I have seen so many thread saying how bad that instance is but every time I ask for links proving how bad they are I have never see anything worth the hate.
You just have a very high tolerance for jackassery. You've seen plenty of evidence of hexbear hostility, i.e. the "dunk tank" that would justify not wanting to interact with hexbear users and have actively chosen to disregard it.
This is because you're kind of a jackass. Disregarding people engaging in good faith with "just trust me bro" is exactly the kind of thing people really hate hexbear users for. Not because of illegal activity or moral failing, but because they're assholes. While you may think this isn't worth de-federation, unfortunately moderators aren't some kind of legal authority, and if federating with hexbear means instance admins or community moderators need to put in triple the work to prune all the arguments and """shitposting""" hexbear users love, nobody is legally or morally required to put up with it.
It's legitimately that simple. Hexbear users are jerks and nobody wants to hang out with them, and that's enough to ban them from any given community or instance.
I'm also probably kind if a jackass, because hex bear doesn't bother me. Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No. So I just don't interact. The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.
Basically the whole Hexbear most upvoted consensus was that all US presidents deserve to be executed, the DNC and GOP are the same, but Trump at least is funny, kind of authentic, and triggers the libs.
Also lol that observer article aged like fucking milk. Clinton couldn't have found a better way to self-destruct her chances at winning the election.
we think its funny that libs are mad at realizing the system is shit, so obviously we are the only ideology in existence besides democrat= a republican
A HUGE PORTION OF HEXBEAR IS TRANS. OVER HALF THE MODS ARE TRANS. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR THREE YEARS PRIOR TO FEDERATION. FAE, PEOPLE HAVE POINTED THIS OUT TO YOU BEFORE. PROBABLY MULTIPLE TIMES NOW.
We've never "pretended to support lgbt", why would we? What would be the point of a load of alt right channers roleplaying as queer communists for years on an incredibly niche social media in the hope that eventually redditors would come to the site? And even supposing we did, and we were all just alt right types, if we'd spent years doing reading groups of queer theory together and kicking out transphobes and creating the most queer friendly space on lemmy just as an incredibly long extended bit then would the supposed communists we're impersonating even take issue with that?
Like just use some critical thinking, at this point almost half of the sites users are trans and most of the rest are queer, most new users cite our radical opposition to queerphobia as their reason for joining, what evidence is there that we lie about being queer friendly? Like just check out [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected] and tell me in good faith that all these people have been lying for years about being queer
Identiy politics is so silly. It's possible for a black person to support systemic racism, it's possible for a Jewish person to support Nazi's, it's possible for LGBTQ people to support anti-LGBTQ politicians. Case in point - Jessica Watkins.
"I am x-identity" is lazy, superficial, irrelevant.
I don't think anyone is lying about their identity. I do fully expect that the trans men and women of Hexbear would throw their LGBTQ brothers and sisters in front of a firing squad if it meant a chance at a bloody revolution over the bourgeois.
But THEY DON'T SUPPORT THOSE THINGS! YOU'RE MAKING SHIT UP. THIS IS EASY TO SEE IF YOU GO LOOK AT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAY ABOUT FASCISTS AND TRANSPHOBES. YOU HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR AT LEAST A FUCKING WEEK NOW.
Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No.
People have actually had that conversation. You just have to seem curious and not too accusatory. Also — depending on how skeptical you come across — it might help to keep your questions specific so they don't feel like they have to defend their entire perspective in one fell swoop, although some might be up for that.
They're aware that their perspective tends to be vilified and poorly understood, which both makes them wary of people but also enthusiastic to respond when they find someone they think is actually interested in what they have to say. If I showed them your comment they'd probably be like "hell yeah, send him in."
*I made a thread and I was going to link it to you if you wanted to ask questions, but I realized you're defederated
I was called a bigot because I dared to say that a person finished transitioning is no longer trans.
Because they're done. They're a man or woman now, and apparently treating them as such means I'm a bigot.
This isn't defense, this behavior actively makes things worse for trans people. This is the exact type of behavior conservatives want you to think of when they say "trans people bad".
This is why, this statement means that you don't view trans people who haven't "finished transitioning" as their actual gender. This is a transphobic and pretty reductive understanding of how transition works (albeit one that some trans people hold themselves, usually transmeds). I won't write an entire essay on why but here's just a small bit to chew on: consider that a "finished transition" is very different from person to person and some people might never consider it finished. Some people only want to socially transition, others have to medicate for their entire lives, both could consider reaching their ideal state "finished" or they could consider it a continual work in progress.
Also,
This isn’t defense, this behavior actively makes things worse for trans people.
The idea that pointing out someone's transphobia will somehow support the transphobes is laughable. If being called out is seriously enough to make someone stop supporting trans people then their support was conditional and only surface-level.
Staying civil, as you suggest, is what actually helps conservatives since it allows their views to go unchallenged when their views are bad and should be challenged. Part of this includes challenging people who may think they are supportive but harbour transphobic beliefs that they haven't analysed fully. And these wrong beliefs can have actual harm. As a simple example, there are a lot of "allies" who say that trans people are their gender but not their sex, which is a belief that can harm trans people when brought into a medical context where our bodies are (if on HRT) closer to those of our actual gender than to our AGAB.
If you are not trans shut the fuck up right now about what is or isn't good for trans people, trans people do not need a cis saviour to come in and tell us we're being too unpalatable for liberals who will only support us as long as we don't get too uppity
This whole thread is about the historical context around the summary execution of the romanovs. While the tzars absolutely needed to end, in the context of the 1910s and absolute monarchy, if the children didn't die there would have likely been civil war trying to reinstate the line into power.
Is a much better receipt. User doesn't understand the winnie the pooh reference, also doesn't understand the PRCs effort to stifle discussion about TSM and the pressure that firsthand witnesses are under.
even with this guy, I don't understand how a user being an idiot is worth defederating. If he's going into other threads and spouting the same nonsense, sure ban him. If many people are going into other unrelated threads and injecting that kind of misinformation into conversation, that's a pattern that makes defederating a consideration.
Is there this pattern, of other communities being disrupted in this way?
Yeah the communities dedicated to screenshotting posts in other instances are a really fucking odd thing I see show up routinely.
It has always appeared to me there is some kind of side squabble between various communities in the Fediverse against a couple instances in the Fediverse. I pretty much see two flavors: overly personal grudges or hypocritical trolling. Or I guess the swirl option for both, so three flavors.
It's kind of nostalgic really, for the old days of forum flame wars.
Lol, that's because the mods of said threads already had to delete all the bullshit they posted once they "accidentally found this on all" and then descent on it like locusts (but they're totally not brigading!!!1!)
How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?
Part of the drama with that incident included hexbear folks straight up saying “I thought the whole point of federating with other instances was so that we could dunk on liberals”. Majority of folks on hexbear did not see any issues with the behavior of their members on this post.
Oh wow, there's more hexbear comments than blahaj comments. Almost every blahaj comment has like 3-4 responses. I read a comment of someone saying that the thread looks wildly different if you see it from an instance that defederated them, and it's so sad that it is completely different.
Just throwing out the word tankie is pretty much meaningless at this point. It might as well be “woke”. If you have specific issues explain that rather than just trying to shut down a conversation with a word. Some users might be a bit too sympathetic too China but I’ve typically seen them more come from a reasonable non US propaganda viewpoint and have been open to actual criticism about China. Some of it can seem like whataboutism but to be fair a lot of the complaints I see about China are shit the US does as well so it can be a fair point.
In terms of the "tankie problem", it's mostly supporting Russian aggression in Ukraine pretty much solely to "own the libs" and "get back at the evil NATO". Most "tankies", a term that has become effectively meaningless from overuse, are more accurately political contrarians who care less about things getting better for more people and more about Owning The Libs.
There's honestly a good chunk of them on most fediverse instances just due to the general community vibe, with Hexbear having more than, say, lemmy.world, but less than lemmygrad. Hexbear stands out moreso to being the successor to Chapo Trap House, a community notorious for being so utterly vile to interact with that nobody wants anything to do with them.
I appreciate you actually explaining your position behind the use of the word. I have a lot of issues with NATO and some with Ukraine but I agree that Russia is the aggressor in this situation. I have noticed that some of their users are pro-Russia but most of what I’ve seen is more anti-NATO which I can understand. As I said in another comment I definitely see some of the users troll more than I agree with and I personally prefer to deal with things in a different manner but overall I’m fine with being federated with them.
Not to mention unironic Russia shilling. When I called out a mod he responded with "oh yeah well America worked with nazis."
Cool. That's bad too. They're contrarian to the point of parody. Literally any wrong by China Russia or north Korea is justified by "well America did the same thing" as if leftists as a whole aren't already on board with that thing being bad, but it still doesn't excuse that bad thing now.
I haven't really had any issues with them.
That said, literally the thread above this one in all top hour has a bunch of people hoping Biden gets COVID and dies...so there is that.
