Fact: military officers sometimes use very small amounts of dihydrogen monoxide to torture prisoners to extent that the prisoners will admit to committing actions they had not committed.
People worry about microplastics getting everywhere, but what about dihydrogen monoxide? Nearly every autopsy shows that the victim had huge quantities of dihydrogen monoxide in their system.
Some people claim it's safe, but if it's so safe, why is it so critical that it not be allowed near electrical appliances and electronics?
And, nobody mentions how incredibly addictive it is. Virtually every person who starts taking dihydrogen monoxide is unable to quit and has to keep taking it for their entire lives. Anybody who goes cold turkey dies within days.
Not to mention its so addictive that brings people in a state of daze and confusion till they actually believe it's good for they're health and they go spreading words such as "u should drink at least a liter and a half a day" we are gone so far that there are also biosynthesized or chemically engineered versions for bays and little kitties this society is awfull
I didn't even know they tested for DHMO. I thought it was something they noticed was so prevalent at autopsy, they just assumed it was naturally present. It's nice to see the awareness efforts have not been all for not.
Safe?! I live in a country with low awareness, although the rivers are full of it. Every time i take a shower i look literally like bleached afterwards!
Dihydrogen monoxide isn't a good name for water, especially in this context. Hydroxic acid or hydrogen hydroxide make much more sense.
Water only splits into O2 and H2 under electrolysis, not due to acid/base chemistry. You have to be actively adding electrons. In solution, it dissociates into ion states as protons H+ and hydroxide OH-.
Water is the most common substance that can be either an acid or a base (on earth), but lots of other compounds are also amphoteric.
In fact, on other planets where ammonia fills the same role as water, ammonia would be the most common amphoteric substance, so most solutions would be in a liquid ammonia solvent. This means neutral pH on those planets would substantially higher!
K_w is the auto dissociation constant for water, and at room temp, K_w is about 10^(-14). Taking the negative log of the square root of K_w gives the pH of pure water of about 7. The auto dissociation constant of ammonia, however, is about 10^(-30), so the pH of pure liquid ammonia is about 15! Basically, as soon as we start using solvents other than water, pH gets really funky
Edit: and before anyone jumps in to say "ack-shully, pH is based on the concentration of hydronium ions in solution, so you can't use pH for systems based on solvents other than water," pH can also be considered to be based on the protonated form of whatever the solvent is. So in an ammonia-based solution, you would find the pH by taking the negative log of ammonium instead of hydronium. Instead of defining pH as
pH = -log [H_3 O^(+)]
A more universal definition would be
pH = -log [H_2 A^(+)]
Where the auto dissociation reaction of any amphoteric solvent can be written as
HA + HA -> H_2 A^(+) + A^(-)
This is more detail than most people care about, but there's always lurking pedants on the Internet, so I thought I would leave a more detailed explanation
I knew that other planets had other chemicals as the most abondant substance on them but it being replacing water is something i never knew. Perhaps, aliens are sipping ammonia based cola as we speak !
Care to explain the neutral PH thing ? I don't really understand it. Does it mean ammonia based liquids wan to stabilize to 15 PH or something like that.
Sorry if it sounds dumb, English isn't my native language and i wasn't really a science guy at school when kid. Now, everything fascinates me. I never was good with math but i saw its beauty in programming ( if we taught kids math by making games with it we'd have a whole generation of math lovers )
Not dumb at all! In order to not write an even bigger wall of text, I assumed some things, like everyone already knowing that in water, a pH of 7 is considered neutral. This is because that solution would have an equal amount of acidic ions and basic ions, each with a concentration of approximately 10^(-7) moles per liter. But with a different solvent like ammonia, the change in auto dissociation constant means that to get an equal number of acidic and basic ions, you would only need a concentration of 10^(-15) moles per liter.
So, it would change a lot of the standard practices in a lab, like making buffers, neutralizing solutions, etc. Since it's Saturday and I'm doing this all off the top of my head, I don't know what other implications there might be, but basically a lot of things that chemists and biochemists take for granted would need to recalculated. Acids would be more acidic, bases more basic, etc. In ammonia, even water would be a fairly strong acid!
The chemistry doesn't really change, but a lot of the standard practices would need to be done differently (including the way we make buffers, measure pH, and the range of pH that a solution could be).
