot up every other week with several deaths each. I can't imagine getting shot being a possibility in my day to day and watch as everyone gets tangled up in political squabbles, essentially halting any real solution to the real problem.
The issue that you imagine is not our actual reality. Our day to day life in America is very safe overall, and there's no reason to live in fear of shootings because they are very rare. Most people in the USA have never seen a person shot in real life. What you see on the news is amplification of every violent event, without the perspective that these are a tiny fraction of a percent of the overall experience.
Homicides by firearms are not even in the top 10 causes of death in the USA. People keep clamoring on and on about "all the kids getting shot" but when you look at the actual numbers, 99.9999% children are not affected by gun violence. It's simply not an urgent problem that has a viable solution.
I lived in the US for 11 years and know at least someone who was affected by a shooting. I don't think I'm just imagining things.
Well of course some people are affected by it. I said most people have never seen any person shot in real life, in the USA. It's not happening everywhere all the time like people seem to think it is. Violent crime of all types is in fact rare in the USA, only affecting a small fraction of a percent of the population.
There's quite a lot of people affected by it, there's no need to diminish the numbers by speaking in percentages or exaggerating my claims to absurdity. I don't think 52 school shootings last year is nothing--that's one every week. That's too many young people killed every single week. And of course it's not happening everywhere all the time, nobody says that. My point is that getting randomly shot at the mall or at a school on a shooting spree is a reality that exists in the US that's almost non-existent where I live. Unfortunately for us, gun violence from organized crime is very much a problem for us precisely because the US refuses to regulate its gun trade because the conversation always goes sideways.
I'm not saying it'd be an easy thing. I'm saying we should have never let it go this far to begin with and shrugging our shoulders and going "oh well" is less than an impractical solution. It's no solution at all.
You're starting to understand the reality of it. There is no solution to gun violence that can be realistically implemented. We should instead be addressing the problems that create desperate poverty situations that lead people to crime.
banning guns isn't going to solve anything
Australia is a different country, they were never even a tenth as gun-brained as America.
Indoor smoking isn't enshrined in our constitution, indoor smoking never had a cult following, and most importantly, you can't weaponize indoor smoking to prevent a ban on indoor smoking like you can weaponize firearm ownership to prevent a ban on firearm ownership.
How about we start thinking about logistics, step by step. Starting with this: where do you plan to find an army or a police composed of trained, armed people, who all vehemently believe that we should take away civilian firearms, who aren't afraid to die on any given housecall? Built from Americans? And where do you plan to find enough of them to seize 400 million guns?
Funny how these bastards always find someone else to do their dirty work for them. But what would you expect from Mike Huckabee, whose dick is so small he couldn't fuck a bee?
Soooo threatening more treason are we?
Like all terrorists, the RW threatens violence if they don't get their way.
Ok tubby, you gonna be the trigger puller for the gravy seals?
Their "reality" doesn't jive with actual reality.
Are there really Americans that would respond to threats like this with "Well I don't like them, but maybe if I vote for them they won't shoot me?"
Who am I kidding, of course there are. Probably the same Americans that insist our rigged capitalism can fix the many crises our rigged capitalism caused.
Believe it or not, there's still a shit ton of people out there making the "both sides" argument.
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You first, Fuckabitch.
If this shit just passes by without consequence, we have no DoJ
DOJ should def. have a chat with Mr. Huck. I mean really, like today. Tomorrow would be too late.
Calm the fuck down, Mike.
Don't hope for that, Mike, it will not go the way you think it will go.
bring it on, you lying sack of hillbilly shit
that is not what mike huckabee looks like now
Here's an updated photo
That's horrendously insulting. What did that killer klown from outer space ever do to be compared to someone as terrible as that?
Your link was to the wrong photo.
We all know that's not Sarah's best side. Play fair!
He looks like he's fondling the ass of a skinny invisible hooker
Be my guest, assholes... Just like on January 6th, all of these fascist talking heads will be nowhere to be found when shit starts going bad or getting violent. They want to foment insurrection and pit Americans against other Americans, but then they very casually wipe the blood from their hands and sit back in the comfort of their mansions. It'll be their dumbest and most gullible supporters, the useful idiots, that end up committing crimes on their behalf and suffering the legal consequences.
