I saw this posted before elsewhere (but can't find it now). In that version, it was stated this was posted in a Star Wars forum, which makes it doubly hilarious if true.
Not quite. It was posted on Tumblr, by a star wars focused account, with star wars tags, so mainly star wars fans saw it (at first).
At no point during the poll was star wars in the lead, but the poll did breach containment and got seen by most of the nerd community there, which definitely did not help the voting spread.
Stargate SG-1 is a lot more anarchic than Star Trek ever gets. Most of its episodes are about a group of people that almost always relies on knowledge/expertise rather than rank for decisions, trying to do their best to give societies the tools for their own liberation.
In Star Trek, it is presented as enlightened that the protagonists will let a genocide happen if its victims are too primitive to have rights ("prime directive"). In Stargate, every injustice is worth fighting against and every person is worthy of fighting it.
In Star Trek, challenging a captain's bad decision is misconduct. In Stargate it's common sense. In Star Trek, slavery gets being reinvented by the good guys because beings aren't worthy of rights until proven otherwise. In Stargate, slavery requires a revolt.
The main propaganda of Stargate is that the US would facilitate this behavior, rather than seeking its own imperial supremacy.
I understand doubting whether people have this interpretation. At least an uncritical watcher of Star Trek will act like a white savior starfleet officer and help until they find some reason to judge you. Uncritical Stargate watchers might actually believe the US military tries to help people structurally and support them.
Formenting in-group-friendly regime change can be good or bad, depending on what sort of behavior is construed as "-friendly". Some of my best friends forment in-group-friendly regime change.
SG-1 destroyed what would have been a very profitable ally because they were space nazis, and they helped space native Americans protect their land against destructive US mining practices.
Like with any show it's best to enjoy it critically. I enjoy SG-1 despite it positively depicting a space CIA just like I enjoy TNG despite it positively depicting a space British Royal Navy flagship.
Star Wars is so heavily merchandised that you really can't tell anything about someone wearing a shirt with Yoda on it, impulse buy at a Wal-Mart. But show me someone wearing a Riker T-Shirt, and I'll show you someone who went to a convention or decided to order a shirt off of a website. More likely to be one of us harmless earnest dorks who knows who did what at Tenagra.
I'd say that used to be true, but now there's been a bunch of Star Wars, and there's a lot of material from both. Nothing from Star Wars really comes close to 90s Star Trek.
If we're talking the original movies, and even the prequels, then definitely. And I can't say I'm surprised it turned out that way, honestly.
The Venn diagram of people who enjoy Star Wars and Star Trek is almost just one circle. You jiggle it a little, but your opinion isn't statistically significant.
Kind of beside the point. If you're someone who's gonna watch a space movie, with aliens, and lasers, you're gonna watch both. I doubt many people care one's a space opera, and the other's fantasy in space, when they're 12, or really ever.
There's a lot of overlap I'm sure. But it's probably not nearly as close as you imagine it is. They're different enough that you could replace either circle with any vaguely sci-fi thing and get pretty similar results.
Hey, I know we're all just bullshitting, but dreaming up fake statistics to invalidate someone else's opinion is really fucking dumb. Also, using statistics at all to invalidate someone, as if we all have to ascribe to the majority opinion, is really fucking dumb. Just all-around really dumb.
That’s a great way to see it, one is pulp fictiony for pure entertainment and the other deals with way more complex themes and gets you into some philosophical shit that can be fun to ponder on.
Listen, I go to war in Star Trek, I'm probably fine. Maybe my ship gets blown up, maybe I get superpowers from an alien super consciousness. But by the end of the war I'll be fine.
I go anywhere in Star wars and the best case scenario I'm merely left alone to live in squalor.
Hey, the poll says, "trust more", not which one you'd trust at all.
Both IPs have had some real stinkers from their new owners, and both have now had quite a broad scope of styles of content, too. So it's a bit silly to say one is absolutely superior unless it's a question of opinion and taste.
Star Trek probably has more hours of good content, but that is solely because the older series had many seasons of 20+ episodes.