I knew water have a pH of 7 and is neutral and after reading your response i very very vaguely remember our teacher telling explaining what pH meant in middle school but a reminder was definitely needed. The rest is extremely interesting so Again, a huge thank you !!!
I'll likely go read about chemistry for dummies because i feel a bit ashamed of my limited knowledge with basic chemistry.
No need to get ashamed! Lots of people had bad experiences in chemistry classes at a young age and don't remember much beyond "it was hard, it didn't make sense, and I was really bad at it." So, you're in good company!
This is at least partly because chemistry was traditionally a "weed out" class, meaning it was used to determine whether people "had what it takes" to succeed in the sciences. As a result it was usually taught in a way that made it harder than it needs to be and a lot of people decided not to pursue STEM careers/education because chemistry felt too hard. But lots of times , it felt too hard just because it was taught poorly (on purpose).
Basically, don't be afraid to get back into chemistry! Even though I'm in chemistry education, I don't really have any great book recs for someone starting from scratch, as I'd want to recommend a textbook that's not necessarily easy to work through in your own. However, The Poisoner's Handbook by Deborah Blum and Uncle Tungsten by Oliver Sacks are both really fun to read and relatively accessible. To get more of a well rounded, academic understanding I would highly recommend taking a class at a local college (community college if you're in the US, to keep the cost down, but there are probably similar options in other countries). It would be more work and deadlines, but trying to educate yourself about this stuff can be really hard and intimidating, and if you take a class, you'll be much more likely to stick with it and get something out of it.
Thanks for the books recommendation.
Where i live, I don't think there's any way to learn chemistry at a school other than going to middle school again, which I doubt I'd be even allowed.
There's probably a book or an app that can teach the basics of chemistry.
Most people i know are so illiterate about chemistry that they mix household products and create toxic gases.
Hydrogen Hydroxide
Water.
Specifically, water reacting as a base. When reacting as an acid its systematic name is Hydroxic Acid.
Oddly enough, water can be considered a molecule (H2O), or an ion group (H+ and OH-). Once I got that through my skull, the whole acid/base mess got much clearer.
Well, my grad school research used quantum mechanical calculations to predict physical properties of chemicals, so it fits for me ;)
Plus, as long as I have to teach first years the Bohr model, I figure chemistry can claim him as an honorary chemist. After all, what is chemistry but applied physics? Relevant xkcd: "Purity of the field"
Not just drowning victims. Many freshly dead persons will have Dihydrogen Monoxide in their system, including but not limited to their lungs. They try to keep it a secret. Doctors will usually not write it down outside of the mentioned drowning.
If the body decays, that's a strong sign the person had the substance inside it at the time of death.
Big dihydrogen monoxide. Private dihydrogen monoxide companies made approx. $303 billion globally in 2022. This number doesn't include governments selling this stuff too. No one tells you that on the low end this stuff kills 300,000 + people a year globally. Look-up in Google "HOH chemical", and you'll learn everything you need to know about dihydrogen monoxide.
And for years it's literally falling from the sky. Why government allow it ? I've made my research and it's seems chemtrails are actually made of dihydrogen monoxide!
yeah but have you felt overwhelming pain and suffering when you throw up and its acidic and burns everything leaving you with physical and mental trauma due to the unbelievably painful moment your body produced? yeah that's worse
This joke was barely passable when we were 12yr olds telling it on the school. How the fuck a bunch of adults just upvoted this meme I cannot begin to fathom...
Bro it's not that they're easy to comprehend, it's that they're tired, stale, and trite. Peak boomer humor.
Come on man, do you really want to see "new hip kid on the block" lemmy immediately leapfrog over reddit and dive straight into becoming Facebook memes?
A full one third of the population of the United States cannot name even one branch of government, only 26% can name all three. The meme still works because people are still dumb and you can easily make fun of them over the stuff we knew when we were 12.
FACT: if you submerge a human in dihydrogen monoxide, they will die within minutes.
Fact: military officers sometimes use very small amounts of dihydrogen monoxide to torture prisoners to extent that the prisoners will admit to committing actions they had not committed.
Oxygenated liguids have entered the chat
Thanks, sent me down on quite a rabbit hole on PFCs and cryogenics.
Guybrush Threepwood enters the chat.
They burned this stuff to power giant steam engines and we're supposed to believe it's totally healthy!?
