Spyke

Depending on your pov, the US has always been in its nazi phase. Ask the natives or people of color.

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lemmy.world

Germans borrowed it from us, rode it hard, and then cleaned it off hoping that we wouldn't remember that they still had it.

But then we saw it sitting in the corner and offered to help them fix it up. They said nah, let's just forget about it. We said that we really wanted to fix it and that it would be a fun project to work on together. They told us to take our drunk asses home, so we got mad and dragged it back home.

But here we are! We've got it back and we finally fixed it! Now we're practicing donuts while the tech crew is building the ramp. We keep talking about how we're gonna do the biggest jump ever with a triple backflip, and everyone said that we're gonna chicken out. The extra-concerning part is that we never bothered with a landing ramp.

Nah man, we're gonna jump this thing straight into the stadium seats. We're revving that engine and y'all better hope that we loosened the nuts enough for the wheels to fall off, or that the sugar people are putting in the gas tank works so that we crash out halfway.

Especially those idiots who paid extra for front row seats.

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Natanoxreply
discuss.tchncs.de

then cleaned it off hoping that we wouldn't remember that they still had it

They said nah, let's just forget about it.

Except Germany has a rather unique culture of remembrance about it. I'll never forget the school trip to the Bergen-Belsen memorial site, that historical video where they used shovel loaders to push hundreds of corpses in mass graves which we just stood in front of is permanently engraved in my head. This culture is one of the reasons US Jews who once fled from Germany, or their descendants, are now increasingly getting out of the US and regain german citizenship through Article 116 of our constitution with a simple letter to the Embassy (usually followed by an apology letter including an invitation from said Embassy). It's quite the irony.

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lemmy.today

I am half tempted to research my family tree and see if Germany would take me. But I am too poor to move, and...well, I kinda want my homeland to not suck. If my blood can help the tree of liberty...well, maybe I can overcome cowardice and fight.

Cannot know who I really am, until the call for enlistment has arrived.

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Actually, today's Germany is quite happy to take anyone with some sort of qualification, no matter your family tree. If you are Jewish or not, that won't really make a difference to immigration requirements, as far as I know.

However, there is quite a bit of antisemitism going on in the Muslim communities, I'm afraid. As a German I'm really proud that our country is so open and welcoming to refugees and immigrants, but unfortunately people don't just drop all of their own prejudices when crossing the border.

Also, the rise of the extremist AfD party is a very worrying development. These Nazi thugs basically want to copy Trump's policies and they also want Germany to leave the EU. If they somehow get voted into power, you would definitely regret having moved here.

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Hmmm good point that shows a couple of the numerous flaws in my analogy, so allow me to use mental gymnastics to support my analogy.

Germany continues teaching how it was used and the dangers of anyone using it. They're not pretending like they never used it, they're just hoping that by hiding it under a tarp and only showing the damages it caused will prevent anyone from peeking under the tarp and going, "you sure? It looks pretty cool, still."

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Fascism is just capitalism in crisis, imperial boomerang shit.

It's just visible now to Americans now that the guns are being turned inward

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sh.itjust.works

You do recognize that things are different than they were a few years ago, right?

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When? There was genocide under biden, under obama, under clinton, under reagan, under kennedy not to mention the rehabilitation of top nazis generals and scientists into nato and nasa

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lemmy.world

There was genocide under biden, under obama, under clinton, under reagan, under kennedy

(Citation needed)

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The palestinian genocide for instance has been ongoing since 1948 (and before, but 1948 is of course where it kicked into overdrice) and all the US presidents are complicit in not just aiding it via material and political means, but they could have stopped it because "iSSrael" functionally ceases to exist the moment yankeeland decides to pull the plug.

The genocide of the indigenous americans is ongoing since before the inception of the liberal regime as it's own entity. It continues to this day by excluding natives from healthcare, confining them to reserves while simultaneously restricting their access to public infrastructure. Indigenous people needing yankee education in order to gain employment and various other restrictions that get justified in a liberal framework, but practically further the erosion of indigenous culture.

There are various genocides across the world carried out by the yankee stormtroopers more directly in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Libya and some more indirectly by aiding terrorist groups and regimes like saudi arabia, al-qaeda, various african terrorist orgs meant to destabilise the region and break it open for western exploitation.

readsettlers.org

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lemmy.world

Summary : there are genocides being done somewhere else by someone else, must be the fault of the President of the USA.