Valid point, I prefer the older stuff when given the choice. Seemed like they were tripping acid a lot more back then in the writers room and coming up with some really great stuff. They do seem to be worrying more about the visuals more and more lately than the content. I guess that comes with it being around so long, it gets harder to come up with zingers with time
You know, Wesley was an annoying teen but seeing him show up in Prodigy after having practiced his thought powers was pretty cool. Wish we could see more of that and the Protostar
Less a joke about the lore and more a joke about how some people get really weird about some factions, like the Death Corps of Krieg and the Black Templars who are fan favorites but also attract a very fashy side of the fan base. Personally I'm more of an Armageddon Steel Legion, Blood Ravens, Adeptus Mechanacus type of guy.
For me it would depend on what kind of Star Trek shirt it was. If it's just a shirt that says Star Trek then not really. But if they're wearing a fucking Starfleet uniform I will trust them with my goddamn life.
A lot of Star Wars fans are either idolizing the Empire and the Dark Side for their positions of power and control, or the Space Wizards who go out of their way to be naive and get struck down for the better good. If they're not wearing rebel gear, they're not default trustworthy.
If someone watches enough Trek to wear the gear and is open about it, they are at least not against diversity and equality in their fantasy choices.
Also, a lot of normies like Star Wars as a normal action franchise, so there's some general randomness to the sample. Star Trek pretty specifically appeals to that specific type of nerd, there's a lot more consistency in the results you can expect.
I feel like it says more about the values of the fans than anything else. This isn't too say that Star Wars fans are bad as a fandom, but that Star Trek fans are more likely to help in times of need.
I enjoy Star Wars for specific reasons that I like in entertainment. The ragtag underdog fighting a strong oppressor and winning. The classic fantasy story, but in space. Swords. Small fighters dogfighting more than large ships shooting at each other.
Now, that's entertainment, in an action fantasy judgement. Would I want to live in a Star Wars universe over a Star Trek universe? Absolutely not. Do I agree with the moral guidelines of either major side of Star Wars? Again, not really. I definitely don't like the empire, but even the Jedi are too much of religious fundies to me. I also think the lessons/message of Trek is generally better too.
It's a bit like food that's tasty but not good for you. I enjoy it, but I'm not claiming it's the better of the two.
I dont really know shit about star trek but star wars is extremely overrated, i mean there were a few great movies but like nobody dresses up like characters from the godfather or citizen kane or idk any other great movies really. Idk lotr is super popular and it's awesome but idk lotr was also even better movies and still not as like a religion for people, like people make their whole identity being a star wars fan it's bizzare. Idk i just dont get star wars people i guess.
Yeah but theres a lot of star wars fans who only like star wars, yes there are plenty of cosplayers who will dress up as characters from many universes including star wars, but idk i guess ive had bad experiences with people who love star wars more than anything else.
And ive never seen star trek really but met a few trekkies and they were all awesome people idk just my anecdote i guess.
These are not equivalent. A Star Wars shirt just has a picture of some characters or spaceships on it, but a Star Trek shirt could be Starfleet uniform.
I mean, I love Andor, but I didn't see much Utopia going on in it, which is kind of what makes Star Trek what it is: sci-fi where humans defeated their own demons, and now fly around space being awesome, empathetic and kind, using science and philosophy to help people and solve problems. Andor is about fighting evil space fascism, so almost the opposite of Star Trek really.
That being said, Andor is awesome and everyone should watch it.
Yeah, that's a 100% valid point, and thanks for taking the time to build it on top of my mostly-a-shitpost quip. :) But yes. I do agree. Let's say that Star Trek is the destination, and Andor the necessary starting point on the long journey. For those of us who won't live to see the destination, it's good to be reminded what it looks like.
I love both franchises, but there's a dark underbelly to Star Trek fandom. Not all trekkies are pedos, but a lot of pedos are trekkies. Maybe they are drawn to Utopianism. Maybe it's social camouflage for predatory behavior. I'd be on my guard around anyone sporting Star Trek merch just like someone wearing a crucifix.
The shirt:
I’ve always felt Sheeran looked a lot like Weyoun 6
Eh, I'm not seeing it.
lol fucking autocorrect
This is glorious
Maybe he looks more like Weyoun 4?