For sure, I'm not advocating blocking or defederating at all. But you asked for examples of hexbear being unsavory and I provided one. That is all. It would be more of an accumulation instead of one singular instance that might push some over the edge.
I went to a link below and honestly, as another commenter succinctly summarized as “whiny butthurt Nazis” was a giant “freedom” murica style. Seriously, my eyes hurt, I left.
No you may not have a link. Linking to bad things makes a person bad. Providing evidence of bad things makes a person bad. Anything other than belief makes you bad. In fact I think you must be one of the bad people, because evidence of righteous claims supports the idea that righteous claims require evidence, which is bad.
It's not everyone on the internet's responsibility to change their opinion to match yours. It is incredibly narrow minded to assume that someone would just do "research" and end with the same opinion of a group of people as you.
If you see someone express an opinion, and you don't know why, you ask them, not go to other sources to find why.
Yeah, I'm sure you formed that opinion on a factual basis that you found through no help from what others posted or said. When I want to learn something, I do research on books and online media. When I want to understand someone's opinion, I ask them. If you don't know the difference between those two, your problems stem way earlier than "after school".
You sound like the closeted book nerd that doesn't understand public opinion. Like all the people on Twitter who once read something about "blacks are more violent than other races", and if you ask them why they think that, how many stats they read that confirm that, possibilities of other reasons for a study's conclusion, they respond with "It’s not the rest of the internet’s responsibility to do your research for you"- sound familiar?
If you want to accuse this "intensely human" person of lying, just do it. But claiming that anyone who hasn't seen an example within thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands? Only been around for 2 months, but millions of site uses) of posts of users being "tankies" just needs to "research" is obtuse and moronic. If someone makes the claim, surely they have an example, and don't expect everyone who sees this meme to read thousands of messages before continuing on their journey through !memes.
Except you, of course, who has clearly learned after school not to rely on others, so you must have read all of the comments from various hexbear users yourself, and not taken that opinion from some other poster's list, right? You did waste all that time before suggesting others do the same for no reason, right?
They're so far to the left I don't even consider them left anymore. They've fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right (but not racist so much as intensely totalitarian).
I'm saying that both are authoritarian. Both are incompatible with Democracy and the current rules based international order, which when working correctly can prevent genocide from occurring (i.e. if the UN peacekeeping missions actually do their job).
the Bogus moral equivalence of the Holocaust has been from the time of the actual massacres the myth that the Jews were all Communists and got what they deserved because Communism was every bit as genocidal as Nazism. Hence what the Jews call the Holocaust is a kind of opposite and equal reaction to the first genocide, the crimes of Communism.
First of all, this was not what I was implying. I never said that Communists were equally as genocidal as Nazis, nor that I deny that the Holocaust occurred. Putting words in my mouth is arguing in bad faith.
I am saying that the Tankies on the left support the same type of authoritarian policies that are prevalent on the right. While actions like, for example, the Tiananmen square massacre are not as large in scope as the Holocaust, accepting the CCP party line on the issue is antithetical to human rights, just as any massacre is. Supporting authoritarian regimes that do this is, in fact, just as bad regardless of whether the party is "left" or "right".
Did the Holocaust occur? Yes. Did it result in the death of millions of Jews at the hands of the Nazis? Yes. I'm not disputing any of these facts, so please do not suggest that I am denying the Holocaust.
Ever wanted to be talked down to by a 14 year old alt-right sociopath who pretends to support lgbt so they can stealthily insult liberals and blame western whites for how China is?
Edit; downvote more, at the end of the day you're still a hexbear 🤢
No, celebrations of any kind are western propaganda. Your question has been audited and was found to have negative implications towards the state. Shock troops have been dispatched to your most recent location, have a great day, comrade.
holy fuck I laughed out loud at this outside by myself at ten to 1am .. I didnt know what hexbear was, soooo, I reported a post for saying that anyone who ever supports a democratic candidate in america needs to be hit by a truck, and that violence needs to befall them, so the mod I reported it to posted my username and announced I had reported it in a comment to that post. people then piled on saying how I was a hypocrite and deserved violence brought against me, because violence has been done by cops agains homeless and trans people. also, that all I care about is getting brunch
For the majority who don't know, 9gag is a Hong Kong based meme recycling organization run by people who are equally intolerant of lactose and melanin.
They’ve decided a radically inclusive, three-year-old community of lefties who were here well before there was any serious activity on Lemmy are secret fascists who only pretend to be heavily LGBT for laughs. How are you supposed to respond to that? It’s hugely insulting and absurd on its face.
We've never "pretended to support lgbt", why would we? What would be the point of a load of alt right channers roleplaying as queer communists for years on an incredibly niche social media in the hope that eventually redditors would come to the site? And even supposing we did, and we were all just alt right types, if we'd spent years doing reading groups of queer theory together and kicking out transphobes and creating the most queer friendly space on lemmy just as an incredibly long extended bit then would the supposed communists we're impersonating even take issue with that?
Like just use some critical thinking, at this point almost half of the sites users are trans and most of the rest are queer, most new users cite our radical opposition to queerphobia as their reason for joining, what evidence is there that we lie about being queer friendly? Like just check out [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected] and tell me in good faith that all these people have been lying for years about being queer
According to some weird red-brown alliance “patriotic socialists,” “maga communists,” or whatever they’re calling themselves now (The first one was probably way too on the nose). We’re not them though. We even immediately drove one of the main figures behind that cryptofash bullshit out, and now they’re just a semi-regular feature in the dunk tank.
/Edit - May be confusing the drumming out with another far less edgy community and/or the r/CTH days. Folks like that are prolific about trying to wedge their way in. Latter point there still stands though.
Ask lemmygrad folks whether hexbear or lemmygrad has more trans users. Theyll say hexbear. Lemmygrad doesn't even have pronouns listed in username as default and they have 20 percent trans users.
Trump is so broke he can't pay his lawyers and is selling coffee cups with his mugshot on them but, okay? Hopefully he's in prison one day for all he's done.
Their instance, I gather, is set to NOT federate with anyone by default, and their admins need to manually add other instances to their federation. Most instances are set to federate by default, so they need to un-federate with another instance here and there.
Some whine that they did not want federation in the first place and the mods did it without their consent. Slightly ironic considering they do not like democracy (although they claim you can have democracy without voting...somehow).
Wrong, there are at least 8 other parties in congress and at local levels you don’t need to be a member of any party to be elected to certain posts. Where’s your evidence of the votes being fixed? You’re just lying and making things up about spooky enemy country
There are literally millions of elections in China every year, what the actual fuck are you talking about? Who told you they don’t vote for their representatives? They lied to you.
every person there will describe their democratic beliefs, all of whom have a voting system with representatives. That is basic leftism. Are you lying or just born a fool?
Oh this was an excursion to see my "caught in 4k" glory. Nothing more. I want hexbear out of anyone's reach, but that does not mean I want you guys out of my reach.
China isn't fascist, it is an capitalist/socialist mixed industrial economy with a ruling socialist party. Russia is literally just another oligarchy with opposed interests to US Oligarchy, they don't have the important base economic markers characteristic of fascism and yes, the article opposes equating fascists and communists.
Jewish people arent the only people who ever were victim to fascism....
To say china commits a holocaust is holocause trivialization. To say it is a fascist country is not.
To say it is a fascist country is making fascism look better then it is. Fascism doesn't have 95 percent of the population approving of the government. Fascism doesn't exempt minorities from the one child policy. Fascism doesn't end extreme poverty in a country of 1.4 billion people. Fascism doesn't lead to trans youth Healthcare clinics sprouting up in major cities.
I don‘t think the linked text supports your argument at all. Calling the chinese fascists in light of the way they treat their citizens in general and the genocide against the Uyghurs especially is not at all comparable to eastern European nations revering people that murdered yews.
No offense but you missed the point. The most extreme claim from a german christian fascist was that China has 1 million people in reducation camps.That is not equivalent to the intentional extermination of 11 million people, before we count the 19 million soviet civilians who died during the german invasion outside the concentration camps.
So you know the Lemmy instance Lemmy.world? Well, there is another instance called hexbear... Which is full of hardcore, Stalinist communist. And every user of every other instance hates them
Why do people always put labels on them as if that's the reason they are idiots. It's not. There just a bunch of obnoxious trolls that have made it their mission to annoy other instances.
Fearful that a high-level national hero might be killed, Soviet officials banned Gagarin from participating in further spaceflights. After completing training at the Zhukovsky Air Force Engineering Academy in February 1968, he was again allowed to fly regular aircraft. However, Gagarin died five weeks later, when the MiG-15 that he was piloting with flight instructor Vladimir Seryogin crashed near the town of Kirzhach
There's nothing inherently wrong with Marxism though (not that you said there was, I just get the impression some people are calling them socialists as if it's inherently an evil thing), they're entitled to their opinions on an alternative to capitalism, it doesn't make them bad or weird people.
