Reddit has permanently suspended my account for supporting Lemmy.
I have been supporting Lemmy recently a lot and made posts about Lemmy that got big reach. Today, sadly the reddit account through which, I moderated a lot of subs and spent time on, comes to an end. The reason was because I spammed according to reddit, but the reality is that they have censored me because I was hurting Reddit.
Asking multiple third-party app devs consider Lemmy + Made the same post here as well
I never thought this would happen, not that I didn't completely expect it (but maybe not this soon and sudden), after all Reddit is known for censorship, and the fact that Reddit admins have absolute power over this website makes this believable. But part of me, misses that reddit account, it has been special to me, as I've spent countless of hours spending my personal time to moderate and improve communities that helped Reddit thrive. I moderated as many subs as over 25, many of them had atleast over 1k people, some as many as 200k if not more.
Before this happened, suspiciously, they banned r/LemmyMigration today early morning,
it remained banned for a few hours and returned back to normal (not weird at all). I thought that was a mistake, as the sub was back to normal unbanned, but it seems like the Reddit admins realized if they banned my sub, that would prove how they censor it, it can work against them. Now, it seems like they have realized that bringing my account down would be more effective, and stop me from possibly sharing how they censored my sub on other subs for example.
It's a shame, and part of me is sad, everything I worked hard for was taken away by them all of a sudden. I wanted to bring some of my communities here, now everything is gone, and it feels more like starting from scratch (Or discuss with mods I am still in contact with, and get help to bring communities I was planning on bring here, but it certainly makes things harder, not giving up anyways, especially not after this).
BTW I have filled an appeal, but I don't expect this to be reversed, this was planned by the Reddit admins and all they have to do is ignore my appeal, there is nothing more I can do to get my account back, and they just got rid of someone who was pinpointing some of their biggest flaws and potentially dangering their platform's dominance in the "aggregation and discussion platforms" market.
A note to all refugees and ex-redditors here, or those who are planning to join Lemmy - See the power a centralized corporation like Reddit holds. With a decentralized alternative like Lemmy, you can host your own instance or join another one if you get censored, with lemmy, we can put more power back in the hands of the people.
I don't have much else to say, moving on I will have to work with mods left that I do know through external platforms like Discord and try to bring some communities here. I hope this does not happen to any other moderator who have spend countless of hours helping Reddit in-directly like I did, somehow escaping such a suspension.
EDIT: There is some controversy in the comments if I actually spammed, I don't think I spammed at all, I only made a post on r/ApolloApp, it became a hit so I cross-posted it to other third-party app subs, just so that it can hopefully reach out to the respective developers for them to possibly consider Lemmy in the wake of new reddit API changes.
I was also certainly not the only one mentioning alternatives like Lemmy on the r/Apolloapp or any other third-party app sub, in-fact many people were mentioning alternatives, though I was banned, also my community r/LemmyMigration as mentioned above was called spam (and was temporarily banned, but was weirdly brought back up just to put my account down later today afternoon) when it only had 2 posts today morning. To me, "spam" seems like it is only used as a cover up by Reddit, the real reason is that my posts, just like r/LemmyMigration, was about Lemmy, a competition to Reddit.
Also if it was really spam, as soon as I cross-posted my post from r/apolloapp to the other subs, the mods would have removed it well before they got a lot of attention, why didn't they?
EDIT 2: A user called @danke has been spreading misinformation about me in the comments:
Just as you did on your newly created reddit alt, you’re painting this lie that you were banned for your tiny no-name subreddit and not for spamming this garbage on 11 different mobile app subreddits in quick succession. It’s truly like clockwork for sitebanned users to lie and omit these massive details.
This is a blatant lie, I mentioned about the cross-posts right IN THIS post: "Asking multiple third-party app devs consider Lemmy + Made the same post here as well"
As you can see, I made the post right here and on reddit, i never missed any details.
This is another good reason to stop using reddit. The internet used to have millions of active message boards for discussion of numerous topics. Reddit has essentially become one giant message board to rule them all. The world does not need this. Best to help decentralize the internet by promoting alternatives.
One of the reason reddit rose from these boards was persistence, boards were all over the place and no sureness if they will stay tomorrow. It seems reddit posts now have the same fate.
Delphi was pretty good. But it was also fairly persistent.
It is not just reddit.
Facebook, Instragram, etc. have centralised the internet.
This is showing that they know about Lemmy, which to a huge corporation like that is huge. It means they're starting to take it seriously.
Good. Let them sweat.
Sorry you had your account taken away because of it. I'll use my throwaways now to evangelize it.
They absolutely know about us, probably from a long time ago, but especially in this past week, with lemmy getting posted everywhere.
