Spyke
lemmy.ca

She does seem like the "I'm taking you down with me" type, doesn't she?

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Pretty much everyone in the GOP is that type. It’s basically a prerequisite to be that selfish

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Yes, in a blaze of glory mexican stand type scenario would be great.
The Puppy killer, Ghouly Goebbels, and the child rapist all blasting each other. No survivors!

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Smoogsreply
lemmy.world

I wish too but that website has AI generated investment scams all over the bottom of it. I’m hesitating to believe this.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

I mean… she’s not completely wrong, but she could have, you know, not have followed fascist orders too. All on them need to be held accountable

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piefed.social

Agreed. “I was just following orders” has pretty famously been eliminated as a credible defense.

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azertyfunreply
sh.itjust.works

Except the Trials where that precedent was supposedly established actually allowed a great many people to escape conviction using that exact defense, then the prosecution subsequently gave up on the trials altogether. The Nuremberg trials were a travesty of justice, not because the Allies set up kangaroo courts, but because in an attempt to avoid such accusations and through unbelievable prosecutorial incompetence they let almost every Nazi who was still alive run free.

What I'm getting at is, don't expect justice to magically administer itself.

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Not so much not follow orders, but how about go for the job. You don't get a job like that without going after it and pulling strings. And you could resign at anytime.

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piefed.world

Y'all really don't understand that this headline is tailored for you.

In Noem's mind, this says "Kristi Noem Credits Her Actions to Trump and Stephen Miller."

She's running to the MAGA safehouse. This isn't "I was following orders." This is "I was given orders, and look at how perfectly I followed them!"

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chaogomureply
lemmy.world

Ah, but she just sinned against Trump. She said something that can be interpreted as blaming Trump. That's a big no no to a narcissist.

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piefed.world

You can only see it this way if you're on the receiving end of a left-oriented headline. Your perspective is fueled by clickbait. Trump's perspective is still mafia mentality.

Trump's already publicly defended her on Fox News, and I can't tell if a throwaway quote on Axios or Trump standing in a Golden Corral or whatever the fuck it is, giving an interview about how she's "done it all" happened first - it's a matter of hours. Point is, she is loyal AF and she is his last line of defense on everything DHS does. He needs her now more than ever and she's survived much worse several times over already. She's the shield he uses for everything - and he's positioning himself that way for a long-term benefit to him. Bovnio was always disposable because he's not in the money club. Noem is, and she's young enough to have a career after all this if our timeline gets worse. Even if she gets impeached.

Trump can't play Noem out until it's worth it to him, and it's no where near that yet. Bovino was the cost already, and no one liked him on the right anyway. Plus he flew too close to the sun, and THAT was the sin to a narcissist, to think he could play at the same level. His job was as a shield for Noem, full stop. Homan is next up until he installs the next public-facing nazi cosplayer and goes to Maine to also be the fodder for the next round. Trump hates LEOs and the military until he needs them, and so they're the disposable ones to him.

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heshreply

I get what you mean, but just now Trump is distancing himself from the negative perception of the ICE murders, so it might be a bad time for her to point the ownership at him.

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Except Stephen Miller explicitly said they were doing it wrong and they were looking into why things were being done incorrectly...

It seems like they are spinning into it is being done wrong but it's their fault, maybe up to and including Noem....

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xorolloreply
leminal.space

I agree with you, this is her intent. But Trump and Steven will throw her under the bus to give the people a culprit and then keep doing everything they've been doing. This is why they sent Bovino home and replaced him with Homan.

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piefed.world

Never. Or....not never, but not until it's really worth it. Noem absorbs flak for Trump, Bovino absorbed it for Noem. Homan is just Senior Manager playing Middle Manager until they get some new idiot in there to do the job and absorb flak for both of them.

Homan knows enough to stay in DC and out of the way of televised action. He's been an appointee for 22 years. He's not stupid, he's not a MAGA appointee chud, and he's not naive. He knows the politics of his job and knows that as an Obama-era appointee, even if he looks like he slipped up, he's out with that mark on his record to blame. He might be loyal, but he can never live down that original sin and so he goes on TV to slur his way through a Meet the Press interview and defend Trump to extend his worth one more week at a time.

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Agreed -- they do seem to have a higher bar in 2.0 for the level of absurdity they can get away with without tossing acolytes under the bus.

Interesting about Homan, I haven't been following for that long. Didn't realize his history.

And I guess the real point is that this article is meaningless because even if she does go away, it doesn't matter. They're still going to keep doing what they are doing. We haven't won yet.

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lemmy.world

“I was given orders, and look at how perfectly I followed them!”

You can't run to MAGA if you blame Trump for anything, they won't accept it.

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It's extremely inconsequential for all of them to just blame the person that's least likely to face justice for any crimes, so it seems even that was a calculated fold, even if it folded like a cheap suit.

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There's that word again. "Blame" is a word that includes judgement imposed on you by the medium. Judgement is 100% absent from how Trump will get the information, and he absolutely does not care about what someone else says about someone else because he's a narcissist. They will gladly all say "Oh, I dunno...ask the other person..." until the news cycle ends and this whole Iran invasion happens.

FFS, if Kash Patel is still in with these people, and Noem is displaying solid gold loyalty, this will blow over in a day or two. Really. Set a reminder on your phone for a week from now, or two weeks, and either give me a solid " I told you so" or not.

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“When you raid a cat house you arrest the piano player too.”

Buford T. Justice- Smokey and the Bandit 1977

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Well that's the wonderful thing about being a cult leader. You're the only one who can solve the problem. So you get whatever you want, you get all the credit when things go well, and when everything goes wrong... you become everyone's scapegoat. It's not a valid excuse, but it is human psychology.