I gather from what I've read here that people mostly don't get along with them because they are awful, terrible people (and honestly may not even be proper Marxists but maybe just posers, using it as a perfunctory label, idk).
I'd gladly be friends with a Marxist, but friends with an authoritarian, or a xenophobe, etc? Absolutely not. Regardless of their other political or economic opinions.
I'm an anarchist myself, so marxists are my brothers and sisters. So far, I've only seen displays of great inclusiveness from them (apart from telling me to fuck off, lol). However there's a lot of different types over on hexbear, some of them definitely being angry edgy teenagers. Still, definitely not a xenophobic bunch. I feel the general sentiment isn't warranted.
Similar experience. Great experiences until saying something that gets misconstrued due to lack of context and pitchforks come out. Then, some continue positive interactions and mods step in to curb unwarranted hostility. Still, despite getting singed a bit, it's overall been incredibly inclusive.
It's a lemmy instance full of edge lords who are pro-totiltarian communism. The bulk of them think Mao and Stalin were good. Deny any atrocities committed by USSR/China. Also, for some reason tend to be super pro Russia. Due to NATO being on the opposite side they support Russia and call Ukrainian/NATO nations Nazis.
Instance is hexbear.net, check it out for yourself, doesn't work in browser for me without an account but it does work in liftoff without one for some reason.
It is weird that a lot of commenters here want to tell you what they are but don't say how to find this information by yourself.
Then they might find out the "they're all just tankies!" line is a lie, there's shitty people on all instances, just so happens this one leans very left beyond neo liberalism and therefore it's bad!
Throw in that they all totally support Putin and Mao and don't really support LGBT! And you've got most normies nodding along with defederating
Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist/"Left" Authoritarian Communism is just authoritarian nationalist state capitalism that uses classist rhetoric instead of (or as well as) racist rhetoric.
And before people call me a tankie: Anything authoritarian is trash-tier shit.
Just for information the death count of gulags is largely unknown. Russia itself says its 1 million but pretty much all other sources say its too low to be even believable. There are credible sources for 1.5 to 8 million deaths (also non-credible sources that go much higher). Unfortunately unlike the nazies, soviets did not really have record keeping at all so all sources are estimates based to prisoner and guard writings. Another factor that makes estimates hard is the practice of when a prisoner was near death they would be shipped home, a lot of those never made it home but don't count as killed by a gulag.
There was also mass deportations from satellite states that weren't sent to gulags presumably but that's a different thing.
Right, and it's hard to decide how to account for someone crippled for life, or otherwise permanently altered, but the 1.5+ million is the best sourced claim we have.
I don't want to defend gulags but they didn't have poison shower rooms or child corpse disposal staff.
Neither did concentration camps:
"Interned persons may be held in prisons or in facilities known as internment camps (also known as concentration camps). The term concentration camp originates from the Spanish–Cuban Ten Years' War when Spanish forces detained Cuban civilians in camps in order to more easily combat guerrilla forces. Over the following decades the British during the Second Boer War and the Americans during the Philippine–American War also used concentration camps.
The term "concentration camp" and "internment camp" are used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the rule of law. Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as "concentration camps"."
No, I don't know which ones "he" meant, because nobody mentioned Nazis, and apparently you still haven't understood the difference between concentration and death camps, and assuming everyone here is male is also kind of yuck you know.
This comment chain doesn't have the words "authoritarian nationalist state capitalism." in it, and you don't know shit about anything, go back to facebook.
I'm also not your fucking "bro", asshole, get lost.
Not every right wing extremist caused the holocaust, and besides, if you compare all right wing extremists with the nazis at their peak power, you could also consider yourself a stalinist for downplaying his actions by simplifying history as some people I disagree with
If you compare right wingers with little power to left wingers with little power you get mass shooters vs mutual aid enthusiasts.
If you compare right wingers with a lot of power to left wingers with a lot of power, the fascists have a spectacular kill count and the left wingers are less bad than the bourgeois democracy baseline.
I don't really care about the hexbears either way, the ones I've seen haven't been too bad though I've heard there are some really bad ones
What bothers me more is how quick mods seem to be to shut down any discussion about them whatsoever
Went on the Lemmy matrix to ask about them one time and I just got one guy flooding the chat with "you should observe for yourself and form your own opinions"
Who said I wasn't also doing that? It's not mutually exclusive, just a quick way to get a read on people's sentiment towards them and to try to figure out why people shut down discussion about them so consistently
If the people shutting down discussions like that are tankies then they're a damn sight more subtle about it than literally having "Stalinism" in their username
Because the truth is easier to find in person rather than through many other people's filters, and the way you wrote it, it seemed like you thought that was a very stupid suggestion... Glad to hear you think it isn't
A large part of it is a fanbase of Chapo Trap House which has a particular brand of humor that is rampant with esoteric inside jokes that are vulgar as a point, let alone to the extreme.
That humor, especially without that frame of reference, usually offends your average internet denizen.
I saw what I think was a post by an admin asking if lemmy world should defederate with hexbear and I don't recall ever seeing hexbear posts or super trolly or racist or commie posts/comments. I'm with you, op. I have no idea what's going on, and I suspect it's better that way.
Have a bunch of them made alts on Lemmy .ml? I feel like this comment section ripe with bears that are on .ml. I suppose being able to make alts is one of the advantages of being decentralized.
I think it may be referring to the people who blame all social ills on “corporate greed” and think that belong leftist is exclusively being anti-capitalist. I think this may go along with some pro-Putin/pro-Xi viewpoints, possibly because they believe that “the west” is bad and capitalist, Andy anyone who opposes it is anti-capitalist and good.
I’m glad I know who these people are, so I can be more careful of them. Both here and on Reddit it felt like I was trapped in a bubble with these guys.
Think they’re way overhated, yes some of the users can troll a bit too much but they’re generally fine and I appreciate that they help stomp out fascist, racist, and anti-trans rhetoric on Lemmy.
It's not. The Chinese government is an abusive autocracy that doesn't respect the "rights" of its people and answers to nothing and no one other than Xi and profits and power. Those three things are king.
Marxists and fascists are two sides of the same coin. They may have somewhat different end goals, but they're alike in having zero regard for the democratic will of the people. May every Hexbear troll be accursed.
Authoritarian, yes, fascist, no. We need the term fascist at the moment to call out actual fascists, diluting it by using it label people who aren't fascists but are also problematic plays directly into the misinformation the fascists thrive on
Exactly, I’m getting sick to death of the overuse of the terms fascism and nazism because they’re being used to describe everyone with a totalitarian bent. Yes, the GOP have fascistic tendencies, so it’s apt, but the real operative word to use in pretty much all of these cases is authoritarianism. And whether they’re [actual] fascists or communists, authoritarians are reprehensible. The Nazis were irredeemable but—and I say this as a socialist—so were the Soviets.
They openly brigade submissions and comments on other instances and harass anyone they don't agree with. It's not just some of the users it's almost entirely the point of the community existing. Their comments are almost entirely sarcastic, and add nothing to conversation or even debate.
Feel free to show us one single instance where they "stamped out fascist, racist, [or] anti-trans rhetoric" because I don't believe you.
https://lemmy.one/post/2831169
Think I linked this right (haven’t tried since I switched to voyager). I can have more later this week if you want but it’s Labor Day weekend here and im drinking with family and you said literally one instance.
That's a dead link bro edit :actually, what's weird is the hyperlink is broken but the link itself seems to be working when you copy the text of your link.
Right, because they NEVER used pig shit balls that's not a custom emoji picture on their insurance or anything, and they don't have a "libsgetdunkedon" or equivalent community, where they say shit like that constantly. Riiiight.
But of course you have to deny reality to be on the mental level of a lemmygrad poster
I honestly have no idea what they stand for. Their posts are so confusing and non coherent. I'm sure a lot of it is because sarcasm doesn't work with text unless you have context. But without context, all it comes across as is a bunch of trolls who just love to hate
They are a tossup of ccp communists, hard left leninists and general anti westerners. They constantly bully people to remind them that they are smarter than you and they are eager to showcase this. They post screenshots of comments they want to target on their main page and links so they can brigade. If you even bother interacting, they will spam you with the intent of getting you to peer into their carefully chosen pieces of information to steer you toward communism. They are a nuisance and i have learned that if you can easily bait them into saying awful things.
Their whole stance is bizarre. It would be like if I believed every country should be democratic, but if any non-democratic foreigner asked me about it I said, "well I'm not going to even talk to you until you've read every bit of democratic theory, and even if you do, I'm not going to admit or discuss any criticism of democracy. Also, you are evil for just being born in your evil country." They can't possibly expect to convert anyone that way.
They’re a left wing group that uses a lot of sarcasm and trolling. It can be a bit off putting to most but a lot of it comes from the fact that most people don’t bother reading or looking beyond US propaganda so it can be frustrating talking to people like that. Personally I try to come at things a bit more openly but I can understand the frustration of dealing with people that don’t put in much effort to understand the nuances of geopolitical topics.