They've done an amazing job at burning their community. They think 3rd party apps are only used by super nerds (or at least many of the people I've talked to do), but I think they forgot who provides most of the content.
Well, bots now, but good content usually came from the super nerds
Sometimes I do get a bit doomerist about it. If reddit is to be believed, they claim something like < 20% of people use old.reddit, or mobile apps. That seems incredibly low to me, but I must admit most of the people who I encounter IRL that use reddit don't know about old reddit, RES, or other apps.
Which is why they've been waiting, I'm sure they kept the numbers updated to know what critical mass they thought they needed to be able to chop off this part of their userbase. Ignoring that this part was also the ones who are their most dedicated users, there for the longest amount of time.
I think it has more to do with timing on business/IPO decisions. They've decided their plan forward, and they've decided that they can afford to lose some users.
I think they've also convinced themselves that most people using 3rd party apps or old.reddit will just get in line, because they won't want to actually leave the platform.
I wonder how that'll work out for them.
I'm sure there's a report in someone's email of the psychology behind it, projected people who will comply and how many people will be projected to actually leave.
Agree, this is certainly a calculated move.
They could be pulling something sneaky here. The vast majority of people lurk, and most people who lurk probably don't even have accounts. If you haven't bothered to sign up, you probably haven't bothered to use the old interface or a third party application. It wouldn't surprise me if the vast majority of their traffic comes through the standard web interface, even if the stats for user activity paint a different picture.
Plus a lot of the things they have been doing recently are dark patterns to get the visitor to make an account or even force it. Google a thing not logged in and they will force you to log in.
You'd be surprised. For example, on r/electricvehicles, one of the subs I used to moderate, the majority of our community members were on mobile platforms, more than those on PC even though I am personally more on PC.
The problem with that rhetoric is that scrollzombies and idiots posting one-liners for karma aren’t the ones providing Reddit with the most value; it’s the unpaid moderators and ‘power-users’ who care so much about how they use Reddit that they’d pay money to do it on their own terms.
Spez knows this, and all he knows how much damage this will cause to the platform; all he wants is a golden parachute when the IPO happens.
I have a feeling that if you really crunch Reddit's numbers, the content that provides the most engagement and revenue is NSFW content. Reddit is one of the only large social media websites that allows NSFW and the subreddit system makes it much easier to categorize and find content than Twitter, so there are a massive number of invisible users who do not use the site for anything except NSFW, which is also why it's specifically targeted in the new API policy. Long-term, technically knowledgeable users who produce high-quality content are not nearly as financially exploitable as the mass of users who use Reddit as a NSFW directory and who have no alternative to migrate to.
Plus, the majority of active Reddit users are non-technical "normies" who joined Reddit after hearing about it from trends like the GameStop stock. Those users use the official app and have no idea what an API is, so they don't care and will continue to use Reddit.
Reddit is so damn hypocritical here. They are successful because Digg buried itself doing shit like this. They literally got success as a result of another company doing the speedrun-your-platform-into-oblivion playbook that they are now following themselves. Look in a mirror, idiots, you've become exactly that which was the downfall of your competition some 13 years ago.
It’s almost like rich people have giant egos and think they’re ‘better’ than everyone else just cuz they have a ton of money!
I'm advertising Lemmy on every popular post on my 11 year old account.. I'm already through the painful part of the breakup, and have moved on to better things. Go ahead and ban me Reddit
I just ran powerdelete suit on my reddit accounts and replaced all of my posts/comments with ones urging users to join lemmy. I was going to wait until July 1rst but if reddit is going to get that serious, then so am I. I am OUT!
Reddit deserves this.
how do you do this?
https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite
Dang. I should have done this. I just had it edit and then delete. Oh well. :D
I remember I used to fuck with and annoy the shit out of all the users on r/politics. I would make sure I commented something like "Biden 2020 WOO!," and see my comment escalated all the way to the top of the thread. Then I'd wait about 24/48 hours, go back and edit it to something, like praising Donald Trump, and the comments I got back where hilarious. People demanding I get banned for it. People asking how my comment got to the top of the page. People claiming I was a bot account that paid for upvotes. It was hilarious to watch in real time.
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Hmmmm
Just got banned from a meme sub for making a meme about moving to Lemmy... Even tho the sub is participating in the blackout. Go figure.
Guess Reddit admins can ban anyone even if they don't moderate that specific subreddit.
Many mods are narrow-minded as well. Argentina subreddit was a perfect example.
Have you seen the drama over at r/sysadmin? TBH whether Reddit survives this or not (I'm assuming it will), I'd rather be over here. TBH the smaller user base is actually a plus.