Wow, I genuinely LOLed at that. And woke my wife.
I wish that were true. He seems play more component characters than mine.
I saw this posted before elsewhere (but can't find it now). In that version, it was stated this was posted in a Star Wars forum, which makes it doubly hilarious if true.
Not quite. It was posted on Tumblr, by a star wars focused account, with star wars tags, so mainly star wars fans saw it (at first).
At no point during the poll was star wars in the lead, but the poll did breach containment and got seen by most of the nerd community there, which definitely did not help the voting spread.
It had to be tumblr because of the useless included comment as a modern day laugh track
This is such an accurate assessment, wow
Ah, thanks for the background!
I was just about to ask where it was posted...
Was it this?
Perhaps? I recall seeing it on Reddit as well a long while ago.
That is correct. I saw the same reference to the OG post on a SW forum last time this made the rounds.
what about someone in a stargate shirt
That's who you get your supply from
Treat them nice, they probably think all problems are solved with C4.
C4 solves every problem you have but also has a 97% chance of creating an even worse problem.
Makes me think of Jason from The Good Place.
Just keep applying C4 until you hit that 3%.
They better tell me where to find one.
And if another person tells me Chulak without giving me gate access, their butt is going to have a foothold situation.
Stargate shirt would be my homie
Indeed.
All three together for an interesting round of fuck/mary/kill.
What about a Lexx shirt
Horny on main.
What about a Space Cases shirt?
790 shirt, Xev shirt, Xev shirt, or Lyekka shirt?
Cool person. A Wormhole Xtreme shirt…super hoopy frood
Hoopy frood t-shirt, towel and a dressing gown?
Jail. Straight to jail.
I married her, but I guess that's a personal choice
Suspected rabid imperialist of their favorite air force propaganda less than zero trust.
I get where you're coming from, but I'd like to draw your attention to this particular exchange from SG-1 S01E16:
They were always a little coy about the propaganda angle.
Stargate SG-1 is a lot more anarchic than Star Trek ever gets. Most of its episodes are about a group of people that almost always relies on knowledge/expertise rather than rank for decisions, trying to do their best to give societies the tools for their own liberation.
In Star Trek, it is presented as enlightened that the protagonists will let a genocide happen if its victims are too primitive to have rights ("prime directive"). In Stargate, every injustice is worth fighting against and every person is worthy of fighting it.
In Star Trek, challenging a captain's bad decision is misconduct. In Stargate it's common sense. In Star Trek, slavery gets being reinvented by the good guys because beings aren't worthy of rights until proven otherwise. In Stargate, slavery requires a revolt.
The main propaganda of Stargate is that the US would facilitate this behavior, rather than seeking its own imperial supremacy.
I understand doubting whether people have this interpretation. At least an uncritical watcher of Star Trek will act like a
white saviorstarfleet officer and help until they find some reason to judge you. Uncritical Stargate watchers might actually believe the US military tries to help people structurally and support them.Shal'kek nem'ron.
Alternative interpretation: SG-1 team is basically the galaxy class cia, fomenting usa-friendly regime change on every planet they encounter.
Formenting in-group-friendly regime change can be good or bad, depending on what sort of behavior is construed as "-friendly". Some of my best friends forment in-group-friendly regime change.
SG-1 destroyed what would have been a very profitable ally because they were space nazis, and they helped space native Americans protect their land against destructive US mining practices.
Like with any show it's best to enjoy it critically. I enjoy SG-1 despite it positively depicting a space CIA just like I enjoy TNG despite it positively depicting a space British Royal Navy flagship.
Yup.
Star Wars is so heavily merchandised that you really can't tell anything about someone wearing a shirt with Yoda on it, impulse buy at a Wal-Mart. But show me someone wearing a Riker T-Shirt, and I'll show you someone who went to a convention or decided to order a shirt off of a website. More likely to be one of us harmless earnest dorks who knows who did what at Tenagra.
Lucas when the merch prevailed
Lucas, with Kenner.
Me, staring at a guy in a Star Wars shirt: "Bet he thinks he's the center of the universe."
Me, staring at a guy in a Redshirt: "This is the kind of person that'll catch a phaser for me."
