I actually restarted my local chapter of Food not Bombs (feeding ppl) because of the frame on the bottom left.
Early 20's, watching late night comedy central with my three dude roommates. A commercial comes on for some sexual woman objectification show/ad. I got upset at these dudes response to it.They said I was making a big deal about nothing. I got mad it exsisted. I got so mad I left the apt. I went for a walk in my city sometime after midnight.
On my walk, I noticed a very elderly lady, hunting folks recycle bins for returnables. I approached her, she didnt speak english hardly, little polish lady. I cried with her, I said you shouldnt have to do this. We had like four bags full on our back porch. I asked her to wait, and I brought them to her. I then looked into volunteer work. Found Food not Bombs in the next city over, and restarted our chapter.
All because I was so mad about "See tits now! Order our titty tapes!"
Well if you want the more detailed answer, its something I noticed in some European punks I knew, which is that while we agreed on some values, we were very much not aligned on other values. Specifically, I think there is real departure in feminism, sex-positivity, body-positivity, etc, within the punk/ DIY/ communities, so finding out how and why people come to the movement, especially more recently (where I started participating in fnb almost 3 decades ago).
which is that while we agreed on some values, we were very much not aligned on other values.
While I dont think Ive an issue with body positivity, I do have lingering sex-positivity issues I guess. It's all in how it's presented, for me. I dislike objectification, and I can accept it's a "me" issue. But anyway, I found the same things true when I was active around other punks and at shows and stuff. In my younger years I thought if someone was into alternative whatever, it meant they were safe. This is not true, age taught me. Or maybe things changed, either way. I'm not involved at all anymore, I do love to see what young ppl are doing though. I am thrilled to hear you are active with FnB after three decades. Kudos for you mate!
Thank you for sharing the detailed answer, I panicked for a second, and it is interesting. Def not from N. Europe, this surprised me. I do cry when I see places children can freely ride bikes in their neighborhoods and to school. So, there's that.
Yeah, thanks for the consideration. And I think your journey highlights a conclusion/ hypothesis I had when I was trying to understand these differences with the anarchists I was hanging with from Europe. Regardless of anyone's individual philosophy, a strong component of being part of alternative culture is a rejection of whatever you perceive to be mainstream culture. And so even though you are trying to reject that culture, in that rejection, you are also allowing it to define you.
So if you perceive the mainstream culture to be exploitative of women through objectification, that might form part of the identity as part of your act of rejecting that culture. Or, alternatively, if you perceive the mainstream culture to be sexually repressive, you might adopt sex-positivity as part of your identity.
Among the Euro-punks I knew, this manifested as a clearly much more conservative view of sexuality and its relationship to resistance politics.
Well, so, also a bomber and I founded a handful of local chapters and participated in some very long standing ones. And its just interesting to find out how people find their way to FNB/ punk/ DIY/ collectivism and what ends up being the motivator.
You’re dieing in a hospital. You walk towards the light and met by bill mayse who says calmly “but wait there’s more!” As he reaches out his hand to you.
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I actually restarted my local chapter of Food not Bombs (feeding ppl) because of the frame on the bottom left.
Early 20's, watching late night comedy central with my three dude roommates. A commercial comes on for some sexual woman objectification show/ad. I got upset at these dudes response to it.They said I was making a big deal about nothing. I got mad it exsisted. I got so mad I left the apt. I went for a walk in my city sometime after midnight.
On my walk, I noticed a very elderly lady, hunting folks recycle bins for returnables. I approached her, she didnt speak english hardly, little polish lady. I cried with her, I said you shouldnt have to do this. We had like four bags full on our back porch. I asked her to wait, and I brought them to her. I then looked into volunteer work. Found Food not Bombs in the next city over, and restarted our chapter.
All because I was so mad about "See tits now! Order our titty tapes!"
Do you mind my asking what region you are from?
North Eastern US
Interesting.
dear lort WHY is it interesting!?
Well if you want the more detailed answer, its something I noticed in some European punks I knew, which is that while we agreed on some values, we were very much not aligned on other values. Specifically, I think there is real departure in feminism, sex-positivity, body-positivity, etc, within the punk/ DIY/ communities, so finding out how and why people come to the movement, especially more recently (where I started participating in fnb almost 3 decades ago).
That is interesting.
While I dont think Ive an issue with body positivity, I do have lingering sex-positivity issues I guess. It's all in how it's presented, for me. I dislike objectification, and I can accept it's a "me" issue. But anyway, I found the same things true when I was active around other punks and at shows and stuff. In my younger years I thought if someone was into alternative whatever, it meant they were safe. This is not true, age taught me. Or maybe things changed, either way. I'm not involved at all anymore, I do love to see what young ppl are doing though. I am thrilled to hear you are active with FnB after three decades. Kudos for you mate!
Thank you for sharing the detailed answer, I panicked for a second, and it is interesting. Def not from N. Europe, this surprised me. I do cry when I see places children can freely ride bikes in their neighborhoods and to school. So, there's that.
Yeah, thanks for the consideration. And I think your journey highlights a conclusion/ hypothesis I had when I was trying to understand these differences with the anarchists I was hanging with from Europe. Regardless of anyone's individual philosophy, a strong component of being part of alternative culture is a rejection of whatever you perceive to be mainstream culture. And so even though you are trying to reject that culture, in that rejection, you are also allowing it to define you.
So if you perceive the mainstream culture to be exploitative of women through objectification, that might form part of the identity as part of your act of rejecting that culture. Or, alternatively, if you perceive the mainstream culture to be sexually repressive, you might adopt sex-positivity as part of your identity.
Among the Euro-punks I knew, this manifested as a clearly much more conservative view of sexuality and its relationship to resistance politics.
Idk if there was anything sexual positive about the girls gone wild tapes, you were right to get the ick from them.
Why?
Well, so, also a bomber and I founded a handful of local chapters and participated in some very long standing ones. And its just interesting to find out how people find their way to FNB/ punk/ DIY/ collectivism and what ends up being the motivator.
okay, sorry thought I may have doxxed myself (not that it matters but) thank you for clarifying
Yeah my original guess was northern European, so it was interesting to find out that you were based in the US.
Damn, based
You make me want to be a better person.
If you flip the two on the left you have a political compass meme!
I never saw the dildo one, but it looks like a fun watch.
Haha, you're right!
Ah, girls gone wild. Misogyny, exploitation, and preying on the drunk. Good times.
You think that's fucked up, ever heard of BumFights?
They'd go around, pay homeless people to beat the shit out of each other, film it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumfights
Technically not in the 90s, but whoo boy.
Yeah, I remember that. I'm pretty sure they prosecuted the fuckwits involved.
If I suddenly woke up at 4am in the 2000s, that's so much I'll need to do the change the future. The infomercials will need you wait.
My favorite Billy Mayes joke.
You’re dieing in a hospital. You walk towards the light and met by bill mayse who says calmly “but wait there’s more!” As he reaches out his hand to you.
... I should call her.
Where were you living that had sex toy ads on TV? I didn't even see that in LA
Not enough George Lopez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAaE7sJahiw
Billy Mays was the shit when he died.