Americans did genocide the native people of this continent. Must be Obama's fault in 2008.

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lemmy.world

Summary : there are genocides being done somewhere else by someone else, must be the fault of the President of the USA and somehow USA still sells arms to someone in somewhere else because business is business.

We only sell the guns (even to terrorist organizations), tanks and military jets, so... we are not responsible for the guns being used for bad things...

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We sell guns to a lot of people. Should we be the world police and say what they can do with the stuff they bought from us? How do you feel about the US limiting the range and targets of the HIMARS systems we sent to Ukraine early in the war?

For the record, I absolutely agree that any aid provided by the USA to Israel should be conditional, and we should severely limit the types of weapons and systems sent there.

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What did Obama do to stop it? You do understand the indigenous genocide is ongoing right? What did Obama do to stop the genocide of the palestinians? You understand that anything pissrael does can be blamed on the yanks because they're the ones bankrolling and arming this so-called "country"?

How does this keep happening: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/20/kuhner-how-obama-arms-al-qaeda/

And yes any genocide on this globe that has been carried out for almost the last 100 years has been done with yanKKKee weapons. Where do these terrorists keep getting the funding, the arms?? Why is it that the countries these terrorists keep terrorising end up as US vassals?

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Ah yes, an opinion piece written by a notably not histrionic or atangonist little right wing radio commentator who became a US citizen in (checks notes) 2016, Jeff Kuhner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Kuhner

You should definitely read the articles and consider the source before you post them as fact.

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4am
lemmy.zip

🔫👨‍🚀”always has been”

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lemmy.world

nazis literally based the design of the holocaust on the american genocides and reservation system.

they taught the nazis how to nazi.

they just arent as subtle about it anymore.

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lemmy.wtf

That's a lot of learning from the British Empire too then.

And from that other moustached Austrian/German, Ed Bernays, on how to sell the genocide to the public. Top "advertising or marketing" ["crystalizing public opinion"/"manufacturing consent"] you got there, USA.

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lemmy.world

Yeah, the British invented concentration camps. Or at least used them in the Boer wars, I guess they probably weren't the first to gather people in camps to deal with some portion of them running a resistance.

The Nazi innovation was the gas chambers.

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The Nazi innovation was the gas chambers.

And quite a silly one.

They already had Ed Bernays style mass indoctrination methods... why bother getting people on trains to gas chambers [nor even the gas chambers on the trains], when you could just have them decide to make their own way to injection centers...

Much more cost efficient, on both the state's transport costs, and the costs of the poison.

/dark.

:(

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entering? we were alway in the nazi phase, they were just figuring how to make it look appealable for decades. us is the most right wing of all western countries, thats why nazis from other countries flock to the states.

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sh.itjust.works

Just looked this up recently.

estimate populate of the new world right before Columbus: 50-100 mil

Estimate population of Europe at the same time: 60 mil.

Granted it was mostly due to disease, but to Europeans that was just a happy accident.

And unlike nazi Germany, the colonists didn’t do a 180 after a decade or so, they kept that shit going until today.

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lemmy.world

The most recent estimates are between 2.5 and 7 million people in the area now covered by the US and Canada. The areas further south were a lot more populated.

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interestingly, the descendants of native americans in the US today are still around the same number (3% of US population or about 10 million) which is largely because of industrial agriculture -> more food

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The nazi didn't "do a 180" out of good will. They were forced to stop. In America we see what happens when there is no one to stop them.

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lemmy.world

Correction: use present perfect. You're not witnessing it, you have witnessed it. The "Why didn't the Germans do something about the nazis?" phase ended in November of 2024.

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lemmy.world

Not just idiots. They are complicit. They had a big button in front of them that said "Do Not Put A Nazi In The Big Chair", but they didn't push it because it was blue and not green, and now they have a nazi in the big chair.

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leminal.space

There were two buttons and they both said "Put A Nazi In The Chair"

Voting isn't going to get rid of the fascism problem in the US.

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Soulgreply
ani.social

Biden and Harris were both very bad, neither were Nazis. People like you are literally the problem

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lemmy.world

Americans act as the world police : people are mad about it.