Temba, his arms wide
Darmok and Jelad, on the ocean
It's a bit of a shame for Star Wars that Darth Vader and stormtroopers have become so iconic.
I chuckle whenever I think of the dude who got arrested for following around ICE agents with a speaker playing the Imperial March.
This dude understood the assignment, and had the balls to pass the test.
If you want to actually watch this rather than just give clicks to Microslop, https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=imperial+march+ice
With the laugh track edited out:
Can someone tell me what my reaction to this poll should be?
uncontrollable laughter
Thank you, the laugh track detracts from the rest of it.
Thank you! I thought it was just me
Not all Star Trek fans are deep thinkers.
Not many Star Wars fans are deep thinkers.
And that's all I have to say about that.
That's not fair! The poor blokes won't even understand they're being made fun if!
Tbh I was going to reply but I couldn't think of anything. (I'm a Farscape fan, not sure if that’s related?)
I'm pretty sure that Farscape fans fall into an entirely different Venn diagram.
One that overlaps with stargate?
Or sits within it
Much less unironic cardassian empire or dominion fans than the multitude of empire fans.
I would trust a person wearing a Terran Empire shirt more than a Star Wars Empire shirt.
Star Trek is just infinitely better and it’s a shame it’s always compared to Star Wars
Star Trek and Star Wars are apples and oranges. One doesn't have to be better because they're totally different things.
I'd say that used to be true, but now there's been a bunch of Star Wars, and there's a lot of material from both. Nothing from Star Wars really comes close to 90s Star Trek.
If we're talking the original movies, and even the prequels, then definitely. And I can't say I'm surprised it turned out that way, honestly.
Star Wars is shit though and I constantly have to see about it when trying to see about Star Trek
The Venn diagram of people who enjoy Star Wars and Star Trek is almost just one circle. You jiggle it a little, but your opinion isn't statistically significant.
One is a sci-fi and one is fantasy in space. Totally different genres.
100%, it's literally a samurai, a cowboy and a princess against and evil space wizard.
Kind of beside the point. If you're someone who's gonna watch a space movie, with aliens, and lasers, you're gonna watch both. I doubt many people care one's a space opera, and the other's fantasy in space, when they're 12, or really ever.
There's a lot of overlap I'm sure. But it's probably not nearly as close as you imagine it is. They're different enough that you could replace either circle with any vaguely sci-fi thing and get pretty similar results.
Hey, I know we're all just bullshitting, but dreaming up fake statistics to invalidate someone else's opinion is really fucking dumb. Also, using statistics at all to invalidate someone, as if we all have to ascribe to the majority opinion, is really fucking dumb. Just all-around really dumb.
But is it dumb?
The venn diagram of people who think it’s dumb is almost just one circle.
I watch Star Wars for blaster shootouts, space wizards, and spaceship fights.
I watch Star Trek for moral dilemmas, courtroom dramas, and sociopolitical commentary.
Except when I watch Andor then I watch it for all the above.
That’s a great way to see it, one is pulp fictiony for pure entertainment and the other deals with way more complex themes and gets you into some philosophical shit that can be fun to ponder on.
So you're saying you'd participate in the Star Trek wars, rather than the Star Wars trek?
Listen, I go to war in Star Trek, I'm probably fine. Maybe my ship gets blown up, maybe I get superpowers from an alien super consciousness. But by the end of the war I'll be fine.
I go anywhere in Star wars and the best case scenario I'm merely left alone to live in squalor.
Hey, the poll says, "trust more", not which one you'd trust at all.
Both IPs have had some real stinkers from their new owners, and both have now had quite a broad scope of styles of content, too. So it's a bit silly to say one is absolutely superior unless it's a question of opinion and taste.
Star Trek probably has more hours of good content, but that is solely because the older series had many seasons of 20+ episodes.
Valid point, I prefer the older stuff when given the choice. Seemed like they were tripping acid a lot more back then in the writers room and coming up with some really great stuff. They do seem to be worrying more about the visuals more and more lately than the content. I guess that comes with it being around so long, it gets harder to come up with zingers with time
I mean, they don't need to be zingers, just competently written. It'd help if they stuck to the core tenants of Trek, too...