I don’t support messages like that but I’ve seen similar messages from racists and fascists from other instances too, does that mean every instance where a small portion of the users DM fucked up shit should be defederated?
Not great, but nowhere near the same level of problem in the west where most of us are commenting from right now, so your whataboutism is irrelevant. Wanna try again?
I believe trans refers to gender assigned at birth, so unless someone detransitions or time travels to change their birth gender I don't think fully transitioning can make you not trans.
Trans people continuing to call themselves trans after transitioning is an entirely different topic.
My point is that I accept trans people.
Someone wanting to call themselves trans after transitioning, in no way, justifies calling me a bigot. That is the most braindead way to try and influence change in the world.
Hexadytes are cancer. They're cancer here, they were cancer on
/r/chapostraphouse.
You know, Bob Altemeyer wrote a book about rwa, if anyone’s not read it, it’s illuminating. At this juncture, I’ve had way too much Nazi authoritarian propaganda, I’d like to hear the other, and be free to ask questions and form my own opinions. That hope was doomed from the jump, and I should’ve guessed.
Eh, I thought the same, but then after reading their comments, it's like going from one authoritarian extremist ideology to another authoritarian extremist ideology. Especially when both pro Nazis and pro commies seem to both boil down to being just pro Putin fanatics. I'm wondering if the propaganda doesn't come from the same place trying to capture both spectrums.
snarky know-it-alls that believe that they possess the most advanced political analysis derived almost exclusively from parroting reddit comments which have slowly turned their brains into velveeta
but anyway, enough about Lemmitors.
Hexbears are actually a nice bunch if you read through the comments on the current megathread. They just have very little tolerance for self-satisfied libs that congratulate themselves for thumping the Washington consensus-approved ideologies that most of hexbear graduated from years ago. Even I find it difficult to read lemmy comments because they're legitimately what I would've written as a teenage redditor in the late 2000s.
It’s a bunch of woke lefties that want to tax billionaires and shove their gay agenda down my throat. They hate honest hard working landlords and CEOS and shill for the lazy poors.
People who think being a jackass is a form of activism. That's all you really need to know.
Uh hello, it's called jacktivism.
Oh right! I thought that was... uhhh ... something else
you're thinking of jackitvision
Is that the one that makes you go blind?
I think it’s the name of Jack Black’s twitch channel.
you’re thinking of jacksepticeye
We need a new name for the ol Reddit switcheroo
Hold my naked blade, I'm going in
I like where this is going
I have seen so many thread saying how bad that instance is but every time I ask for links proving how bad they are I have never see anything worth the hate.
Can you provide some examples?
You just have a very high tolerance for jackassery. You've seen plenty of evidence of hexbear hostility, i.e. the "dunk tank" that would justify not wanting to interact with hexbear users and have actively chosen to disregard it.
This is because you're kind of a jackass. Disregarding people engaging in good faith with "just trust me bro" is exactly the kind of thing people really hate hexbear users for. Not because of illegal activity or moral failing, but because they're assholes. While you may think this isn't worth de-federation, unfortunately moderators aren't some kind of legal authority, and if federating with hexbear means instance admins or community moderators need to put in triple the work to prune all the arguments and """shitposting""" hexbear users love, nobody is legally or morally required to put up with it.
It's legitimately that simple. Hexbear users are jerks and nobody wants to hang out with them, and that's enough to ban them from any given community or instance.
For anyone curious:
Source for the thread where that image comes from.
The whole thread is pretty eye opening to be honest. Especially the top comment.
Best point I've read made here.
I'm also probably kind if a jackass, because hex bear doesn't bother me. Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No. So I just don't interact. The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.
It's not really genuine though. They lightly elevate trump above all other presidents despite his history of attacking LGBTQ rights: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/09/trumps-record-lgbtq-rights-vile-moment-took-office-kept-list/
It's just a political angle to get support from people who feel isolated away from other political movements.
Lol what, who on hexbear is elevating trump, this is a hilarious take.
Also just gonna leave this here https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/
Basically the whole Hexbear most upvoted consensus was that all US presidents deserve to be executed, the DNC and GOP are the same, but Trump at least is funny, kind of authentic, and triggers the libs.
Also lol that observer article aged like fucking milk. Clinton couldn't have found a better way to self-destruct her chances at winning the election.
If you want more: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/yikes-new-behind-the-scenes-book-brutalizes-the-clinton-campaign-123303/
Can you show me where this post was on Hexbear?
Also yeah the Clinton campaign fucked itself in many ways, trump just being one that we all get to deal with on a daily basis still
we think its funny that libs are mad at realizing the system is shit, so obviously we are the only ideology in existence besides democrat= a republican
Here FaeDrifter is again saying this shit.
A HUGE PORTION OF HEXBEAR IS TRANS. OVER HALF THE MODS ARE TRANS. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR THREE YEARS PRIOR TO FEDERATION. FAE, PEOPLE HAVE POINTED THIS OUT TO YOU BEFORE. PROBABLY MULTIPLE TIMES NOW.
See @[email protected] in this very thread:
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3504748
Identiy politics is so silly. It's possible for a black person to support systemic racism, it's possible for a Jewish person to support Nazi's, it's possible for LGBTQ people to support anti-LGBTQ politicians. Case in point - Jessica Watkins.
"I am x-identity" is lazy, superficial, irrelevant.
I don't think anyone is lying about their identity. I do fully expect that the trans men and women of Hexbear would throw their LGBTQ brothers and sisters in front of a firing squad if it meant a chance at a bloody revolution over the bourgeois.
But THEY DON'T SUPPORT THOSE THINGS! YOU'RE MAKING SHIT UP. THIS IS EASY TO SEE IF YOU GO LOOK AT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAY ABOUT FASCISTS AND TRANSPHOBES. YOU HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR AT LEAST A FUCKING WEEK NOW.
Fucking BINGO.
These suxbears are just trying to do a psyop. They aren't good at it either. Xi could have trained them much better is all I'm saying.
Aren't you the guy who admitted earlier you were lying about them just to stir shit?
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3381095 (scroll down to the bottom)
Is your shit thoroughly stirred?
My inbox sure is. Keep the brain-drain flowing my way.
Also, Donald Trump is a communist.
People have actually had that conversation. You just have to seem curious and not too accusatory. Also — depending on how skeptical you come across — it might help to keep your questions specific so they don't feel like they have to defend their entire perspective in one fell swoop, although some might be up for that.
They're aware that their perspective tends to be vilified and poorly understood, which both makes them wary of people but also enthusiastic to respond when they find someone they think is actually interested in what they have to say. If I showed them your comment they'd probably be like "hell yeah, send him in."
*I made a thread and I was going to link it to you if you wanted to ask questions, but I realized you're defederated
I was called a bigot because I dared to say that a person finished transitioning is no longer trans.
Because they're done. They're a man or woman now, and apparently treating them as such means I'm a bigot.
This isn't defense, this behavior actively makes things worse for trans people. This is the exact type of behavior conservatives want you to think of when they say "trans people bad".
This is why, this statement means that you don't view trans people who haven't "finished transitioning" as their actual gender. This is a transphobic and pretty reductive understanding of how transition works (albeit one that some trans people hold themselves, usually transmeds). I won't write an entire essay on why but here's just a small bit to chew on: consider that a "finished transition" is very different from person to person and some people might never consider it finished. Some people only want to socially transition, others have to medicate for their entire lives, both could consider reaching their ideal state "finished" or they could consider it a continual work in progress.
Also,
The idea that pointing out someone's transphobia will somehow support the transphobes is laughable. If being called out is seriously enough to make someone stop supporting trans people then their support was conditional and only surface-level.
Staying civil, as you suggest, is what actually helps conservatives since it allows their views to go unchallenged when their views are bad and should be challenged. Part of this includes challenging people who may think they are supportive but harbour transphobic beliefs that they haven't analysed fully. And these wrong beliefs can have actual harm. As a simple example, there are a lot of "allies" who say that trans people are their gender but not their sex, which is a belief that can harm trans people when brought into a medical context where our bodies are (if on HRT) closer to those of our actual gender than to our AGAB.
If you are not trans shut the fuck up right now about what is or isn't good for trans people, trans people do not need a cis saviour to come in and tell us we're being too unpalatable for liberals who will only support us as long as we don't get too uppity
There it is, rabid dog behavior.
You give the conservatives everything they need hexadyte.
thats bigoted you fucking godless removed
I would love to put the entire imperial core in a giant fucking prison and re-educate all of you into communists. Its my favorite fantasy.
This is not a good argument, which is going to elicit the response he had no matter the context.