I would suspect that's the admin's doing, but I wouldn't actually know
Things are definitely starting to get weird there, my account is starting to act up, not fetching posts, just had a popup and it went away in chat for "Cannot get info on banned users".
It's Monday morning. Something tells me some new directives came down from on high about competitor talk.
I just had the new UI forced upon my account, and the whole site hiccuped for like 15 minutes through the process. Multiple log-outs, unable to upvote or comment, then suddenly bam, new UI, and everything went back to... not broken.
Lmao this shit is remining me of the hostile take-over of FreeNode.
Same here, but the transition won't be nearly as smooth. With freenode, everyone just switched to Libera.chat within a day or two. This time, people have to choose between different Reddit alternatives. If they just go to Lemmy, they still have to choose instances and such.
Reddit permanently suspended all of my accounts because I said Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a cunt for not retiring when she had the chance. R/politics banned that account, and then a few weeks later I'd forgotten about that incident and commented in another post from a different account. That's when reddit permabanned all of my accounts.
I've been on reddit since August 2008 when Randal Monroe published this xkcd about it: https://xkcd.com/477/
Bonus link: https://www.reddit.com/r/xkcd/comments/71v7z/typewriter_xkcd/
15 fucking years on that site and they ban all my accounts and devices, then third party apps, porn, and who knows what else. Good riddance.
@redditrefugee @Archit bit of a rude word to call her, especially in the US if you're not from here and your culture is a lot more relaxed on that word. So while it's gross that they've banned you I'm kind of not surprised that kind of language would attract that kind of attention.
Except the mods on Reddit don't mind at all if you insult conservatives or Republicans with much worse rhetoric. In fact. they encourage it.
"Spam" reeks of weak horseshit justification for reddit's actions here. Lots of people x-post all sorts of things all the time. They were itching for a legitimate-sounding reason to ban you and they just reached for the first thing they could find using the loosest possible definition.
It is. Have you seen any of those onlyfans girls Reddit accounts? They post the same photo over 100x per day to all different subs. If you scroll down their profile, you can scroll for a good solid 5 minutes before you reach 7 days ago.
This isn't about spam. Spam gets caught in filters. Spammers get shadow banned.
That explicitly violates the spamming and self promotion rules.
Meanwhile, reddit admins:
___In reality, its whatever causes Reddit to look worse for their upcoming IPO.
And the real issue here is that this lying and deception is at the root of Reddit's core values.
https://venturebeat.com/social/reddit-fake-users/
" (Cofounder) Huffman said one other strategy proved crucial to Reddit’s early success, which most people are unaware of: The team submitted a ridiculous amount of content under fake user accounts to give the appearance of popularity. Yes, you read that right. Reddit — a site that values a fair and open democratic process to determine worthy content and police itself — sleeps soundly on a bed of lies. "
Lol thank you for that article. I never knew reddit started out by astroturfing their own site. I'm sure they'd probably stopped doing that by the time I joined, but with that, various leadership/admin scandals in the time since, and now gaslighting third party app devs/users, I'm pretty much done with their shit. I might browse communities that haven't gone another direction yet, but I don't think I'm going to contribute anything over there anymore.
Yeah I had all my accounts permabanned last week myself, including a porn account, 2 camped accounts, and a 10y old occult account. All gone. They also shadowban all from my previous IP.
I also had a rather public blowout as well previously, about very similar issues. All it takes is a few dozen people to report you and permaban city here you come. And no, you're not told why either.
Im done with feeding anything to reddit: including content, comments, or even basic usage/telemetry. I can surf reddiv via cached data via archive.org or google cache.
(and yes, I could defeat their IP and invasive browser/OS identification. No, I hope they die. edit: they as in reddit, not individuals)
Yeah. I'm pretty sure I saw some of OP's posts (it's what led me to sign up here) and they were helpful. I think the only thing considered spammy is maybe some of the crossposting of the same information, but it was useful information (for me at least).
I'm not at all surprised Reddit is doing this sort of thing. They've been known for this, and the timing was ripe for another one of their trademark iron fist overreaches.
All hail Lemmy. I really hope it gets the critical mass it needs after these shenanigans.
Sorry to hear that, I can hardly imagine how that feels. Well, their loss, our win.
This means they're scared. It means we're winning.
https://tenor.com/bLmD4.gif
LOL!
(btw, the gif isn't showing up in your comment. I had to go to source and copy/paste the url of the file)
Damnit lol. I'll just post the link.
Meh. It might just mean they're annoyed and forward thinking. Better to stop talk of this early before it becomes something they actually need to be afraid of.
Let me go ahead and stop you right there.
You are right, that's a great way of looking at this. They are indeed scared, desperate, pathetically desperate.