Section 31. Nemesis. Into Darkness. Pre-Beard TNG.
Wesley.
Lovingly and respectfully, as a fellow sci-fi nerd, don't throw stones in glass starships.
It’s my opinion, it’s not dogma
You know, Wesley was an annoying teen but seeing him show up in Prodigy after having practiced his thought powers was pretty cool. Wish we could see more of that and the Protostar
The Dominion did nothing wrong!
I stand with Jellico!
Where does 40k fall on this spectrum? Is it just a nope by default or is it dependent on faction or memetics.
HEAVILY dependent on faction
I feel this is a very clever joke but I don't know enough lore to appreciate it.
Less a joke about the lore and more a joke about how some people get really weird about some factions, like the Death Corps of Krieg and the Black Templars who are fan favorites but also attract a very fashy side of the fan base. Personally I'm more of an Armageddon Steel Legion, Blood Ravens, Adeptus Mechanacus type of guy.
People who play Black Templars are always going to be either the most horrible or the sweetest person you have ever met with no inbetween
Inquisition!
Salamanders forever!!!
I feel like anyone who wears an Orks shirt would probably be a pretty chill person IRL
You can trust anyone with an admech shirt.
Trust me.
So long as they don't try to jack my shit by claiming it's the blessed by the machine god then we're good.
Where do we put Babylon 5 shirts on this scale?
If you value your lives, be somewhere else.
Ivanova is God.
Or if you prefer season 3, "God sent me."
One step above DS9 but all are welcome
Star Wars is too widely popular for much to be inferred by the shirt, whereas Star Trek fans tend to be more alike : nerdy, generally nice.
For me it would depend on what kind of Star Trek shirt it was. If it's just a shirt that says Star Trek then not really. But if they're wearing a fucking Starfleet uniform I will trust them with my goddamn life.
A lot of Star Wars fans are either idolizing the Empire and the Dark Side for their positions of power and control, or the Space Wizards who go out of their way to be naive and get struck down for the better good. If they're not wearing rebel gear, they're not default trustworthy.
If someone watches enough Trek to wear the gear and is open about it, they are at least not against diversity and equality in their fantasy choices.
Also, a lot of normies like Star Wars as a normal action franchise, so there's some general randomness to the sample. Star Trek pretty specifically appeals to that specific type of nerd, there's a lot more consistency in the results you can expect.
I wouldn't trust them until they told me which ST series they loved.
"I've only seen the Section 31 movie."
Valid.
Star Trek fans will help you fix the problem—Star Wars fans might become the problem 😂
I've met just as many idiotic Star Trek fans as Star wars. There usually is a big crossover.
I'd wear a Blake's 7 shirt if there was an iconic logo that wasn't also the emblem of the fascist reigime in-universe.
The bland target logo from Series D doesn't really appeal to me.
As Star Wars fan and someone who have been following the community for some time, i totally agreed with those people
I have 2 Trek shirts, 3 Star Wars, 2 Doctor Who, and a Stargate shirt. Where do I fall?
But one of my Trek shirts is a blue Andorian Mining Consortium shirt, (They run from no one) and it's so awesome.
If I was bleeding out in the street, and you approached me to help in a Doctor Who shirt, I would pretend I'd already died.
Damn didn't know the doctor who fandom was so hated
RamptantParanoia is sans Brackium Emendo, what is there to worry about?
Depends on the day I suppose.
You can't wear them all at once
I feel like it says more about the values of the fans than anything else. This isn't too say that Star Wars fans are bad as a fandom, but that Star Trek fans are more likely to help in times of need.
I enjoy Star Wars for specific reasons that I like in entertainment. The ragtag underdog fighting a strong oppressor and winning. The classic fantasy story, but in space. Swords. Small fighters dogfighting more than large ships shooting at each other.
Now, that's entertainment, in an action fantasy judgement. Would I want to live in a Star Wars universe over a Star Trek universe? Absolutely not. Do I agree with the moral guidelines of either major side of Star Wars? Again, not really. I definitely don't like the empire, but even the Jedi are too much of religious fundies to me. I also think the lessons/message of Trek is generally better too.