Americans don't act as the world police : people are mad about it.

Make up your fucking minds.

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This is entirely ignorant of the fact that Israel is essentially a US military base. If the US wasn't involved, Israel would have rightly ceased to exist a long time ago.

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lemmy.world

You had the opportunity to find out. But the petulant single issue voters didn't want imperfection, so they chose to not prevent Trump from getting put in the big chair. So, how has your choice contributed to stopping the genocide in Gaza?

(I know you don't want to acknowledge the answer, and I've heard the usual deflections, so don't even bother replying)

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So, how has your choice contributed to stopping the genocide in Gaza?

My choice doesn't fucking matter. I live in Alabama. My vote never counted in the first place.

You think you live in a democracy despite all evidence.

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aussie.zone

Next they’ll start enslaving people and giving out infected blankets to drive tribes off the land.

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lemmy.ml

And then they’ll start putting the American Japanese in internment camps!

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They already enslaved people, you can read about prison labor.

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lemmy.wtf

Oh, yup.

I just made a reply mentioning paperclip, because a search suggested no one had mentioned it yet... I just hadnt scrolled down enough yet.

Thank you for mentioning operation paperclip

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I'd say it's more of its neoconfederate phase. Turns out leaving a seditious rotten core as part of your government isn't a good idea. But hey, at least you are now indivisible with fascism.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

The only people still visiting the U.S. are ones that regret not being around to participate in the Third Reich so badly that they want to watch and support the Fourth Reich rising.

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Zwiebelreply
feddit.org

I'm sorry but the third reich meant the third german empire y'all have to start counting from one you can't just steal other peoples work

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Sorry, the U.S. can (and does) steal absolutely anything it wants. Land, lives, resources, technology.

Always has, always will.

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lemmy.world

Ever wonder why America likes to go to war so much? Check out who benefits from the manufacture and sale of armaments. It's a straight line.

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boboreply

Ever wonder why America likes to go to war so much?

Years ago I read a good chunk of the "Discourses on the First Decade of Titus Livius" by Machiavelli. At the beginning he discusses where and how you should establish Rome, and what are the consequences of those choices. Tldr from what I remember, he says that if you want to have a populace that's always willing to fight in aggressive wars:

  • your plebs should be poor, but not starving. Too rich and they get lazy, too poor and they'll only care about survival, but if you hit the right mark they'll never be satisfied and can be easily persuaded to go to war for money
  • your citizens should be armed and trained to use weapons
  • you should support immigration in order to always have fuel for the war machine
  • use religion to enforce obedinece and discipline
  • the state should be rich so it can fund the wars
  • encourage controlled class conflict (plebe tribune Vs senate) in order to limit both groups, and so the armed plebs can blow off steam instead of getting revolutionary ideas
  • take care to always have an external enemy, or an internal one will appear
  • don't over reach when expanding your territories or you won't be able to manage all of it
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Memes like this usually resonate because they capture a feeling of uncertainty rather than making a literal statement. Sometimes humor is just a way people process anxiety about rapid change.

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lemmy.wtf

was long nazi phase. [see OSS>CIA]

just malignant metastasising now.

good. now it's bad enough to see, to evoke deploying remedies.

we are in a lot of trouble (and long have been ~ less so now that we know). we can still mend this.

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discuss.tchncs.de

Maybe I am nitpicking here, but as a German the difference of facists and Nazis is an important one to make. Every Nazi is a facist, not every facist is a Nazi.

Nazis see themself in the tradition of the NSDAP, facists dont necessarily do.

I dont think the biden or Obama administration where in tradition of Hitler, even if there were facist tendencies long ago. I think trump, Vance etc. Are really acting in tradition of the specific German facists, the NSDAP and Hitler.

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Yup. Good to point out the "all nazis are fascist, not all fascist are nazi" distinction logic. Thanks.

I kept trying to warn people, that merely moving "left" from the more purely corporatist fascism we are currently under, does not bring us to a better place. The "greater good" start getting served with totalitarian atrocities all the more, moving from a more Pinochet place to a more Hitler place. We have to get more freedom back too, in at least equal measure...