If this is true, this is probably an anti competitive practice and you can report it to regulation authorities in the US and EU, you might want to consult some non profit that deals with open source and free software for legal advice.
Funny you think the US cares.
Louis Rossmann's lobbying videos have made me lose all of my trust in the integrity of the US government tbh
Things are probably not as black and white as that, The US have fined corporations before for anti competitive practices.
Sure, but the fines seem like just a business expense for most of those corps tbh, small enough that the profit easily outweighs the fine.
We can try to send an email to FSFE and though them we may be able to reach some more visibility. Also, there is a large list of journalists that already use and support the Fediverse, some of them write for big newspapers. Another thing could be directly contacting your MPs, but the communication in that case is different I guess
Hmm, can I share this story on Reddit? Will try
This permalink will take users directly to this thread: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/4329/Reddit-has-permanently-suspended-my-account-for-supporting-Lemmy
Appreciate you guys, seriously.
Welp, I wuppose now is a good a time as any to delete my entire reddit accounts histories. Fuck em.
This is unsurprising, sadly. Reddit’s moderation is a joke, and they’re very well known for putting down oppositional posts and users. With the impending public offering this is only going to get worse.
Today I'm gonna run one of those edit and delete scripts for reddit accounts, and I want my last message to be one promoting this place as a viable alternative :).
That sucks dude. Fuck Reddit
Cracking down on people advertising it is a sign of weakness, they're afraid and need to limit people spreading the word. Hopefully the coordinated moderation strike that a lot of subs are doing makes a dent on their user base, I hope people really move to federated alternatives this time instead of staying on the hostile platform/just crossposting like it happened with the Twitter/Mastodon thing.
Bro, I am perma IP banned from Reddit and so is every single account that has ever been used while connected to my internet.
Reddit is garbage as hell.
EDIT:
They wont. My friends who were banned after connecting to my WiFi appealed, and Reddit declined their appeal. They legit did NOTHING wrong, and Reddit doesn't care.
Sorry about your account.
Wow. I thought it was bad when I got a week-long suspension for telling an admin, who was not using their admin account, to fuck off because he was sea-lioning me in a discussion thread. But perma-banned because you visited someone?
Ridiculous.
To make it clear I was banned because I told a mod on /r/Android that I preferred a Pixel over a Samsung Galaxy. I was banned, forgot about it, was logged in with one of my alts (a business account), and commented.
Reddit temporarily banned me for "ban evasion", but my friends didn't know about this, and when they came over and used their phones, when they commented, it turned the temporary "ban evasion" ban into a perma IP ban.
All of my business and alt accounts, my girlfriends account, all of my friends accounts, all perma-banned.
Something else interesting? I was going through my old screenshots last night, found a screenshot I took from 2020 on an account I forgot I had, and I went and looked, and it too was suspended. Weirdest part, was I moved, got a new IP, and haven't even logged into that account for nearly 3 years. Reddit just blanket banned every single account that touched my current IP, and every account that has connected to the same internet as my JshKlsn account in the past.
Fucking wild. They are scorched earthing everything lol.
Jesus.
You know, I'm a year on the fediverse now, and I've watched months and months of pearl clutching over Mastodon defederations as trans-safe instances have blocked servers with admins that host TERFs and other transphobic accounts.
This has been contextualized by many as "thin skinned admins having power trips" by people who have never watched a thin skinned admin have a power trip.
And I thought I'd seen thin skinned admins have power trips before over 15 years on various message boards. Shit, I thought I'd had a couple of power trips on days when my skin's been thin back on IRC.
But that's setting a new standard for me.
Bigots are gonna bigot, even on platforms that are more resistant to that shit.
Good god, what a pathetic website.
I randomly got banned there just the other day for using a VPN connection to log into my account. Now the last one I had has become permanently suspended.
fuck reddit. lemmy ftw!
Damn, that's some weak shit on their parts. Also temporarily banning LemmyMigration? LMAO
It'd be fun to have Lemmy 'flair' for people banned from Reddit for promoting Lemmy.
I'm really sorry to hear about this. This is really sad and pathetic on Reddit's part.
Mostly unrelated, but the actual discussion in the comments on that post are... yeesh. Why do discussions about freeze peach so quickly degrade into right-wing talking points?
because the only defense of their views is that they're not literally illegal to express
A lot of people who are freeze peach absolutists are nazis, that's why they want the ability to say whatever they want in the first place :/
Nobody has only terrible ideas. The original Nazis got Hugo Boss to design their uniforms after all, and that turned out well.
The rest of it though...woof.
Some of the tech was very good too. But all forms of nazis still deserve to be beat down
Pretty sure Reddit can't ban people for promoting/linking to competitors sites as there is EU regulations in place to prevent this.
