Key witness to fatal ICE shooting dies in car accident, report says
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Probably nothing, but reminds me of Michael Hastings who felt stalked by LAPD and died in single vehicle crash Probably nothing
Or the judge in Netanyahu's corruption case dying in a single vehicle crash.
The conditions of the car crash per the NYT:
Cars don't explode like in movies
It's also a huge vulnerability that modern cars have internet connections and could easily trigger the immobilizer or drive it into a wall
That begs the question: what were they driving?
There are only a handful of models that use a drive-by-wire system where an electronic attack would let you do something like that (
Teslas and some models of Humvee are the only ones I know right offI was wrong, both models I was thinking of would not allow this either. There's only four models in the US where this would be possible.) - pretty much everything else still uses supplementary physical connections to prevent loss of control during a hardware failure. Loss of steering assist or activation of an immobilizer will cause your engine to shut down and your controls to be less responsive, but it does not cause you to lose control of a car and both have a long enough purely mechanical delay to allow you to safely stop the vehicle.There's no way for a remote attacker to "drive your car into the wall" unless you're using one of those very rare models. Even cars with lane assist are designed so that -mechanically- they cannot override user input.
Seeing this coincidentally. I may be wrong about the immobilizer but even having one aspect of the car fail could cause issues if the person isnt expecting it, especially if they are already speeding. Also theres no saying if there could have been physical sabotage to the car or that he was driving something with issues like a recent honda (steering rack issues that cause them to lock up)
If you're defending the idea this was him being killed by ICE - while I personally doubt it was (why would ICE care enough to do this elaborate conspiracy BS that almost failed when they could just, you know, shoot him) - that's not really needed here, I'm not trying to make a case either way. I'm just pointing out that "hacking a car" can't, outside of a handful of models, be used by a hacker as an automatic crash button. Even that example you linked to at worst just disabled the engine or the electronic brakes, which wouldn't inherently cause someone to lose control of a car outside of those very few models (idk if you've ever had an engine die while you're driving, but it really isnt a big deal to manage).
Pretty much all modern cars cannot be forced to crash by a hacker - maybe, if they're lurking and waiting until you're speeding and then disable systems right as you're turning it could increase the chance of you crashing, but modern cars are also extremely safe in an accident. Even in a tremendously bad incident like the above, everyone survived the impact - he only died because of the resulting fire. And again,
he wasn't the one driving, so his position in the car wouldn't have been predictable...sorry, he wasn't the owner of the car? This just doesn't add up when ICE can just, you know, shoot people and get away with it.How new is modern? Off the top of my head I remember a bunch of models affected by the Jeep crystler dodge head unit to can bus hack. I'd be suprised if KIA hadn't fucked it up. And remember, you don't need steering, you just control of the throttle, maybe the brakes or traction control.
I don't think ICE killed this guy(unless he was driving a Tesla then maybe). But the CIA and Mossad like to kill people this way
I'm not saying they did him in because that's just a conspiracy theory, but your claim is a touch outdated.
Anything that has lane assist or parking assist, on any model has buss managed controls.
I think you've misunderstood - while there are many models with the ability to steer the car without human input, there are almost none that do not have a direct mechanical link in addition to those systems so that the human can override those controls in the event of malfunction.
::: spoiler For example, this is the steering colum from a Kia Sportage with lane assist:
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You can see that while it does have supplemental electrical controls, there's still a purely mechanical connection. I will admit I made an error in my initial post: Teslas do not use steer-by-wire either. As near as I can find there are only four models (in the US) that do not have at least a supplemental direct mechanical connection - and current safety standards make it borderline impossible for new models without that to be legal on US roads.
I thought Tesla's were a little bit on the explody side of things.
Firey, yes. Explodey? Not so much from what I've seen.
Yeah I think the issue is the fiery and all electric means you're locked inside with the fire...
At least the fire can't escape.
"I'm not locked in here with the fire... the fire is locked in here with ME."
I wasn't trying to imply that the nazimobiles were safe. Just that they are mostly dangerous to the Nazi supporters that buy them.
Oh I think they're perfectly fine for the nazis that biy them I was just being... an ass? Unsure the best adjective, there was more to the true you said lol.
The victim had a loving family with him, so it couldn't have been a Tesla
"at a high rate of speed" fucking pig codespeak
Oh this is crazier than I initially imagined. My first gut reaction was conspiracy. If it is then there's some collateral damage.
Yeah that paragraph is unrelated to this kid's situation beyond pointing out how trigger happy ICE was in murdering his friend.
Oh you are right. This article is a mess. They didn't even name the driver that killed the guy.
They also didn't mention what kind of car was in the accident.
If I was ran over that means the tires were on my body.
Yeah but the headline! Run over sounds worse than struck.
Run... under?
Pedantry.
Semantics, actually.
Okay but this is ped... or no, it's sem...
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... well played.
I’m not going to lie this made me laugh full throated and I wasn’t even stoned. I needed that, thank you.
well done troll good sir.
Driving in the USA is like standing too close to the window in Russia
A car accident is the USA's "falling out of window"
How politically expedient.
I fucking hate this timeline.
Maybe? Hopefully? I'm really, really hating that I have to question this. >.<
The other three in the car including his sister said nothing about anything suspicious, and they surely would have.
And if you believe that "someone is keeping them quiet", then all bets are off and nothing anyone says matters. :shrug:
How... convinient, for some.
Totally not sus at all
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