They use this stuff in nuclear reactors, too. And then they just release it into the air!
At Fukushima, Zirconium-DHMO reactions produced an explosive gas that blew up 3 buildings!
They're putting it in the stuff you drink!
Every single person that has died ingested it in some form.
Yea but the government won't tell us
This stuff is so aggressive, they can cut metal with it. ☠️
Especially when it's filled with rubies, which are known by medicine to cause severe digestive problems.
People worry about microplastics getting everywhere, but what about dihydrogen monoxide? Nearly every autopsy shows that the victim had huge quantities of dihydrogen monoxide in their system.
Some people claim it's safe, but if it's so safe, why is it so critical that it not be allowed near electrical appliances and electronics?
And, nobody mentions how incredibly addictive it is. Virtually every person who starts taking dihydrogen monoxide is unable to quit and has to keep taking it for their entire lives. Anybody who goes cold turkey dies within days.
And a 100% fatality rate. Everyone who touches it dies.
It's really creepy. We should make a move to stop dihydrogen monoxide being interfering with our lives!
We could take it from people's lives and environment, then bottle it and sell it back to them!
I heard it can be used as an ingredient of stuff handed to children on Halloween! Think of the children!!
Not to mention its so addictive that brings people in a state of daze and confusion till they actually believe it's good for they're health and they go spreading words such as "u should drink at least a liter and a half a day" we are gone so far that there are also biosynthesized or chemically engineered versions for bays and little kitties this society is awfull
Truly, DHMO is the Devil's plaything. It's worse than fentanyl!
I didn't even know they tested for DHMO. I thought it was something they noticed was so prevalent at autopsy, they just assumed it was naturally present. It's nice to see the awareness efforts have not been all for not.
Even worse, many people are addicted already at birth because their mother was addicted and had to keep taking it during pregnancy
Safe?! I live in a country with low awareness, although the rivers are full of it. Every time i take a shower i look literally like bleached afterwards!
Dihydrogen monoxide isn't a good name for water, especially in this context. Hydroxic acid or hydrogen hydroxide make much more sense.
Water only splits into O2 and H2 under electrolysis, not due to acid/base chemistry. You have to be actively adding electrons. In solution, it dissociates into ion states as protons H+ and hydroxide OH-.
Neeeeeeeeeerd!
Got more interesting science stuff ?
Water is the most common substance that can be either an acid or a base (on earth), but lots of other compounds are also amphoteric.
In fact, on other planets where ammonia fills the same role as water, ammonia would be the most common amphoteric substance, so most solutions would be in a liquid ammonia solvent. This means neutral pH on those planets would substantially higher!
K_w is the auto dissociation constant for water, and at room temp, K_w is about 10^(-14). Taking the negative log of the square root of K_w gives the pH of pure water of about 7. The auto dissociation constant of ammonia, however, is about 10^(-30), so the pH of pure liquid ammonia is about 15! Basically, as soon as we start using solvents other than water, pH gets really funky
Edit: and before anyone jumps in to say "ack-shully, pH is based on the concentration of hydronium ions in solution, so you can't use pH for systems based on solvents other than water," pH can also be considered to be based on the protonated form of whatever the solvent is. So in an ammonia-based solution, you would find the pH by taking the negative log of ammonium instead of hydronium. Instead of defining pH as
pH = -log [H_3 O^(+)]
A more universal definition would be
pH = -log [H_2 A^(+)]
Where the auto dissociation reaction of any amphoteric solvent can be written as
HA + HA -> H_2 A^(+) + A^(-)
This is more detail than most people care about, but there's always lurking pedants on the Internet, so I thought I would leave a more detailed explanation
I knew that other planets had other chemicals as the most abondant substance on them but it being replacing water is something i never knew. Perhaps, aliens are sipping ammonia based cola as we speak !
Care to explain the neutral PH thing ? I don't really understand it. Does it mean ammonia based liquids wan to stabilize to 15 PH or something like that.
Sorry if it sounds dumb, English isn't my native language and i wasn't really a science guy at school when kid. Now, everything fascinates me. I never was good with math but i saw its beauty in programming ( if we taught kids math by making games with it we'd have a whole generation of math lovers )
Not dumb at all! In order to not write an even bigger wall of text, I assumed some things, like everyone already knowing that in water, a pH of 7 is considered neutral. This is because that solution would have an equal amount of acidic ions and basic ions, each with a concentration of approximately 10^(-7) moles per liter. But with a different solvent like ammonia, the change in auto dissociation constant means that to get an equal number of acidic and basic ions, you would only need a concentration of 10^(-15) moles per liter.