People don't put the effort into showing receipts. And sometimes the receipts are about murders that happened over 100 years ago? This post about the tzars https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/424265/Hexbearians-frustrated-that-user-draws-the-line-at-child-murder
This whole thread is about the historical context around the summary execution of the romanovs. While the tzars absolutely needed to end, in the context of the 1910s and absolute monarchy, if the children didn't die there would have likely been civil war trying to reinstate the line into power.
THIS https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/419779/This-Comm-is-Racist-Thought-Terminating-Nonsense
Is a much better receipt. User doesn't understand the winnie the pooh reference, also doesn't understand the PRCs effort to stifle discussion about TSM and the pressure that firsthand witnesses are under.
even with this guy, I don't understand how a user being an idiot is worth defederating. If he's going into other threads and spouting the same nonsense, sure ban him. If many people are going into other unrelated threads and injecting that kind of misinformation into conversation, that's a pattern that makes defederating a consideration.
Is there this pattern, of other communities being disrupted in this way?
Yeah the communities dedicated to screenshotting posts in other instances are a really fucking odd thing I see show up routinely.
It has always appeared to me there is some kind of side squabble between various communities in the Fediverse against a couple instances in the Fediverse. I pretty much see two flavors: overly personal grudges or hypocritical trolling. Or I guess the swirl option for both, so three flavors.
It's kind of nostalgic really, for the old days of forum flame wars.
The purpose is to highlight that tankies are extremists who hide their bigotry and hatred behind progressivism.
I would respect you more if you had more interests than disliking these people.
You don't dislike people who deny and even celebrate genocides? Don't think I want your respect if such content is okay with you.
Lib comment
I hope you didn't cry about it
No, Donald Trump's communism saved me
Lol, that's because the mods of said threads already had to delete all the bullshit they posted once they "accidentally found this on all" and then descent on it like locusts (but they're totally not brigading!!!1!)
Here's one of their mods:
SJW is shit just works in this context. Also yeah, do you expect her to be civil to bigots?
and guess what
Kill yourself, bigots. I will not be civil to those who view me as lesser. I view you as lowly as you do me.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1854795
How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?
Part of the drama with that incident included hexbear folks straight up saying “I thought the whole point of federating with other instances was so that we could dunk on liberals”. Majority of folks on hexbear did not see any issues with the behavior of their members on this post.
Oh wow, there's more hexbear comments than blahaj comments. Almost every blahaj comment has like 3-4 responses. I read a comment of someone saying that the thread looks wildly different if you see it from an instance that defederated them, and it's so sad that it is completely different.
if you consider this a flood imma be real with you, you are very new to the internet
If you'd like examples I know some of their bad takes are starting to be posted to ![email protected]
I have been there and not seen anything worth banning an instance.
Can you give a direct link to somersaulting you think should result in de-federation?
You may have me confused with someone else. I didn't say anything about defederation or banning instances.
What in your opinion is behavior or views that is worthy of defederation? There appears to be many different standards for that from what I've seen.
Sealion alt account, got it.
Any account I don't agree with is a saeloin. Got it.
Someone provided what I was asking for and I changed my stance in a reply 10 minutes before you commented.
See my reply to @SkyezOpen in this thread.
Now, I am sure you will retract your accusation...
Got it, still being a sea lion.
You asked for evidence. I provided it but it wasn't enough?
What is that called?...
They're tankies. End of story.
Just throwing out the word tankie is pretty much meaningless at this point. It might as well be “woke”. If you have specific issues explain that rather than just trying to shut down a conversation with a word. Some users might be a bit too sympathetic too China but I’ve typically seen them more come from a reasonable non US propaganda viewpoint and have been open to actual criticism about China. Some of it can seem like whataboutism but to be fair a lot of the complaints I see about China are shit the US does as well so it can be a fair point.
In terms of the "tankie problem", it's mostly supporting Russian aggression in Ukraine pretty much solely to "own the libs" and "get back at the evil NATO". Most "tankies", a term that has become effectively meaningless from overuse, are more accurately political contrarians who care less about things getting better for more people and more about Owning The Libs.
There's honestly a good chunk of them on most fediverse instances just due to the general community vibe, with Hexbear having more than, say, lemmy.world, but less than lemmygrad. Hexbear stands out moreso to being the successor to Chapo Trap House, a community notorious for being so utterly vile to interact with that nobody wants anything to do with them.
I appreciate you actually explaining your position behind the use of the word. I have a lot of issues with NATO and some with Ukraine but I agree that Russia is the aggressor in this situation. I have noticed that some of their users are pro-Russia but most of what I’ve seen is more anti-NATO which I can understand. As I said in another comment I definitely see some of the users troll more than I agree with and I personally prefer to deal with things in a different manner but overall I’m fine with being federated with them.
Do your think Ukraine and NATO are above reproach?
Again. Trust me bro.
That is not evidence.
Literally scrolled for 10 seconds and hey genocide denial. https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/c9fc2504-6828-4d30-ad4a-9224e2a2e58f.png
Not to mention unironic Russia shilling. When I called out a mod he responded with "oh yeah well America worked with nazis."
Cool. That's bad too. They're contrarian to the point of parody. Literally any wrong by China Russia or north Korea is justified by "well America did the same thing" as if leftists as a whole aren't already on board with that thing being bad, but it still doesn't excuse that bad thing now.
Thank you.
Finally something ban worthy.
I agree completely that any instance that hosts that type of content should be de-federated.
I haven't really had any issues with them. That said, literally the thread above this one in all top hour has a bunch of people hoping Biden gets COVID and dies...so there is that.
https://hexbear.net/post/515198
Meh. I have seen the same said about Musk, Trump and others.
While I don't agree with that being said about anyone, I think it is still up to a person to decide if they want to block hexbear.
For sure, I'm not advocating blocking or defederating at all. But you asked for examples of hexbear being unsavory and I provided one. That is all. It would be more of an accumulation instead of one singular instance that might push some over the edge.
I don't know personally, but a commenter above wrote:
So if there's any truth in that, the backlash could be a bunch of whiney butthurt Nazis.
I went to a link below and honestly, as another commenter succinctly summarized as “whiny butthurt Nazis” was a giant “freedom” murica style. Seriously, my eyes hurt, I left.
Again: can I please have a link to show why they are bad.
Otherwise it is just: Trust me Bro
No you may not have a link. Linking to bad things makes a person bad. Providing evidence of bad things makes a person bad. Anything other than belief makes you bad. In fact I think you must be one of the bad people, because evidence of righteous claims supports the idea that righteous claims require evidence, which is bad.
Well someone posted a bunch of screenshots that just make you look kinda goofy now
You want to form your own opinion, so go check it out.
I’ve been asking for links to examples, in posts about online trends, for about a decade now and nobody has ever even once risen to the challenge.
At this point any claim of the form “The internet has X happening on it” I just immediately dismiss until I see evidence. Which I never do.
I'm sure a lot of people just think your a sea lion.
It's not the rest of the internet's responsibility to do your research for you.
It's not everyone on the internet's responsibility to change their opinion to match yours. It is incredibly narrow minded to assume that someone would just do "research" and end with the same opinion of a group of people as you.
If you see someone express an opinion, and you don't know why, you ask them, not go to other sources to find why.
If you rely on others to fill you in with knowledge, you must not have learned anything after school.
Yeah, I'm sure you formed that opinion on a factual basis that you found through no help from what others posted or said. When I want to learn something, I do research on books and online media. When I want to understand someone's opinion, I ask them. If you don't know the difference between those two, your problems stem way earlier than "after school".
You sound like the closeted book nerd that doesn't understand public opinion. Like all the people on Twitter who once read something about "blacks are more violent than other races", and if you ask them why they think that, how many stats they read that confirm that, possibilities of other reasons for a study's conclusion, they respond with "It’s not the rest of the internet’s responsibility to do your research for you"- sound familiar?
If you want to accuse this "intensely human" person of lying, just do it. But claiming that anyone who hasn't seen an example within thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands? Only been around for 2 months, but millions of site uses) of posts of users being "tankies" just needs to "research" is obtuse and moronic. If someone makes the claim, surely they have an example, and don't expect everyone who sees this meme to read thousands of messages before continuing on their journey through !memes.
Except you, of course, who has clearly learned after school not to rely on others, so you must have read all of the comments from various hexbear users yourself, and not taken that opinion from some other poster's list, right? You did waste all that time before suggesting others do the same for no reason, right?
K buddy, I'm not reading that.
Never? With variable “X” never?
Why would we treat you bigoted removed with any sort of dignity. You do not own the right to my respect, we give it to those who earn it.
Weirdly intense and antagonistic internet communists.
Like, picture that guy you avoided conversations with when you were 19.
Because, Id wager, their userbase is primarily edgy leftist teenagers, really kind of like if 4chan was left and not right.
Can confirm, was an edgy leftist teenager on hexbear right when it was started – after r/chapotraphouse was banned.
They're so far to the left I don't even consider them left anymore. They've fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right (but not racist so much as intensely totalitarian).
