Retired Army general says US may need ‘Nuremberg’ like trials for Trump’s ‘illegal orders’ in Iran war
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You'll need to hang the whole congress, the senate, the white house, a good portion of the supreme court and several thousands more just to start with the heads of all this.
Then we can talk about how to purge your population.
Don't threaten me with a good time
And the CEO's and tech leaders and investment firms who finance and profit from all of this.
Those are part of the several thousands. I'm thinking of billionaires, CEOS, techbros, media moguls...
Some should be much further up on the list. They are as key to this as Turmpa himself.
Obviously them, arms contractor's ceo's, oil ceo's. Hedge fund and private equity bosses just because.
Puppy kickers
can us minorities circle around and stone them like in handmaids tale?
Finally! Elect this man!
My representative in Congress has been against this at every turn, vocally so. I don't think she deserves to hang.
AOC?
Not going to dox myself
Well, we need more Justice Dems like her, Illhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Pramila Jayapaul, Cori Bush, and Bernie Sanders
Agree
Wanna trade? Mine toes the line while talking to us about trivial, insignificant bills he’s sponsoring
Your terms are acceptable
Brother I would vote for you in a general election on literally just this platform alone
Ok.
Go on...
I think many might not like your threats of a good time
That would be a decent start.
In a perfect world everyone that voted for Trump would also get a 1 year prison sentence.
And every usa president alive
Officers who commit war crimes CANNOT be let off the hook if we end this madness. They are required to refuse illegal orders, and they should be held to account.
We can no longer afford to let people off in the name of national healing. Anyone complicit in these crimes must be severely punished - otherwise we're just sending a message to future despots that there's no risk to pursuit of their goals.
I'm totally convinced that most people are selfish and lazy pieces of shit with no morals, so I won't hold my breath. What's holding these idiots back in the past was an accessibility issue, which is now lifted. They are actually the majority. I'm preparing to be ruled by absolute dogshit morons who may at any moment become pedophilic mass murderers.
The US definitely needs denazification.
*demagafication
Unironically, it's both.
Same word.
while not the same thing, the overlap is huge
Mind you, this was from 2010:
May? May???
There is no may! Everyone of those fuckers who thinks they can hide behind "I was only following orders" can be charged with war crimes and executed for all I care. Following orders when you KNOW they are illegal and KNOW they are reprehensible beyond all belief...? You think you deserve to be absolved? Nah fuck you.
You are reacting to the headline not the quote.
When writing or calling my reps I've started opening with "We will hold you criminally accountable for enabling Trump's war crimes."
When I actually get a human, I tell them they need to find a new job as they will also be considered part of the conspiracy.
Not "might", "must", and for all the things, from the Supreme Court's corruption to the corporate sponsorship of all the crime and genocide.
You are reacting to the headline not the quote.
Not to be overly depressive and cynical but the Nuremberg trials were, in practice, show trials and very few people were actually held accountable.
The show was the important part. The trials put the crimes on display for the world, essentially as a deterrent. And it kinda sorta worked for almost a hundred years! Too bad we apparently have to relearn this lesson every so often.
Well there was a minor oversight where most got away scot-free anyway, and if you didn't lose you weren't accused.
A second chance means a chance to do it right, and learn from the mistakes of others.
Here's a good place to start: Nazi Billionaires: The Dark History of Germany's Wealthiest Dynasties
We should really be doing a better job keeping track of the current line of Nazi billionaires being created in the U.S.
It's a start
what I hear you saying is that the USA has the opportunity to do the best Nuremberg trials in history, better than anyone's ever heard of before
Wow actually!
Only 24 people charged/convicted. 10 executed. 1 an heroed themself. 1 wasn't even present.
Argentina really did them a solid.
You're suggesting we just ignore everything, pretend everything is fine, and just move on?
-Literally no cancer patient ever
Yes. Fucking do it and dissolve Israel while they're at it.
I'm by no means pro Israel but shouldn't this rhetoric of dissolving states also be applied to brutally violent imperialist countries like the US too, or pretty much any state for that matter? Not meaning to be inflammatory, it's a sincere question.
No objections from me. Give the land back to its indigenous peoples.
I understand your point. But Israel has been founded on brutality and genocide. They've just keep doing what they're song today since it's creation. The whole idea is to cleanse the area of any non Jewish people. They truly believe they are a supreme race chosen by God and that this land is their God given right. You can't save a state that had that kind of history and mentality.
The U.S. can be salvaged. It hasn't always been a bad state. And it's people aren't all bloodthirsty killers like Israel.
May need? MAY need???
Ffs
Does need. May get.
The criminals in the Epstein case may need prosecution.
As I understand it, there was only one criminal. His name was Jeffery Epstein. We got him. He's gone now. Stop talking about it.
trump is affecting the globe with his unhinged behaviour so if there truly is an international court, and global law is a thing, then yes, retributon should be swift.
Not too swift.
Need to get him before he croaks.