This issue was raised when Twitter tried to stop people from linking to their Mastodon accounts. Twitter put the policy in place and then quietly removed it soon after.
If you really believe that you were banned for promoting Lemmy then you should mention this in your appeal but as others have mentioned it seems like the issue was spam.
And sure maybe they were waiting for any reason they could get to ban you because you were promoting Lemmy and they got you on spam, always gotta read the contract/TOS to make sure the other party doesn't get you on a technicality
And that's precisely why the issue is going to be 'spam', even when it isn't. Because if you can't get away with stating the real reason the ban went into effect, you're going to do it under the auspice of something that has a degree of plausible deniability. I'm far less willing to give Reddit the charitable benefit of the doubt on this, seeing the shear amount of ridiculous bans that have been given out to people. But who knows, it's entirely possible it could've been spam.
I don't trust the reason for your ban completely, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on this.
That's shitty and I've been in your shoes (being banned on the shittiest way*), but on a lighter side it shows that promoting Lemmy there has an effect!
I think that "we" (i.e. people who are trying to convince people to migrate) should be doing this harder. Like, mentioning that you've been using Lemmy and other instances in the app subreddits, encouraging people to migrate, highlight other issues that happened and will happen with Reddit, this kind of stuff. A lot of us will be banned under shitty excuses... but frankly? Consider it as a badge.
* What pissed me in that case wasn't even the ban, but which accounts were banned. They banned all my accounts, regardless of recent activity, except the one that I used for mod duties. "We don't want you, but we still want your free worker, you sucker" doesn't work for me. (I don't regret dropping the mod duties on the spot then.)
At this point I am afraid even mentioning Lemmy in a couple of subs will lead Reddit in masking you as spammer, I would have taken it easy even if one of the subs I cross-posted to removed it as spam (things were dead silent, and suddenly a full account suspension comes in, not to mention my sub being banned briefly that is also about Lemmy prior to that), so I don't think this is because they actually look at this as spam, but a convenient way to mask me when they actually censored me and my sub that was growing.
When Reddit doesn't want you to do something, you don't stop doing it; you do it in a smarter way.
Odds are that you triggered Reddit's automatic detection of spam, and they potentially added "lemmy" to the "spam links"; but they have no way to detect something like "lem [remove this] my dot ml" or "that Fediverse platform starting with "l" and ending with "emmy"", or stuff like this. Also, never copy and paste text across communities, as this is rather suspicious activity.
Lol, r/PoliticalCompassMemes was Exhibit A when it came to innovating ways to get around this.
This will also make Lemmy look cool and banned to reddit peoples, and they will want to see what it is and why reddit does not want them to know about it.
That's why it's all the more worthwhile to just cut the cord already and jump ship. If you aren't allowed to state your personal endorsement of something or offer up alternative platforms for discussion, that's something 'else', masquerading as the removal of a spammer. Spamming is in the delivery of the content. Not in proposing something for other people to investigate. I don't have a problem leaning on the side of censorship on this. Especially if your style of post is similar to what you've displayed here on this thread. If not though, then your bad was probably justified.
Reddit is trash. Reddit admins are trash.
i got banned from my fav game's sub (gta online) for saying fuck islam cus many casino features are unavailable for me, even the -free- daily casino wheel spin... their reasoning was "racism". im an arab...
White people say the darnest things when they think they're on the moral high ground.
I will :)
So, this might or might not provoke the Streisand effect? At either case it's important to post links to your alternative accounts on different platforms on your bio and put it in archive.org + archive.today for ban reasons. Anyone on any platform can get banned, it's important to have a plan for that. Hope you can recover at least partial/full of what was banned.
I'll be delting my 8 year old Reddit Account at the end of the month. I'm moving to Lemmy as my new Reddit.
same - but I deleted my 15 yr old account today along with a few others I havent used in years.
I want to, but I will miss my eternian friends. It's not often you find a cool group of supportive people randomly like that.
Dude, a reason more to move them all here, start a new community, and prosper. Heck, I don't even know what it's about, but I'll join it! You're already here, amirite?
Already did it, on a whim. Also 8 years, 14k karma, some great posts and comments. Fuck it, I don't care, I started to feel guilty for spending free time on platform that got sick quite fast.
Shameless promotion of my new community: SNOOcalypse. I created it so people can discuss Reddit's downfall, as it's kind of off-topic for /c/opensource, and plus I want to see some activity coming from people who want to get rid of Reddit.
hahaha holy shit
I wonder if "cross-posting about /r/LemmyMigration to a bunch of other subs" triggered an automatic spam filter in a way that a bunch of different people saying "hey have you heard about Lemmy" does not. There's a certain level of slack I'm willing to cut for people trying to moderate something as huge as Reddit or Twitter or whatever; it's what happens in the next few days that's really going to be worth reacting to.