Horseshoe theory
Horseshoe theory is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
It's like 90% a meme
There were no indications that you were joking, I'll leave my comment up for other people who missed it.
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?
I'm saying that both are authoritarian. Both are incompatible with Democracy and the current rules based international order, which when working correctly can prevent genocide from occurring (i.e. if the UN peacekeeping missions actually do their job).
What rules? Who do I report the USA to for repeatedly violating all of the rules and killing millions of people around the globe?
You are equating them. Read the link from the mainstream Jewish holocaust scholar to understand why that's holocaust trivialization.
First of all, this was not what I was implying. I never said that Communists were equally as genocidal as Nazis, nor that I deny that the Holocaust occurred. Putting words in my mouth is arguing in bad faith.
I am saying that the Tankies on the left support the same type of authoritarian policies that are prevalent on the right. While actions like, for example, the Tiananmen square massacre are not as large in scope as the Holocaust, accepting the CCP party line on the issue is antithetical to human rights, just as any massacre is. Supporting authoritarian regimes that do this is, in fact, just as bad regardless of whether the party is "left" or "right".
Did the Holocaust occur? Yes. Did it result in the death of millions of Jews at the hands of the Nazis? Yes. I'm not disputing any of these facts, so please do not suggest that I am denying the Holocaust.
You literally said this
You are free to retract this. Could you say for me "Communists are in no way morally equivalent to fascists"?
Also to be clear I'm accusing you of trivializing the holocaust not denying the holocaust.
Hey! I'm the guy people avoided conversations with and I take offense to this comparison.
Ever wanted to be talked down to by a 14 year old alt-right sociopath who pretends to support lgbt so they can stealthily insult liberals and blame western whites for how China is?
Edit; downvote more, at the end of the day you're still a hexbear 🤢
Gods yes, it's all I've ever wanted. Do they do birthdays?
No, celebrations of any kind are western propaganda. Your question has been audited and was found to have negative implications towards the state. Shock troops have been dispatched to your most recent location, have a great day, comrade.
holy fuck I laughed out loud at this outside by myself at ten to 1am .. I didnt know what hexbear was, soooo, I reported a post for saying that anyone who ever supports a democratic candidate in america needs to be hit by a truck, and that violence needs to befall them, so the mod I reported it to posted my username and announced I had reported it in a comment to that post. people then piled on saying how I was a hypocrite and deserved violence brought against me, because violence has been done by cops agains homeless and trans people. also, that all I care about is getting brunch
What kind of brunch were you eating at the time?
bottomless mimosas bitches!!
Like mainland 9gag with a veil of solidarity.
For the majority who don't know, 9gag is a Hong Kong based meme recycling organization run by people who are equally intolerant of lactose and melanin.
☠️☠️☠️
These accusations specifically are always so wild from you libs. Blue anon through and through.
Any arguments or only name calling?
They’ve decided a radically inclusive, three-year-old community of lefties who were here well before there was any serious activity on Lemmy are secret fascists who only pretend to be heavily LGBT for laughs. How are you supposed to respond to that? It’s hugely insulting and absurd on its face.
We've never "pretended to support lgbt", why would we? What would be the point of a load of alt right channers roleplaying as queer communists for years on an incredibly niche social media in the hope that eventually redditors would come to the site? And even supposing we did, and we were all just alt right types, if we'd spent years doing reading groups of queer theory together and kicking out transphobes and creating the most queer friendly space on lemmy just as an incredibly long extended bit then would the supposed communists we're impersonating even take issue with that?
Like just use some critical thinking, at this point almost half of the sites users are trans and most of the rest are queer, most new users cite our radical opposition to queerphobia as their reason for joining, what evidence is there that we lie about being queer friendly? Like just check out [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected] and tell me in good faith that all these people have been lying for years about being queer
You sound like such a lib
Donald Trump is a communist.
According to some weird red-brown alliance “patriotic socialists,” “maga communists,” or whatever they’re calling themselves now (The first one was probably way too on the nose). We’re not them though. We even immediately drove one of the main figures behind that cryptofash bullshit out, and now they’re just a semi-regular feature in the dunk tank.
/Edit - May be confusing the drumming out with another far less edgy community and/or the r/CTH days. Folks like that are prolific about trying to wedge their way in. Latter point there still stands though.
Equating fascism with communism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
I'm not equating anything here, Donald j Trump is a communist.
Don't like it? Shouldn't have drank all that kool-aid. That's right, you're propagandized for disagreeing with me!!1
20 percent of hexbears user base is trans. I dont know why liberals feel so comfortable misgendering all of them when they say shit like this.
Also, because you called them alt right, equating them with the alt right: https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
Where was the misgendering in that comment?
Any solid proof of that or just self reports?
Do you want to see their genitals or what? This happened way before the exodus and federation.
I'm a trans hexbear user, are you going to accuse me of faking?
We're just interested to see if there are statistics around that support your claim that
20 percent of hexbears user base is trans.
My B, that's lemmygrad https://lemmygrad.ml/post/723191?scrollToComments=true
Ask lemmygrad folks whether hexbear or lemmygrad has more trans users. Theyll say hexbear. Lemmygrad doesn't even have pronouns listed in username as default and they have 20 percent trans users.
No, but trump is a communist and I have loads of proof.
Trump is literally a billionaire, how could he be a communist? and you're a troll.
Trump is so broke he can't pay his lawyers and is selling coffee cups with his mugshot on them but, okay? Hopefully he's in prison one day for all he's done.
This is standard rich asshole stuff. The point is being a billionaire is antithetical to being a communist.
Hopefully he'll be executed.
Wow, someone clearly is totally propagandized, the evidence is right there and you simply ignore it. Wow, lib moment 😮💨
I don't believe you.
Donald Trump is a communist and he said you're wrong. Sorry.
A lemmy instance full of trolls and people celebrating chinese and russian fascism in the name of socialism
i once read a thread where they were saying to defederate from everyone. then why federate in the first place
Their instance, I gather, is set to NOT federate with anyone by default, and their admins need to manually add other instances to their federation. Most instances are set to federate by default, so they need to un-federate with another instance here and there.
They vote on who to Federate with
They’re whitelist for federation, yeah.
Some whine that they did not want federation in the first place and the mods did it without their consent. Slightly ironic considering they do not like democracy (although they claim you can have democracy without voting...somehow).
haha democracy without voting
Every hexbear person I have come across thinks China is a democracy despite people not being able to at least vote for their representatives.
Since when do people in China not get to vote for their representatives?
Wrong, there are at least 8 other parties in congress and at local levels you don’t need to be a member of any party to be elected to certain posts. Where’s your evidence of the votes being fixed? You’re just lying and making things up about spooky enemy country
There are literally millions of elections in China every year, what the actual fuck are you talking about? Who told you they don’t vote for their representatives? They lied to you.
what the hell are you talking about
every person there will describe their democratic beliefs, all of whom have a voting system with representatives. That is basic leftism. Are you lying or just born a fool?
I think I recall seeing you post calling for the death of other users. Not going to put much stock in what you say.
:D I'm recognized
I call for the death of bigots, not people lol
Everyone you consider a 'lib.' Real discerning. /s
Although I'm pretty sure that was your hexbear alt. Don't you also want to defederate from everyone? Why are you here?
Oh this was an excursion to see my "caught in 4k" glory. Nothing more. I want hexbear out of anyone's reach, but that does not mean I want you guys out of my reach.
you don't seem to have an ideology besides repackaged liberalism
Typical lib argument.
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
China isn't fascist, it is an capitalist/socialist mixed industrial economy with a ruling socialist party. Russia is literally just another oligarchy with opposed interests to US Oligarchy, they don't have the important base economic markers characteristic of fascism and yes, the article opposes equating fascists and communists.
Jewish people arent the only people who ever were victim to fascism.... To say china commits a holocaust is holocause trivialization. To say it is a fascist country is not.
To say it is a fascist country is making fascism look better then it is. Fascism doesn't have 95 percent of the population approving of the government. Fascism doesn't exempt minorities from the one child policy. Fascism doesn't end extreme poverty in a country of 1.4 billion people. Fascism doesn't lead to trans youth Healthcare clinics sprouting up in major cities.
thanks for sharing. Quite an interesting read.
I don‘t think the linked text supports your argument at all. Calling the chinese fascists in light of the way they treat their citizens in general and the genocide against the Uyghurs especially is not at all comparable to eastern European nations revering people that murdered yews.
No offense but you missed the point. The most extreme claim from a german christian fascist was that China has 1 million people in reducation camps.That is not equivalent to the intentional extermination of 11 million people, before we count the 19 million soviet civilians who died during the german invasion outside the concentration camps.
Its a 6 sided bear, the peak of the polygonal phylogeny.