Trump committed crimes and, despite being rich and despite being a former president, he is not above the law.
Boy, Republicans are the biggest scam artists of all time. What fucking crimes did Biden commit? There are receipts for the crimes Trump broke. Destroy Trump in the courthouse rather than the ballot box? Are you fucking high? You don't debate criminals on policy, you prosecute criminals.
They pick and choose from rule of law daily.
You dickheads already tried that. Now a whole fucking lot of you are going to prison, for, idk, 22 years or so. I say once more, pull out the gun or shut the fuck up, coward.
The kill-billy cowards prefer to invade Wal-Marts and black churches and use them as shooting galleries, where nobody has a chance to fight back. Because they're pussies.
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" 2023 edition.
I thought he called him "quarrelsome," but I'm probably conflating something
I always thought it was "meddlesome", tbf.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_turbulent_priest%3F
He could have said anything. It was nearly a thousand years ago, only a handful of people were paying attention and they were all murderers. And he could very well have said it in French considering he was both French and in France at the time.
Since Trump has made clear that if he wins, he’ll use the power of the state to persecute his political enemies, sounds to me like this is the last free (I won’t pretend our elections are fair) election for a while, regardless of who wins.
Ok.
We have laws against making terrorist threats, but this one was made by a rich white Republican, so it’ll be overlooked.
Huckabee has nothing left but Trump. Once Trump is gone Huckabee goes to the old folks home. He did nothing for Arkansas and nothing for America.
ButwhataboutBLM
And he's an American Baptist minister.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say!
"They almost forgot about me. I better grab some headlines."
Fat Kevin Spacey say what?
Mask off, Huckabee.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Mike Huckabee (R) on Wednesday said 2024 will be the last election “decided by ballots rather than bullets” if former President Trump doesn’t win the presidential race because of his various legal battles.
In the latest episode of his show on TBN, Huckabee argued the legal woes now facing Trump are part of a politically motivated scheme from the Biden administration, an argument touted by many in the former president’s orbit.
“If these tactics end up working to keep Trump from winning or even running in 2024, it is going to be the last American election that will be decided by ballots rather than bullets,” Huckabee warned in his opening monologue.
As Trump campaigns for the White House in 2024 — after losing his reelection bid in 2020 to Biden — he’s been faced with multiple indictments on federal and state charges in courthouses across the country.
The former president now faces charges related to attempts to overturn the 2020 election results and to his handling of classified documents following two DOJ investigations.
Huckabee, who unsuccessfully ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 and 2016, went on to laud Trump, who has long polled as the front-runner of the GOP field.
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Sadly, I think he's right, it may come to civil war.
HEaven forbid, the world is dangerous enough as it is.
I wish a motherfucker would.
FUCKABEE
I wonder what kind of gun he thinks Jesus would use to murder the gays, libs and brown people? Just asking questions...
He's not wrong. You can't backdoor disqualify him. You need to beat him.
And in your opinion, does the 14th amendment of the Constitution prohibiting individuals who engaged in seditious acts against our democracy from holding office count as a "backdoor disqualification"?
It does if it's Congress deciding that the seditious acts happened instead of a criminal court convicting him of it, which is part of what's being discussed.
Nothing backdoor about this. The wheels of justice always move slower than we like. The GA interference and Jan 6th investigations started shortly after they occurred in 2021 and they've finally culminated in charges. The jury will decide if Trump committed crimes, and thankfully in GA at least we'll all get to hear the arguments and testimony of both sides.
Nobody is above the law. We have all heard Trump attempting to manipulate the GA secretary of state to throw the election. We have Pence stating clearly Trump wanted him to illegally invalidate state electors. We've heard Trumps claims the election was rigged but none of his lawyers have submitted any evidence of that in any of the states, so was he intentionally lying? I'm sure we'll hear much more during the trial. The jury will decide.
There's lawsuits out now trying to dq him ssns conviction. And suggestions of Congress declaring him guilty by fiat.
Already did.
Yes but if the Dems decide not to run one of the two least popular Democratic presidential candidates in my lifetime, they'll beat him soundly enough to end his whole political movement.