Good luck with the appeal. <3
(Update, a week later: yeah Reddit's CEO completely blew through all that slack I was willing to cut him, and then some.)
Yeah, my appeal has been nothing but ignored, as if it never existed, not even a single reply from them backing their decision.
That AMA tomorrow with the CEO is gonna be a heck of a thing, that’s for sure.
I believe I got shadow-banned as well for trying to promote the instance I host, oh well 🤷
Why would you work for free to help reddit, when you know what they are? Is it because you still have hope the site will go back to how it was when you started?
I stopped when I realized and started supporting FOSS projects like Lemmy, in-fact that's why I posted about Lemmy, and in-turn got banned for mentioning reddit's competitor, and most probably making reddit admins feel in-secure.
I kind of gave away everything I did at Reddit for Lemmy, and somehow it was something I was expecting might happen, I was willing to take the risk anyways, this proves the disadvantages of relying on a platform like Reddit.
To be fair, they didn’t remove other posts which was posted 3 days ago such as these from r/datahorder and r/apolloapp
https://reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/13yigdh/a_proposal_message_to_mods_do_you_want_to_have_a/
https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13xy42u/now_that_reddit_has_become_greedy_with_its_api/
Based on a comment here, you were aggressively cross posting. I believe this was the reason for banning you.
They are filtering all the links that conduce to lemmy instances, and anti-spam bots are limiting the lemmy links and (auto) banning comments related.
I was looking for an alternative for a long time. Your posts and sub just offered me an option that was better than any I'd seen before. Kudos, man! I logged out of reddit and don't see myself going back, honestly.
I just saw this post on videogamer.com sucks though. Reddit can go down in flames! I'm gonna miss it though ngl
reddit was really bad anyways
Just as you did on your newly created reddit alt, you're painting this lie that you were banned for your tiny no-name subreddit and not for spamming this garbage on 11 different mobile app subreddits in quick succession. It's truly like clockwork for sitebanned users to lie and omit these massive details.
dam, I feel a tad like an ass for deleting my reddit comments the way I did. Oh well, guess there's no turning back now.
Edit: never mind, @[email protected] seems to have made an account with the express purpose of making these comments, while OP is a 2Y old account, who posted the other day about helping redditors migrate over here. Idk what the actual truth of this situation is, but I'm inclined to lean towards OPs side of the story. I remember OPs reddit posts and they wheren't "spam" from what I could tell, he just posted basically the same post to multiple subreddits and AFAIK he didn't repeatedly post to the same subreddit multiple times.
Thank you for understanding man, I have no ill intention, I made a single post on r/ApolloApp, and cross-posted it to the other third-party app subs, to hopefully reach out to the respective devs so they can possibly consider Lemmy. It was not spamming in my opinion, if it ever was, the mods would have removed those cross-posts right away.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still skeptical on some of this, but I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. This seems like it could be a missunderstanding, either by you or the subreddit mods/admins. I'm sorry that happened to your reddit account, but I'm not yet convinced that its happening to everyone's account. Regardless, I doubt reddit will stand by and let its users flock to lemmy in droves without a fight.
And any of this still does not justify or answer what happened with r/LemmyMigration as mentioned in the post, they just called the sub as "spam", just to keep it banned for a few hours in the morning and bring it back. And the reality was that the sub has no more than 2 posts, how is that spamming?
Yea that part does seem super shady. Either way we are all better off here I think. Even if that part is not true(and I'm leaning towards it being true), it proves a point. Reddit(the company) has ultimate authority over all redditors, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Reddit is inclined to police their website in a way that promotes their own finantial interests and overprotects their company from real and perceived threats. It makes sense that they would at least have a more hardline attitude of their rules towards anyone who threatens their profit margin.
I literally mentioned about this in this post. Can you stop lying and spreading misinformation about me?
EDIT: Looks like posts from my account can’t be seen, but anyways, I have mentioned my cross-posts of my post on r/ApolloApp to the other third-party app subs right here “Asking multiple third-party app devs consider Lemmy + Made the same post here as well” in this post.
So no, I have mentioned all details in this post, I have not missed anything, this person is spreading misinformation about me.
In simple words, I cross-posted what I posted on r/ApolloApp to the other third-party app subs, that is not "spamming", if it was ever considered against the rules, the moderators of these subs would have taken down my posts at the time, well before they grew.
EDIT: Looks like posts from my account can't be seen, but anyways, I have mentioned my cross-posts of my post on r/ApolloApp to the other third-party app subs right here "Asking multiple third-party app devs consider Lemmy + Made the same post here as well" in this post.