Monomouse
Duodugong
Traye-aye
Quadferret
Pentacoyote
Hexbear
Heptaherpeton - this is the furthest we've discovered in the polygonal phylogeny but research indicates the likely existence of an octorca as well
I've read all the comments here and still don't have a clue what a hexbear is
So you know the Lemmy instance Lemmy.world? Well, there is another instance called hexbear... Which is full of hardcore, Stalinist communist. And every user of every other instance hates them
Why do people always put labels on them as if that's the reason they are idiots. It's not. There just a bunch of obnoxious trolls that have made it their mission to annoy other instances.
I mean being a Stalinist and being an idiot are kind of one and the same are they not?
Sure, but there are plenty of people over there that are not Stalinsts, but still obnoxious trolls.
It kinda seems to go Hand in Hand though...
By definition, smart people are not commies doe
That’s the most tellingly ignorant comment itt.
First man in space not smart I guess
Commies smh
Yep no technology in Communist countries, just your basic fire and wheels.
Ah. So like the famous lines „everything that touches the light“ „what about the dark spot over there?“ „don’t ever go there“
That's right, Simba
Why would I put is so much energy as to hate them?
They're marxists-leninists, not stalinists...
There's nothing inherently wrong with Marxism though (not that you said there was, I just get the impression some people are calling them socialists as if it's inherently an evil thing), they're entitled to their opinions on an alternative to capitalism, it doesn't make them bad or weird people.
I gather from what I've read here that people mostly don't get along with them because they are awful, terrible people (and honestly may not even be proper Marxists but maybe just posers, using it as a perfunctory label, idk).
I'd gladly be friends with a Marxist, but friends with an authoritarian, or a xenophobe, etc? Absolutely not. Regardless of their other political or economic opinions.
I'm an anarchist myself, so marxists are my brothers and sisters. So far, I've only seen displays of great inclusiveness from them (apart from telling me to fuck off, lol). However there's a lot of different types over on hexbear, some of them definitely being angry edgy teenagers. Still, definitely not a xenophobic bunch. I feel the general sentiment isn't warranted.
Similar experience. Great experiences until saying something that gets misconstrued due to lack of context and pitchforks come out. Then, some continue positive interactions and mods step in to curb unwarranted hostility. Still, despite getting singed a bit, it's overall been incredibly inclusive.
Stalin invented the term Marxist-Leninist. Before that they were just called Leninists.
Not true! I love that bunch.
Of course the tankie bootlickers like them.
“ And every user of every other instance hates them”
This doesn’t even rise to the level of pseudo intellectual.
Naw they're funny af
It's a lemmy instance full of edge lords who are pro-totiltarian communism. The bulk of them think Mao and Stalin were good. Deny any atrocities committed by USSR/China. Also, for some reason tend to be super pro Russia. Due to NATO being on the opposite side they support Russia and call Ukrainian/NATO nations Nazis.
I'd like to meet these people. I wonder if they're real.
My theory is that they are just russian bots
AI's gonna make this tricky :S
I hope that's all but there's a lot of people on this planet and plenty of them are insane.
That’s an entirely deranged theory
Instance is hexbear.net, check it out for yourself, doesn't work in browser for me without an account but it does work in liftoff without one for some reason.
It is weird that a lot of commenters here want to tell you what they are but don't say how to find this information by yourself.
Then they might find out the "they're all just tankies!" line is a lie, there's shitty people on all instances, just so happens this one leans very left beyond neo liberalism and therefore it's bad!
Throw in that they all totally support Putin and Mao and don't really support LGBT! And you've got most normies nodding along with defederating
"Add in that they support authoritarian dictators and don't like the gays"
my problem with this thread; u can't tell who is actually communist and authoritarian, and who is just authoritarian
Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist/"Left" Authoritarian Communism is just authoritarian nationalist state capitalism that uses classist rhetoric instead of (or as well as) racist rhetoric.
And before people call me a tankie: Anything authoritarian is trash-tier shit.
Lol a tankie would never admit that. No threat of you getting called a tankie.
No you got it.
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
The difference is whether you get sent to a concentration camp or a gulag.
Oh, I guess they are pretty similar...
Uh, depending on the concentration camp, not really.
I don't want to defend gulags but they didn't have poison shower rooms or child corpse disposal staff.
Working your slaves to death sometimes, sure, but you mostly came out the gulag alive.
Broken, but alive. Historians estimate that of about 20 million people sent to the gulags about 1.5 million died in them.
Which is a horrific example of compliance through terror but not quite the same thing as an extermination program.
Don't minimize the Holocaust on your way to agree with everyone else that tankies are delusional assholes.
Just for information the death count of gulags is largely unknown. Russia itself says its 1 million but pretty much all other sources say its too low to be even believable. There are credible sources for 1.5 to 8 million deaths (also non-credible sources that go much higher). Unfortunately unlike the nazies, soviets did not really have record keeping at all so all sources are estimates based to prisoner and guard writings. Another factor that makes estimates hard is the practice of when a prisoner was near death they would be shipped home, a lot of those never made it home but don't count as killed by a gulag.
There was also mass deportations from satellite states that weren't sent to gulags presumably but that's a different thing.
Right, and it's hard to decide how to account for someone crippled for life, or otherwise permanently altered, but the 1.5+ million is the best sourced claim we have.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gulag#:~:text=gulag%20(plural%20gulags)
Ok buddy.
Neither did concentration camps:
"Interned persons may be held in prisons or in facilities known as internment camps (also known as concentration camps). The term concentration camp originates from the Spanish–Cuban Ten Years' War when Spanish forces detained Cuban civilians in camps in order to more easily combat guerrilla forces. Over the following decades the British during the Second Boer War and the Americans during the Philippine–American War also used concentration camps.
The term "concentration camp" and "internment camp" are used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the rule of law. Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as "concentration camps"."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
The singularity of the Holocaust lies in the extermination camps, where millions of people were murdered with industrial efficiency:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp
Saying that concentration camps exist(ed) in other countries is not Holocaust relativism.
Thus, "depending on the concentration camp."
And you know which ones he meant.
No, I don't know which ones "he" meant, because nobody mentioned Nazis, and apparently you still haven't understood the difference between concentration and death camps, and assuming everyone here is male is also kind of yuck you know.
Sure bro. You're making an honest argument in a comment chain that has used the phrase "authoritarian nationalist state capitalism."
Fuck all the way off, this isn't Facebook, people know what you're doing.
This comment chain doesn't have the words "authoritarian nationalist state capitalism." in it, and you don't know shit about anything, go back to facebook.
I'm also not your fucking "bro", asshole, get lost.
Just be aware that the term concentration camp was used long before the NSDAP created their destruction camps. smithsonian
Sure, but the commenter had a very specific set in mind and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
past definitions don't mean shit when their meaning changed
Right wing auth isn't exactly better than left wing auth
Same crap in the end.
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
Not every right wing extremist caused the holocaust, and besides, if you compare all right wing extremists with the nazis at their peak power, you could also consider yourself a stalinist for downplaying his actions by simplifying history as some people I disagree with
If you compare right wingers with little power to left wingers with little power you get mass shooters vs mutual aid enthusiasts.
If you compare right wingers with a lot of power to left wingers with a lot of power, the fascists have a spectacular kill count and the left wingers are less bad than the bourgeois democracy baseline.
They don't give a shit about worker enfranchisement - they're all right wing fascists, it's just that some of them are red-coded.
I don't really care about the hexbears either way, the ones I've seen haven't been too bad though I've heard there are some really bad ones
What bothers me more is how quick mods seem to be to shut down any discussion about them whatsoever
Went on the Lemmy matrix to ask about them one time and I just got one guy flooding the chat with "you should observe for yourself and form your own opinions"
Many of them call for the imprisonment and death of everyone that disagrees with them who they label as fascist.
Yeah it's such a terrible suggestion, or maybe just like do that?
Who said I wasn't also doing that? It's not mutually exclusive, just a quick way to get a read on people's sentiment towards them and to try to figure out why people shut down discussion about them so consistently
I thought the problem is that we wouldn't shut up, or are you lying again
Did you reply to the right comment lol this makes zero sense
we do not shut down discussion
You are not a hexbear, nor are you a moderator
If the people shutting down discussions like that are tankies then they're a damn sight more subtle about it than literally having "Stalinism" in their username
who said i'm trying to be subtle? Its not my style.
I am a hexbear, double passport.
Technically I mod the trans sublemmy on hex, but I have a little music sub on this account too. I dont care too much for it though, its all 1s and 0s.
Because the truth is easier to find in person rather than through many other people's filters, and the way you wrote it, it seemed like you thought that was a very stupid suggestion... Glad to hear you think it isn't
I thought it was a stupid assumption on their part that I wasn't also poking around myself
Saved anyone that might float in at this point the read.
Yes that's why science progresses the fastest when nobody's collaborating and everybody starts from scratch
.... Wait
Ah yes because opinions on people are a science
Sounds like you expect a bar to never kick out annoying people because then the other customers didn't get a chance to form their own opinion
No? Because a bar isn't a good metaphor and people can be shitty and it's really easy to see for yourself on the Internet
A large part of it is a fanbase of Chapo Trap House which has a particular brand of humor that is rampant with esoteric inside jokes that are vulgar as a point, let alone to the extreme.
