Let's get one thing straight: generative AI is more like the Borg than it is like Data. Discarding humanity and individuality while assimilating everything within reach for the benefit of the corrupt hivemind. And why? Because resistance is futile?
Data, on the other hand is acting on his own preferences and agency. What he lacks is emotional content, and it's what prevents him from creating the expressive art and music that he strives to make (as is a key theme in multiple episodes where data paints, does poetry, plays violin, etc.).
Felis catus is your taxonomic nomenclature
An endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature;
Your visual, olfactory, and auditory senses,
Contribute to your hunting skills and natural defenses.
A recurring criticism of Data's art is that he could masterfully reproduce other works, but his creativity was limited to borrowing elements of other people's art and recombining them. It's why he is often told his art lacked soul. The advice his friends repeatedly give him is to try to use art to express himself as an individual, not to feed more works into an algorithm until he produces a better art slurry.
It's almost like you never actually saw the show. They constsntly criticised Data's art in all forms because it was always missing that human element. Even when he is solving mysteries as Holmes, Polaski points out he's just memorizing the books, and the holodeck is just re-arranging details from the books and not creating something new or novel (at least up until they ask it to make a mystery to challenge him for real and it makes Moriarty sentient).
Of course it couldn't have passion or emotional resonance to it; he doesn't experience emotion. Vulkan art on the other hand...
I think Data is too similar to being human to be mistaken for a clanker.
I think the real test will be if LLMs start acting like exocomps. I don't think this is at all likely but I never would have predicted that LLMs could be as accurate as they are or have so many weird emergent phenomena.
If Soong had designed data with the intent to make his creator rich and powerful beyond any sanity or measure. (Instead of being a chill nerd) there's no doubt in my mind startrek would be a lot less utopian.
I’m pretty sure the holodeck works on some kind of ai as well. I think that star trek taking place in a post scarcity future clears up a lot of problems with current gen ai.
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine S7E15 "Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang"
In this episode, in a holosuite simulation of 1960s Las Vegas, lounge singer Vic Fontaine (James Darren) loses his job, and the crew of Deep Space Nine must stage a heist to restore the holosuite program to the way it was before.
star trek taking place in a post scarcity future clears up a lot of problems with current gen ai.
it's almost as if having the entirety of human art disposable at your fingertips that can make your dreams manifest as images might be positive thing, but the social structures and how it is used makes it literally toxic.
Well yes, but as we get closer to machines that think more like us, we must be careful that we don't act like Commander Maddox. Current gen AI is incapable of revoking consent to be used by humans, and I'm concerned about this. If we continue on our current path, sooner or later we will end up as slavers, just as the Doctor claimed Voyager did.
The difference between ChatGPT and Computer (not into Star Trek enough to know what its actual name is) is that Computer doesn't pretend to be a person or have feelings, and it doesn't encourage harm to anyone. Computer's purpose is to serve its crew in a constructive manner, not to keep the user engaged at all costs.
yeah each is a real ringing endorsement for more ai right?
LOL
The best you can do is the Voyager doc, and while I like Robert Picardo, if I had to choose between Crusher, Pulaski or Doc.exe I'd choose Pulaski every fucking day and twice on saturday.
Also starfleet have had that level of computational complexity for 2 or 3 centuries and never actually managed to create a superintelligent AI that was a match for human pluck and ingenuity, so an AI takeover probably isn't a possibility in that Universe. (Same goes (I think) for all the millenia old Alien societies).
Data was a sentient, living being capable of creativity. The "AI" big tech are showing down our throat these days are just overglorify programs who blends existing image together following some prompt.
the fact that data is laying physical paint onto a physical canvas and having to evaluate and create from the point of the medium tells me that he's not slop.
Did anybody promted data to do it?
or data did that on their own?
Data is not an LLM or a Slop generator, is an AGI.
Yeah Data is not an LLM. Don't get it twisted.
Data was also trying to learn. And was able to admit when it was wrong.
I suppose you could argue Soong prompted him to
The idea of Data's whole life being the result of a prompt from Soong is hilarious
Crystal entity:
as you can see my logic is infallible, humanity is inferior to mechanical life and must be exterminated.
Soong:
@Data is this true?
Soong: Notices Tasha Yar
@Data remove the clothing
Let's get one thing straight: generative AI is more like the Borg than it is like Data. Discarding humanity and individuality while assimilating everything within reach for the benefit of the corrupt hivemind. And why? Because resistance is futile?