So no, I have mentioned all details in this post, I have not missed anything, this person is spreading misinformation about me.
The post was removed (and the account is non-existing), do you know the reason for this?
Ban evasion. OP literally said "Reddit has permanently suspended my account". That's just asking for it.
Hmm interesting, they seem to be fast then, and it probably confirms a non-auto-removal (of the original account).
I am not sure, maybe they realized it's me because others can't seem to see my post, nor can I delete the account.
Look, I just wanted to share this post there on r/redditalternatives and delete my account, I obviously didn't wanted to invade ban, now reddit is not even letting me delete my new account, it keeps making me reset password whenever I click at "delete account".
Yes, you did post on your ban-evasion account, so the content you linked has been shadowbanned. I'll copy the last publicly accessible text for posterity, which very clearly demonstrates exactly what I stated about you omitting your cross-post spam activity:
I deleted that post in like 5 minutes after posting it, because I missed some details that you took advantage of, me cross-posting my post from r/Apolloapp is actually linked in this post. See "Asking multiple third-party app devs consider Lemmy + Made the same post here as well" in this post right here? I would not have included that if I wanted to actually omit out info. Again stop spreading misinformation.
Yeah reddit sucks but this was a reasonable ban. I saw OP posting that all over the place and pinging devs to the point it looked suspiciously close to self promo. I'm surprised the ban didn't happen earlier. It was pretty blatantly spam.
I respect your opinion, but I don't agree. It was a single post on r/ApolloApp that was cross-posted to a few other communities, and if that was considered as spam, wouldn't have the sub's own mods removed it and let me know?
But a complete suspension from the whole website? This was more than just the given reason "spamming".
It's not my opinion. It's literally in the site rules - https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043504051 Bullet point 2 in the second list. Bullet point 3 arguably also applies since lemmy could be said to be unrelated to the subreddits in which you were posting. And when site wide rules get broken then it's the admins that step in, not subreddit moderators.
Edit: As for the self promo part I mentioned in my previous comment, that would fall under bullet point 2 of the first list in the link. While you may not actually have a stake in lemmy, your actions on reddit definitely made me suspicious that you did before I looked into lemmy more and learned who the the heads of the project are. It would have been easy for a mod or admin to have seem just your comments on reddit and assume the same thing.
I'm not saying I disagree with your motives but your actions were pretty clearly breaking long established rules.
There are plenty of other reasons to criticize reddit. Enforcing their existing rules is not one of them.
Again I don't agree with this. Why?
I wouldn't say Lemmy was completely irrelevant, and it was certainly not just me asking devs at r/ApolloApp to consider switching Reddit's APIs to Lemmy's thanks to the recent API news, this was totally relevent, here is another post from another user mentioning lemmy on the r/ApolloApp post.
If these other users mentioning alternatives are not banned, why was I?
Also as mentioned in the 3rd bullet point, if I am not sure, contact the mods right? The very same mods would have very well seen my posts, especially when it had a lot of upvotes, if that was actually considered as spam, they would have removed it.
The user you linked made a single post and a single comment on the topic. You spread a ton of posts and comments across several subreddits.
The subreddit mods might have reported you to the admins as a spammer - that's what they do when they see someone breaking site wide rules. Like it or not, they are under no obligation to communicate with you about it beforehand. It's also possible that none of the subreddit mods had an issue with it and you happened to be noticed by an admin who saw you were breaking the rules.
I did cross-post it, and I think that is indeed what cross-posting is for.
If that's true, they would have also removed my post, even if a one sub's mod team missed it, I cross-posted it to a couple of other subs, did all of them just let my post grow and silently report to Reddit's admins? No, I don't think this is the case.
EDIT: As a long-time reddit moderator, I know what we would typically do if we saw spammers, we can report them as you said, but we also mainly (and first) remove their posts, but that did not happen across any of the subs I cross-posted to. And this does not explain what happened briefly with my r/LemmyMigration sub today morning either.
I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. In my opinion posting the same thing across 11 subreddits (even as crossposts), pinging a bunch of other users, and making a lot of comments that mostly just said "move to lemmy" is excessive.
I'm not a mod of one of the subs so I can't explain why they did or didn't do something.
Again, I don't necessarily disagree with your motives but you made yourself a really easy target for reddit.
Other users x-post like this all the time (cough e-girls cough) and literally nothing happens because it helps drive reddit viewership and ultimately ad views. If this violates anti-spam rules, then this is quite the conveniently selective enforcement.
True. That should result in bans too.
I saw on reddit that OP got unbanned which does indeed make the situation a lot more suspicious.
In the end spam comes down to what a person thinks is reasonable and as we have seen time and time again, that definition varies from person to person.