That humor, especially without that frame of reference, usually offends your average internet denizen.
Edge lords who couldn't handle someone telling them they were wrong, so they had big sook and defedederated after a day.
What are the odds of incoming drama in this post about tankies? I'll say -110.
Whoops.
Ay man if your client lets you block entire instances maybe consider blocking this one
Left-wing social site (might be fedi, never bothered checking) for leftists who are way too edgy for mainstream leftist communities.
I saw what I think was a post by an admin asking if lemmy world should defederate with hexbear and I don't recall ever seeing hexbear posts or super trolly or racist or commie posts/comments. I'm with you, op. I have no idea what's going on, and I suspect it's better that way.
Your instance have hexbear defederated, this is why you don't see their posts. Try another instance if you want to see them.
Which you don't.
World preemptively defederated them, which made a lot of people happy and is generally regarded as a good move
Have a bunch of them made alts on Lemmy .ml? I feel like this comment section ripe with bears that are on .ml. I suppose being able to make alts is one of the advantages of being decentralized.
Pure garbage. Don't waste your time.
I think it may be referring to the people who blame all social ills on “corporate greed” and think that belong leftist is exclusively being anti-capitalist. I think this may go along with some pro-Putin/pro-Xi viewpoints, possibly because they believe that “the west” is bad and capitalist, Andy anyone who opposes it is anti-capitalist and good.
I’m glad I know who these people are, so I can be more careful of them. Both here and on Reddit it felt like I was trapped in a bubble with these guys.
If you squat naked over a mirror and look down, that's the eye of the bear.
Is it like a furry instance or something?
A furry instance would be quite preferable. Furries tend to be pretty chill
I just assumed from the name yknow..
Tankie instance
https://imgflip.com/i/7y1n53
Marxist-Lenninists /Authoritarian Communists / Stalinists
Honestly I just fucking hate the stickers. Once in a while is fine but EVERY FUCKING COMMENT
Real
Think they’re way overhated, yes some of the users can troll a bit too much but they’re generally fine and I appreciate that they help stomp out fascist, racist, and anti-trans rhetoric on Lemmy.
In what way is sucking the Chinese Governments boot any better than Facism?
Fuck the CCP
It's not. The Chinese government is an abusive autocracy that doesn't respect the "rights" of its people and answers to nothing and no one other than Xi and profits and power. Those three things are king.
Marxists and fascists are two sides of the same coin. They may have somewhat different end goals, but they're alike in having zero regard for the democratic will of the people. May every Hexbear troll be accursed.
I wouldn't say classical Marxists could be equated with fascists but most people nowadays who call themselves "Communists" are fascist at heart.
Authoritarian, yes, fascist, no. We need the term fascist at the moment to call out actual fascists, diluting it by using it label people who aren't fascists but are also problematic plays directly into the misinformation the fascists thrive on
Exactly, I’m getting sick to death of the overuse of the terms fascism and nazism because they’re being used to describe everyone with a totalitarian bent. Yes, the GOP have fascistic tendencies, so it’s apt, but the real operative word to use in pretty much all of these cases is authoritarianism. And whether they’re [actual] fascists or communists, authoritarians are reprehensible. The Nazis were irredeemable but—and I say this as a socialist—so were the Soviets.
Also it's disingenuous to pretend china isn't at all fascist.
China is good and fascism is bad hope that clears things up for you
They openly brigade submissions and comments on other instances and harass anyone they don't agree with. It's not just some of the users it's almost entirely the point of the community existing. Their comments are almost entirely sarcastic, and add nothing to conversation or even debate.
Feel free to show us one single instance where they "stamped out fascist, racist, [or] anti-trans rhetoric" because I don't believe you.
https://lemmy.one/post/2831169 Think I linked this right (haven’t tried since I switched to voyager). I can have more later this week if you want but it’s Labor Day weekend here and im drinking with family and you said literally one instance.
That's a dead link bro edit :actually, what's weird is the hyperlink is broken but the link itself seems to be working when you copy the text of your link.
Can you show an example of why of this? More sounds like you lost an argument.
Ah yes, lost as in they started posting pig shit balls " so lol you lose fucking lib"
Remember, if you having a conversation with someone on the internet and they're a bigger asshole you lose the conversation!
Thanks for your hexbear intelligence level adjacent conversation lemmygrad
Stuff that really ever happened. Got it.
Right, because they NEVER used pig shit balls that's not a custom emoji picture on their insurance or anything, and they don't have a "libsgetdunkedon" or equivalent community, where they say shit like that constantly. Riiiight.
But of course you have to deny reality to be on the mental level of a lemmygrad poster
I honestly have no idea what they stand for. Their posts are so confusing and non coherent. I'm sure a lot of it is because sarcasm doesn't work with text unless you have context. But without context, all it comes across as is a bunch of trolls who just love to hate
I couldn't care less about them
They are a tossup of ccp communists, hard left leninists and general anti westerners. They constantly bully people to remind them that they are smarter than you and they are eager to showcase this. They post screenshots of comments they want to target on their main page and links so they can brigade. If you even bother interacting, they will spam you with the intent of getting you to peer into their carefully chosen pieces of information to steer you toward communism. They are a nuisance and i have learned that if you can easily bait them into saying awful things.
Their whole stance is bizarre. It would be like if I believed every country should be democratic, but if any non-democratic foreigner asked me about it I said, "well I'm not going to even talk to you until you've read every bit of democratic theory, and even if you do, I'm not going to admit or discuss any criticism of democracy. Also, you are evil for just being born in your evil country." They can't possibly expect to convert anyone that way.
Written sarcasm is an art form that few people truly understand.
They’re a left wing group that uses a lot of sarcasm and trolling. It can be a bit off putting to most but a lot of it comes from the fact that most people don’t bother reading or looking beyond US propaganda so it can be frustrating talking to people like that. Personally I try to come at things a bit more openly but I can understand the frustration of dealing with people that don’t put in much effort to understand the nuances of geopolitical topics.
Thanks for the reasonable take!
I'll just leave this here https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/2796891
What is wrong with people
I don’t support messages like that but I’ve seen similar messages from racists and fascists from other instances too, does that mean every instance where a small portion of the users DM fucked up shit should be defederated?
I think if a whole instance was dedicated to racism or fascism, then yeah
Oh I agree but that’s why I specified a small portion. If an entire instance is dedicated to racism or fascism I 100% support defederation.
What about authoritarian communism?
Not great, but nowhere near the same level of problem in the west where most of us are commenting from right now, so your whataboutism is irrelevant. Wanna try again?
We're talking about hexbear, so it's perfectly relevant
I was called a bigot by 7 or 8 different people because I dared to suggest that when someone finishes transitioning, they are no longer trans.
They are a man or woman, or whatever else they identify as.
That made me a bigot.
They don't help stomp out anything, they turn people against trans people. They literally give conservatives ammunition.
I believe trans refers to gender assigned at birth, so unless someone detransitions or time travels to change their birth gender I don't think fully transitioning can make you not trans.
Trans people continuing to call themselves trans after transitioning is an entirely different topic.
My point is that I accept trans people.
Someone wanting to call themselves trans after transitioning, in no way, justifies calling me a bigot. That is the most braindead way to try and influence change in the world.
Hexadytes are cancer. They're cancer here, they were cancer on /r/chapostraphouse.
You know, Bob Altemeyer wrote a book about rwa, if anyone’s not read it, it’s illuminating. At this juncture, I’ve had way too much Nazi authoritarian propaganda, I’d like to hear the other, and be free to ask questions and form my own opinions. That hope was doomed from the jump, and I should’ve guessed.
Eh, I thought the same, but then after reading their comments, it's like going from one authoritarian extremist ideology to another authoritarian extremist ideology. Especially when both pro Nazis and pro commies seem to both boil down to being just pro Putin fanatics. I'm wondering if the propaganda doesn't come from the same place trying to capture both spectrums.
If you’ve read the book, hard right authoritarianism and hard left authoritarianism are both right wing authoritarianism.
Eta: oh wow. That’s insane.
Best instance on lemmy!!
snarky know-it-alls that believe that they possess the most advanced political analysis derived almost exclusively from parroting reddit comments which have slowly turned their brains into velveeta
but anyway, enough about Lemmitors.
Hexbears are actually a nice bunch if you read through the comments on the current megathread. They just have very little tolerance for self-satisfied libs that congratulate themselves for thumping the Washington consensus-approved ideologies that most of hexbear graduated from years ago. Even I find it difficult to read lemmy comments because they're legitimately what I would've written as a teenage redditor in the late 2000s.
It’s a bunch of woke lefties that want to tax billionaires and shove their gay agenda down my throat. They hate honest hard working landlords and CEOS and shill for the lazy poors.