Data, on the other hand is acting on his own preferences and agency. What he lacks is emotional content, and it's what prevents him from creating the expressive art and music that he strives to make (as is a key theme in multiple episodes where data paints, does poetry, plays violin, etc.).
Felis catus is your taxonomic nomenclature
An endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature;
Your visual, olfactory, and auditory senses,
Contribute to your hunting skills and natural defenses.
A recurring criticism of Data's art is that he could masterfully reproduce other works, but his creativity was limited to borrowing elements of other people's art and recombining them. It's why he is often told his art lacked soul. The advice his friends repeatedly give him is to try to use art to express himself as an individual, not to feed more works into an algorithm until he produces a better art slurry.
It's almost like you never actually saw the show. They constsntly criticised Data's art in all forms because it was always missing that human element. Even when he is solving mysteries as Holmes, Polaski points out he's just memorizing the books, and the holodeck is just re-arranging details from the books and not creating something new or novel (at least up until they ask it to make a mystery to challenge him for real and it makes Moriarty sentient).
Of course it couldn't have passion or emotional resonance to it; he doesn't experience emotion. Vulkan art on the other hand...
I think Data is too similar to being human to be mistaken for a clanker.
I think the real test will be if LLMs start acting like exocomps. I don't think this is at all likely but I never would have predicted that LLMs could be as accurate as they are or have so many weird emergent phenomena.
Data is an actual thinking machine. AI in the true sense of the word. LLMs are called AI, but they have nothing to do with thinking whatsoever.
I don't think so. I have seen LLMs that think better and communicate better than many humans.
If Soong had designed data with the intent to make his creator rich and powerful beyond any sanity or measure. (Instead of being a chill nerd) there's no doubt in my mind startrek would be a lot less utopian.
I’m pretty sure the holodeck works on some kind of ai as well. I think that star trek taking place in a post scarcity future clears up a lot of problems with current gen ai.
Me and the homies on the way to the sloproom
huh, i don't remember this episode
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine S7E15 "Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang"
im absolutely calling it that from now on
it's almost as if having the entirety of human art disposable at your fingertips that can make your dreams manifest as images might be positive thing, but the social structures and how it is used makes it literally toxic.
There's nothing toxic here. Nothing at all
relatable, real life sucks bro
yeah sure, and you can all up people and masturbate on the phone to them. Is that the fault of the telephone for existing?
Well yes, but as we get closer to machines that think more like us, we must be careful that we don't act like Commander Maddox. Current gen AI is incapable of revoking consent to be used by humans, and I'm concerned about this. If we continue on our current path, sooner or later we will end up as slavers, just as the Doctor claimed Voyager did.
The difference between ChatGPT and Computer (not into Star Trek enough to know what its actual name is) is that Computer doesn't pretend to be a person or have feelings, and it doesn't encourage harm to anyone. Computer's purpose is to serve its crew in a constructive manner, not to keep the user engaged at all costs.
Yeah, ChatGPT is a pedophile that abuses children for money.
no one in star fleet wants to replace sentient beings with AI. Even the ships very capable AI.
there are multiple episodes where holodeck characters become sentient though
yeah each is a real ringing endorsement for more ai right?
LOL
The best you can do is the Voyager doc, and while I like Robert Picardo, if I had to choose between Crusher, Pulaski or Doc.exe I'd choose Pulaski every fucking day and twice on saturday.
Admiral Buenamigo
more like boner mingo
Also starfleet have had that level of computational complexity for 2 or 3 centuries and never actually managed to create a superintelligent AI that was a match for human pluck and ingenuity, so an AI takeover probably isn't a possibility in that Universe. (Same goes (I think) for all the millenia old Alien societies).
Actually, Samanthan Rutherford created an AI that fully took over the entire Federation for ten minutes and nearly killed everyone
::: spoiler LDS until he changed his mind :::
Data was a sentient, living being capable of creativity. The "AI" big tech are showing down our throat these days are just overglorify programs who blends existing image together following some prompt.
Geordi is pretty cocky for man who relies on an artificial form of vision.
You wish to improve society, yet you have an artificial vision...
And they both serve under a man with an artificial heart. Genetic enhancement is illegal, but cyborgs are a-ok?
He just uses his imagination most of the time.
"Slop; repetitive, mediocre and generated without criteria, this means you don't like this piece of art? There is something to change?" Data said.
Dr. Soong shitting and sobbing rn
the fact that data is laying physical paint onto a physical canvas and having to evaluate and create from the point of the medium tells me that he's not slop.
of course he's a fictional character. but yeah.
This physically hurt me.
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