Relevant trope: Wounded Gazelle Gambit
Ever seen an only fans poster? Sometimes 50 or 60 of the same post to sub after sub after sub. Note THAT is spam, not OPs output. Why are the OF spammer allowed to stay and not OP?
Reddit has become something resembling an authoritarian gov that punishes for "anti revolutionary thought"
I'm getting pretty tired of the Reddit drama - I think my bucket of popcorn is empty. I don't see Reddit changing their tune so I'm just going all-in on Lemmy.
Fwwl proud. Be proud to have been kicked off. Means they are afraid>
My attempts to drop Lemmy URLs in comments on reddit have also silently been canned. I have to do shit like
lemmygrad DOT ml SLASH signupinstead.Can we please get a badge/flair added for this?
Wish I could've had the same honors bestowed upon me, but I've already had multiple accounts banned there for going against the grain of the hivemind.
I'd love that @[email protected]
Maybe a flair for ex-reddit moderators/reddit refugees.
Unfortunately, flairs aren't implemented yet. It's in the GitHub issues, but considering Lemmy just grew 12-fold overnight, they're obviously focusing on optimization :))
As I read your post, I had a lot of the same thoughts as others have replied... first I was ready to kill my /r/ accounts and run away forever [which I would regardless, except the masses are there..] and then I didn't full trust the reason behind your ban - I've talked about other open source/federated projects on Reddit, a lot...
And I assume the truth of the matter lies somewhere in between... regardless of that, tho, I appreciate your post. I'm sorry that you got the boot from big brother and I'm happy that you're here, using Lemmy and whatever Lemmy community you're on. [I'm on Beehaw.org.]
While I use Reddit, I think I know the solution for me... I'm going to start talking about Lemmy there in all my /r/tech* subs. Lemmy is worthy of the talk, and for users to come over... I'll promote Beehaw.org, as I fully agree with their policies and ideals for running the site - and I'll see what, if any, pushback I get on the /r/ platform.
If for any reason I run into the same as you're experiencing, I want to know sooner than later so I can rid myself of the /r/ forever!!
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It's because you are making their investors lose money 😭😭😭 how tragic /s
Seems crazy they would ban you for talking about lemmy as its so tiny but there probably scared it will blow up like mastodon and start losing them money better to kill it now before it gets well known
I actually hope it goes away and gives space for other options. The world has enough.
(don't)
I got banned from Reddit from creating another ban that was put for drawing criticism to a company in which I was massively backed by the community.
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It’s proof that Reddit is legitimately afraid, enough that they’re resorting to astroturfing and censorship.
That's why I'm done with reddit. The blatant censorship and leftist circle jerking was enough to drive me away.
You are aware of where you ended up right?
So Lemmy is going to be more of the same?
There’s a pretty strong contingent of Marxists, Leninists, and left-leaning people in the federated lemmy network, yes. I like it a lot more than Reddit and their coddling of the actually dangerous to society as a whole far-right, built I just found it ironic you came to lemmy to get away from the left lol.
I left reddit because of the blatant censorship against anything that is right leaning. I've had comments removed that were just remotely supporting a conservative position and been attacked by others for the same. If it's going to be the same here, then I probably won't subscribe to political communities.
It mostly depends on the sub you post in. The subs that were banned were pretty horrible (r/thedonald). But r/conservative is still there. But if you do not think they are "a little" right leaning I guess we are on very different books.
r/conservative is being brigaded by the left and the mods on that sub do nothing to stop it.
Just so you know, being censored and being criticized by others isn't the same thing.
I'm talking about having posts removed for nothing more than going against the narrative. I'm cool with criticism.
How exactly are Lemmy and Mastodon centralized?
Really? There's what.. dozens of thousands of accounts on the main server alone? That's centralization. Decentralization is when there's no servers and you own your data. For example, Manyverse using SSB (Secure Scuttlebutt) protocol, is trully decentralized, has a thing called Pubs but it's optional. Also works offline, via WiFi, etc.
Self-hosting is a thing you know... I'm not on the main server
Self-hosting is exactly what guarantees it wouldn't happen on Lenny.
We are not in 2010 anymore and all of that stuff is trivial. Even with Lemmy's docs being a bit out of date, it took all of an hour or two to set up an instance. I don't think everyone self-hosting their own instance is the way to go, but the ease of setting up new instances absolutely means that a single central entity doesn't and can't have absolute power.
"Most people" will sign up with an arbitrary popular instance and never care about this whole conversation. If something happens to that instance, it will cause a lot of drama that educates a lot of people and they will all choose new instances to migrate to. The system is still in no way centralized.
Or you could just pay for a hosting service and of course it's gonna be harder than just installing an application.