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lemmy.world

Kristi's braincell: don't say you were just following orders, don't say you were just following orders...

"It was Stephen!"

Kristi's braincell: nice 😎

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Welp, we won't be seeing her much longer.

Guess she'll have to fall back on her hobby of shooting puppies in the face.

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Some would call it a hobby. For Kristi Noem it's a calling.

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lemmy.world

Im with you. I've literally seen more attractive blow up dolls. She's mutilated her face.

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Yes, but she does a wonderful job of warning you about it by telegraphing her insanity with that face.

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shes evil, she knows shes evil, she enjoys that shes evil, but cant admit that shes evil bcs she knows everybody hates her.

the essence of being a right-wing nutjob

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lemmy.ca

Isla, She Wolf of the SS, is going to find out the hard way the bimbos are the first to get thrown under the bus in that party.

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cheetreply
infosec.pub

Damn that's a reference I wish I didn't know.

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lemmy.world

This isn't her trying to excuse or justify her actions because she senses some looming consequence, this is her reiterating her loyalty to trump and the cause in the face of outside criticism.

edit: Also maybe push Miller under the bus, the reporting on this is kinda weird. Axios says there's calls for her resignation, MSN says there's calls for Miller to face censure... not actually sure what's true with this one

edit 2: much better article that explains the situation from Atlanta Black Star

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Not really. No one is taking about Bubba, Gaza, scotus, NATO, Ukraine, Venezuela, etc.

I have to assume Miller is unhappy while still winning.

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This is a yes-and moment. I thought it was silly that momentum was building around impeaching noem when what we clearly and obviously need to do is remove Trump. So, yes-and. Yes, impeach noem, AND remove Trump.

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Oh it's absolutely beautiful. For the first time in a year and a half, I'm not fucking ashamed of my tribe; and I look forward to feeling similar about my government.

Yoo. Ess. Ay.

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lemmy.today

PeeWee Himmler is a student of Nazi Germany, and expected that Americans would fold up like Germans still recovering from WW1. He thought that murdering a few people in the streets would intimidate the entire country into staying in their houses. He doesn't understand that Americans grow up hearing fables of Revolutionaries whooping the most powerful army in the world.

Americans don't get intimidated, they get angrier, and eventually they get ferocious.

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All they're doing is pissing off the people who already have guns, while convincing their political rivals to start buying guns.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Tbh a big portion is that we have nearly live coverage from a million different angles. Without that the newspapers would have said he was a domestic terrorist and we would have had no further information.

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Valid.

It's hard to convince us when we have footage from every angle, which is the reason for all these "auditors" with cameras, and also the reason that ICE Apes consider cameras almost as dangerous as guns.

Minnesota is complaining that they can't prosecute the killers without the evidence that DHS stole, but it seems to me that all the evidence they require is the many videos of each incident. Just play those for the jury, and they'll convict.

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lemmy.world

And then we take a song you wrote to mock us and sing it as a celebration of that time we kicked your ass.

The club of those who beat us includes only three members, two of which were proxy wars we ultimately weren't willing to commit to. Not exactly a record that screams "easy target"

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lemmy.ca

Who are the 3 countries? Canada, Vietnam, Afghanistan, ottoman empire, or cuba? Im sure there's more that's just off the top of my head.

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I'm not familiar with the Ottoman case. Cuba ig I see an argument for. It didn't occur to me because the Bay of Pigs isn't usually thought of as a war and it mostly wasn't us on the ground. In any case, it was such a slap dash affair that it only makes my argument stronger

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She couldn't make the announcement until she found a perfect costume with a sexy hat.

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lemmy.ca

If you're an adult who has been put in charge of an entire government department, you should take responsibility for your actions

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lemmy.world

Hey all, I really want this to be true but let’s keep it above board. that site you just listed has a lot of scam sites linked at the bottom with AI slop trying to prey on vulnerable people to invest in vymnex/linkbait scams.

I hate what the right are doing too but we can remain to strive better than this. Don’t dive to this level.

Fight better.

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samus12345reply
sh.itjust.works

that site you just listed has a lot of scam sites linked at the bottom with AI slop trying to prey on vulnerable people to invest in vymnex/linkbait scams.

It does?

disables ublock origin

Oh, there they are! Yuck!

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So these news sites you have been visiting; you admit you haven’t stopped even for a beat to question it or at least cross check your news before swallowing and sharing the slop?

Bad human. Bad.

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A ruler who hides behind paid executioners soon forgets what death is.

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Crying. He says... She says to me. She says.

Hold on, they reversed Alzheimer's on a mouse! Find me that f##@#@@ mouse! I'm gonna eat that mouse!

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I’m glad that when she goes down, she’s going to drag them to hell with her.

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piefed.world

And there we have it folks, the loyalty of MAGA in all its glory.

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It's believable she was told to blame the person least likely to face justice. After all, why not blame Tom Homan?

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Well they already were starting to blame her and throw her under the bus...

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Nice to see that if you google Giuliani, they're running with the "I'm melting" pic for the default

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lemmy.world

Hundreds of Nazi's used the same defense. They were hanged shortly thereafter.

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lemmy.ca

read more.

barely 12 Nazis were killed at Nuremberg, 10 were hung.

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In five-and-a-half years, Landsberg Prison was the place of execution of 252 condemned war criminals, all of them by hanging.[4] Executions were carried out expeditiously. In May 1946, 28 former SS guards from Dachau were hanged within a four-day period.[5] Bodies that were not claimed were buried in unmarked graves in the cemetery next to the Spöttingen chapel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsberg_Prison

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