It's a bit like food that's tasty but not good for you. I enjoy it, but I'm not claiming it's the better of the two.
I dont really know shit about star trek but star wars is extremely overrated, i mean there were a few great movies but like nobody dresses up like characters from the godfather or citizen kane or idk any other great movies really. Idk lotr is super popular and it's awesome but idk lotr was also even better movies and still not as like a religion for people, like people make their whole identity being a star wars fan it's bizzare. Idk i just dont get star wars people i guess.
The character in these movies are simply regular somewhat well dressed people of their time.
Are you claiming that nobody ever wears a suit?
And people dress up as their favorite characters all the time. It's part of every fandom.
Yeah but theres a lot of star wars fans who only like star wars, yes there are plenty of cosplayers who will dress up as characters from many universes including star wars, but idk i guess ive had bad experiences with people who love star wars more than anything else.
And ive never seen star trek really but met a few trekkies and they were all awesome people idk just my anecdote i guess.
You have never been to Comicon or another, have you? 😉
I honestly don't even know what a star trek shirt would be (unless they mean the literal shirts they wear)
You sent me on a fun search rabbit hole.
It's tough to pick my favourite. The faux band shirt or the whatever you call this.
Shirts depicting the franchise not shirts the actors wear
Even in cosplay I'm picking a redshirt over a wookie.
What do you mean?
You guys talk about red shirts all day
These are not equivalent. A Star Wars shirt just has a picture of some characters or spaceships on it, but a Star Trek shirt could be Starfleet uniform.
This has more to do with popularity than star wars or strek itself.
No, it doesn't. I love both franchises, and I get the difference.
I'd say the opposite, actually. Star Wars is so mainstream that any douche could wear a T-shirt. Trek is a niche.
That's what im saying, tho.
Disney tax.
disney practically turned SW into slop like MCU.
Jokes on all of you...I sport a shirt with Leto the God Emperor of Dune on it.
For the greater good of humanity, I don't want to see our extinction. Leto truly was the least selfish person/god to ever grace the Duniverse.
Finally, a third worst option.
Star Wars guy might tell you to fuck off, give bad info over confidently, or expect something in return for their help
But God Emperor guy will lead you to a dark alley to shank you to protect the future gene pool from your weakness, and feel good about it.
It’s your fault for not seeing it coming really.
What about the one that has "From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh..."?
The style of shirts they wore in TOS are perfectly fine for casual wear too.
Maybe even business casual.
Or this one:
Business casual would be this one in particular.
This looks closer to loungewear to me.
Yup, that's the joke. Looks like loungewear, but it appears to technically be formal wear.
What is a Star Wars shirt?
Twinkle twinkle little star…
Pew pew pew
The end.
When I wear just Chewie's sexy bandoliers to the bedroom
It's a shirt which is engaging in interstellar warfare.
My kid's Storm Trooper PJs come to mind.
Unless Andor. Andor is the Star Trek of Star Wars.
I mean, I love Andor, but I didn't see much Utopia going on in it, which is kind of what makes Star Trek what it is: sci-fi where humans defeated their own demons, and now fly around space being awesome, empathetic and kind, using science and philosophy to help people and solve problems. Andor is about fighting evil space fascism, so almost the opposite of Star Trek really.
That being said, Andor is awesome and everyone should watch it.
Yeah, that's a 100% valid point, and thanks for taking the time to build it on top of my mostly-a-shitpost quip. :) But yes. I do agree. Let's say that Star Trek is the destination, and Andor the necessary starting point on the long journey. For those of us who won't live to see the destination, it's good to be reminded what it looks like.
Too bad all their new stuff is garbage.
I love both franchises, but there's a dark underbelly to Star Trek fandom. Not all trekkies are pedos, but a lot of pedos are trekkies. Maybe they are drawn to Utopianism. Maybe it's social camouflage for predatory behavior. I'd be on my guard around anyone sporting Star Trek merch just like someone wearing a crucifix.
Found the Star Wars fan.
How many SW fans thirsted for Clone Wars' Ahsoka?
Too goddamn many