“We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.” -- Mikhail Bakunin

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piefed.social

I dont think the biden or Obama administration where in tradition of Hitler

True but they was supporting the terrorist state of israel who is acting like nazis since it's creation

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The genocide couldn't happen without the USA support and the wedt in General. Even Russia and China are complicit. In this case the associate of the criminal charges is as serious as the one who commited the crimes

Zionism is similar to nazim they are both supermasist ideologies . Zionists leaders has the same goddamn rhetoric as Nazis and use similar terrorism acts and tactics. Stop whitewashing Zionism. Just because Nazism main target are jews and zionism main target is palestinians it doesn't mean they are not similar. Similariry do not equals identity

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programming.dev

Going from "only imperialist" to "imperialist nazi" doesn't seem like a big difference. UK and France weren't exactly known for thinking the natives of their colonies were humans.

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My Realisation was when they started rehiring only People that swear an oath to the President

That was a „„GLeichschaltung"

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So Obama for example is a Nazi in your eyes?

I think the differentiation between imperialist, facist and Nazis sharpens your argument. And the positive alignment with the actual historical Nazis is something which only became main stream with trump.

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I wouldn't say it is gonna be a Nazi phase, I am guessing it will be a fascist Italy phase, that, however, will not last because Trump is a fucking idiot

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Interesting, you are the first one to disagree in this way, most comments have been "there Nazis since ages" I do think the facism over there has been brewing for a long time, but the positive references to actual historical Nazis are something they only stated with the newest trump legislation to become mainstream

What I mean is things like elon with his salute, bovin with his coat and trump with his wishes for generals like the ones who served Hitler.

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Well they are still in the first phase "gleichschaltung"

They are consolidating media, institutions etc. Fight opposition, spread fear through things like ice, set the narrative basis to annexing other countries.

They are not yet in the main phase, where opposition is already silenced, protests not happening at all anymore and full on war with their neighbours is raging.

What we are seeing since 2016 is the groundwork, since trump 2 we see them slowly taking of their imperialistic mask and showing their Nazi face, shooting not "only" foreigners but occasionally also citizens.

Still we are not in the fullblown Nazi phase where they are lining up political opponents against a wall and execute them or where they have dedicated facilities for mass murder of citizens.

That's what I mean by enter.

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lemmy.world

Checking the programme, next up is the Reichstag event. My money's on a bombing or active shooter at congress who just happens to catch way more D bodies than Rs.

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Are you not following the Uranian anniversary clock? 84.0205 years ago... (1942, not 1933)

The hour is later than you think.

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lemmy.world

Enter?

You guys do realize that 90% of the world has thought the US was a Nazi cesspool for at least 50 years right? If not longer?

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I think it doesn't help to generalize. Not all right wingers are fascists, not all fascists are Nazis.

I think the bidenadministration was imperialist, right wing, with facist tendencies, but I wouldn't classify them as Nazis.

With the last year of trump, I think the term fits now.

If you think obama, or biden where Nazis, I dont think you understand what the difference between right-wing, facist and Nazis is.

Maybe I am biased here as a German, but Nazi means a quite specific group within the fascists

(Italian fascists are not Nazis for example, as Nazis directly see themself as in tradition of Hitler, fascists dont necessarily do this)

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So, instead of looking away, what can be done from the outside?

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Do you know me? From where do you get this info?

I live by the principle of "der hauptfeind steht im eigenen land" (the main enemy is in ones own country) Ergo I put my main focus on politics here.

I demonstrate for peace, try to organize people to get off of american platforms, am in an anti-facist organization.

You expect me to fly to the US and demonstrate there? I dont think they would let me in.

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It's also really funny that it's also paralleled with the rise of powerful pedofiles, and isreali meddling.

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ani.social

Itt: dipshits who think the us is the only bad country to have ever existed

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The exact opposite actually. Everyone knows other countries have been dickheads before. And they are eventually humbled by war/gradual disenfranchisement/apathy/believing their own hype/over reach or spreading themselves too thin/internal revolution due in inequality or barbarism.

Now it's the US's turn. We're just all wondering which method is going to take place to bring them down. We're watching the fall of an empire and it's both fascinating (especially to history nerds like myself because we're living through important times) but also terrifying (especially to history nerds like myself who knows what usually happens). All empires eventually fall, just ask gestures towards all of Europe, Africa, Middle East, Asia and the rest of the Americas

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