So, it would change a lot of the standard practices in a lab, like making buffers, neutralizing solutions, etc. Since it's Saturday and I'm doing this all off the top of my head, I don't know what other implications there might be, but basically a lot of things that chemists and biochemists take for granted would need to recalculated. Acids would be more acidic, bases more basic, etc. In ammonia, even water would be a fairly strong acid!
The chemistry doesn't really change, but a lot of the standard practices would need to be done differently (including the way we make buffers, measure pH, and the range of pH that a solution could be).
Thanks a lot for you explanation !
I knew water have a pH of 7 and is neutral and after reading your response i very very vaguely remember our teacher telling explaining what pH meant in middle school but a reminder was definitely needed. The rest is extremely interesting so Again, a huge thank you !!!
I'll likely go read about chemistry for dummies because i feel a bit ashamed of my limited knowledge with basic chemistry.
No need to get ashamed! Lots of people had bad experiences in chemistry classes at a young age and don't remember much beyond "it was hard, it didn't make sense, and I was really bad at it." So, you're in good company!
This is at least partly because chemistry was traditionally a "weed out" class, meaning it was used to determine whether people "had what it takes" to succeed in the sciences. As a result it was usually taught in a way that made it harder than it needs to be and a lot of people decided not to pursue STEM careers/education because chemistry felt too hard. But lots of times , it felt too hard just because it was taught poorly (on purpose).
Basically, don't be afraid to get back into chemistry! Even though I'm in chemistry education, I don't really have any great book recs for someone starting from scratch, as I'd want to recommend a textbook that's not necessarily easy to work through in your own. However, The Poisoner's Handbook by Deborah Blum and Uncle Tungsten by Oliver Sacks are both really fun to read and relatively accessible. To get more of a well rounded, academic understanding I would highly recommend taking a class at a local college (community college if you're in the US, to keep the cost down, but there are probably similar options in other countries). It would be more work and deadlines, but trying to educate yourself about this stuff can be really hard and intimidating, and if you take a class, you'll be much more likely to stick with it and get something out of it.
Thanks for the books recommendation. Where i live, I don't think there's any way to learn chemistry at a school other than going to middle school again, which I doubt I'd be even allowed.
There's probably a book or an app that can teach the basics of chemistry. Most people i know are so illiterate about chemistry that they mix household products and create toxic gases.
Hydroxic acid sounds more terrible in this context, yes. But what does that have to do with possible reactions of H2O?
https://wiki.c2.com/?HydrogenHydroxide
It is not reacting as an acid here, it is both at once.
And that was not even the point.
If the anion ends in "ide", the acid name is hydro___ic acid. So hydroxide becomes hydrohydroxic acid.
Source: I teach chemistry.
Username almost checks out? IIRC Niels was a physicist, not a chemist.
Well, my grad school research used quantum mechanical calculations to predict physical properties of chemicals, so it fits for me ;)
Plus, as long as I have to teach first years the Bohr model, I figure chemistry can claim him as an honorary chemist. After all, what is chemistry but applied physics? Relevant xkcd: "Purity of the field"
Damn didnt expect that was your real name haha <3
So, uhm... wanna cook?
I appreciate your commitment to the bit.
Many drowning victims were found to have copious amount of dihydrogen monoxide in their lungs
Not just drowning victims. Many freshly dead persons will have Dihydrogen Monoxide in their system, including but not limited to their lungs. They try to keep it a secret. Doctors will usually not write it down outside of the mentioned drowning.
If the body decays, that's a strong sign the person had the substance inside it at the time of death.
Why do they keep it a secret?
Big dihydrogen monoxide. Private dihydrogen monoxide companies made approx. $303 billion globally in 2022. This number doesn't include governments selling this stuff too. No one tells you that on the low end this stuff kills 300,000 + people a year globally. Look-up in Google "HOH chemical", and you'll learn everything you need to know about dihydrogen monoxide.
I don't need to Google anything because you used some big words to make me feel scared! I can now confidently say to people I did my research!