Oh I agree, but let's not be too hasty at the final stage. I believe the orange cum rag has more than earned a slow and painful demise.
He represents everything about the worst aspects of the USA and I'd love to see those end along with him.
This is one jury I'd absolutely be thrilled to participate in.
For the US and Israel to truly experience this "Nuremberg" like trials you speak off, they have to lose the war. Germany did not win their wars nor was it a German judiciary that tried the cases.
Germany didn't de-Nazify after they lost the war. German Nazis continued to hold ranking positions in both East and West Germany and in their imperial industrial sectors (CIA and Stasi were both stuffed with former Nazis). One of the kinder things you could say about the Soviets was that they stuck Nazi captives in low-ranking grunt work positions and ran them to death. Similarly, the US turned a lot of ex-Nazis into Expendables style special forces and deep cover insurgent forces in missions that ended disastrously.
But we had Adolf Heusinger running NATO. We had ex-SS officers all over the East German Police. Werner Von Braun was running NASA. Klaus Barbie, Alois Brunner, Josef Mengele all successfully exfilitrated to South America and the Middle East, thanks to Allen Dulles's ratlines and the fascists in the 1940s Catholic Church. Postwar West Germany, in particular, was littered with mid-level ex-fascists and latter-day turncoats.
Nevermind the foreign sponsors of German Nazis - the Bush Family, the Ford Family, IBM's Watson Family, the Carnegies, the Morgans, the Duke of fucking Windsor. They all got richer for their trouble, even before guys like Eisenhower and Churchill vacuumed them all up into their orbit.
Nuremberg was show trials for a handful of surviving high profile belligerents. A Limited Hangout, as Nixon would eventually describe it. Fascism never died. It simply got rebranded under the Cold War.
Minneapolis trials with public executions on the national mall.
Before, after, or as a double-feature with Epstein trials?
I don't think there are a lot of military members in the Epstein files, so I think they'd use different court systems.
Oh, okay. Got it.
It’s not going to come from within. The only way it’s going to happen at this point is for the US to be invaded and deposed as a whole, with leadership captured and held accountable. And well, I’m not taking any bets on that happening.
The United States' economy depends on the goodwill of the world. Without their control of the international reserve currency it would utterly collapse. If that were to happen then the rest of the world would be in a strong position to make demands of the United States.
However, over the last few decades most western economies have become so entwined with America that a US collapse would take them down as well. Efforts have been made in the last few months to reduce those entanglements, but there's still a long way to go. If you want justice to be brought to America then the best thing you could do is boycott US goods and service whenever possible.
I second the motion.
Just for Iran?
Its gonna definitely need a multinational panel to prosecute
lol the lack of balls on some people
say it like you mean it. it's a requirement.
You are reacting to the headline not the quote.
yes, because the headline is supposed to accurately reflect the contents
Would hate to see justice done? Or does he imply US forces have done nothing wrong so far?
Is that the only 2 possible solutions your brain can conclude? Think harder.
Those are the options. If war crimes have been committed by now trials are the only path to justice. Therefore he either believes no war crimes have been committed, or he is a defender of injustice and American exceptionalism.
He's a retired general. And you're a fucking idiot.
Yes, he has the credentials and the thought pattern of a champion of American imperialism.
Least he has a thought pattern.
cerntainly. this is why the republican party must go. after nixon they decided to never call their members to task and this shows they will allow them to go to any and all extents.
Yes. We know. Cory Booker will fail us.
The Nuremberg media trials are no reference.
I feel as though half of MAGA would regret their vote if someone filmed and handed trump an unchambered weapon and asked him to crack off a round down a range.
is that the USA calling dibs to investigate itself ?
But that would be POLITICAL and we DONT want to Do that!
-Democrats!
Do I see Lieutenant Calley?
Do I see Captain Medina?
Do I see General Koster and all his crew?
“Great” and “war crime” probably should not be in the same sentence. Especially adjacent to each other
Great means large.
Some say the greatest.
Alexander the Huge
Girthy
Yeah, but probably best to use a different word that means "large" in this context.
'Great' does not necessarily mean 'good'
To be fair as it's meant is pretty bad too.
Like can't we draw the line at normal war crimes? (/s?)
Have anyone introduced Great Britain into this conversation yet?
Yes, I understand it would be an awesome war crime
And nothing about that phrasing in modern parlance sounds odd whatsoever
Alexander the Great wasn't called as such because he was chill. Neither was Ivan the Terrible bad at his job
Oh, are we going to pass the unicorn protection act next? Protect bigfoot's habitat? Give me a break. Idk why anyone would give thrift to this general that I presume is trying to play the good hearted here. But they are playing you.
Elaborate.
International law means nothing to the US. They would sooner bomb the ICC than see one of their people or Israel's get prosecuted. Debating what is against international law is strictly academic in this context, a waste of time, and is already beyond dispute they've violated it in more ways we can recount. With no consequence, and there will be no consequence.