Damn, sounds like an incredibly dangerous chemical
I like how on Lemmy people just write entire essays in the comment sections of memes.
I like it, too. It feels like there's actual thoughtfulness amongst the shitposting.
I guess that's kind of the reason why ELI5 never took off here. People just explain things throughly in normal comments.
You definitely don't want this stuff to escape into the atmosphere.
Yes - it’s a very effective greenhouse gas!
Every single person on Earth has died/will die after ingesting it.
And for years it's literally falling from the sky. Why government allow it ? I've made my research and it's seems chemtrails are actually made of dihydrogen monoxide!
It's also highly addictive and humans develop such a strong dependency that withdrawal is fatal.
It also can have a fatal overdose effect!
It is also a base! It’s fucked up that much!
Fuck me it’s the bisexual of solutions.
Probably why life can develop in it so easily
Kids are ingesting it between classes!
_THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!! _
Recently 5 Billionaires died due to overexposure. It is really dangerous
For comparison - acid rain has a pH level of 4.
I totally just wrote out the wording in a text and sent it to someone and they freaked out.
What that in? It's really acidic?
Bahahaha
Edit: I spelled it out for them and they still called me and asked what it was.
People: You should drink at least 2 lt of dihydrogen monoxid daily. Me: Are you stupid? Fish fuck in it!
Wait until you hear about sodium chloride, which is being put into our food, and is made out of a highly explosive material and a poisonous gas.
Not just a poisonous gas but a literal weapon of mass destruction
Some people say if you heat it up above 100° c it evaporates and it can burn your children!
Two radio hosts got fired years ago after rasing awareness about dihydrogen monoxide.
I want to learn! Source please? This will help my anti DHMO platform!
Unfortunately not funny story this is referencing
This is the story I was talking about
Although I was also aware about the lady that drank too much water and died.
I tried to @ you, but the feature is shit on Lemmy
Here
Last weekend I was at a formula 1 race. And we got soaked in dihydrogen monoxide there....
Found the zandvoort enjoyer
Oh hey, I didn’t know it was geriatric meme day.
Drink some hydrogen hydroxide and your troubles will wash away.
Nitrogen Minoxidil Mono Uride
Isn’t this sub geriatric memes all the time? I haven’t seen anything here but facebook memes from the 2010 era
O rly? Le sir is displeased?
rawr kthxbaiii
Ahh the simpler times. You don't miss them?
No, Facebook memes have always been shit, since the very beginning.
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This was a meme before we even called them memes.
I think it is a strong base with pOH of 7.
Everyone who has ever consumed dihydrogenmonoxide will die!
They killed many women (witches) with that stuff in the old days.
I love all the comments 🫀
It's also a base although a weak one
We'll get to banning it right after we bomb Agrabah!
Guarantee this thread will be taken seriously by some people
I am not one of those people, but man that was a good caption. Lots of people always forget it's a "reverse scale".
Thats dangerous! I will take it to my government (orban and comrades), to create a new hate/fear campaign! 🤣
yeah but have you felt overwhelming pain and suffering when you throw up and its acidic and burns everything leaving you with physical and mental trauma due to the unbelievably painful moment your body produced? yeah that's worse
Penn and teller anyone?
I can believe that the first post I made is 1.4k updoots
This joke was barely passable when we were 12yr olds telling it on the school. How the fuck a bunch of adults just upvoted this meme I cannot begin to fathom...
Oh no, the huge meme community has jokes everyone gets :,(
I too wish there were more memes that only Smart™ people like us could understand, what a world we live in where humor isn't niche
Bro it's not that they're easy to comprehend, it's that they're tired, stale, and trite. Peak boomer humor.
Come on man, do you really want to see "new hip kid on the block" lemmy immediately leapfrog over reddit and dive straight into becoming Facebook memes?
Have some fucking standards, goddamn.
A full one third of the population of the United States cannot name even one branch of government, only 26% can name all three. The meme still works because people are still dumb and you can easily make fun of them over the stuff we knew when we were 12.
On Lemmy, no one knows you're a dog.
"am i out of touch for not finding this meme funny?nayh... it must be the manchildren!"
This is the kind of boomer shit that makes me want to go back to reddit
A Redditor would just say "Bye Felicia"
Maybe in 2009
Not all boomer humor is bad.