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piefed.social

just use excess electricity to make hydrogen. This actually solves the intermittency problem, among many other things that will require hydrogen in order to reach zero emissions.

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silence7reply
slrpnk.net

People are going with batteries and demand-shifting first because they're more cost-effective when it comes to dealing with a few hours of storage. Hydrogen storage is mostly a contender for longer-durarion storage

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Hypxreply
piefed.social

For a few hours, yes, but that will make up a small percentage of total energy stored. To really solve the intermittency problem, you will need large scale energy storage.

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silence7reply
slrpnk.net

You do need some amount of long-duration storage, with the amount depending on how generation diversity and how much clean firm generation you have, but we are still in the early stages of it.

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Hypxreply
piefed.social

The more renewable energy you have, the more you need long-duration energy storage. You cannot reach 100% renewable energy without huge amounts of it.

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silence7reply
slrpnk.net

Depends a lot on where. Places with a lot of both wind and solar need a lot less than those with only one, or with big seasonal heating needs. Way more to say about this than can fit in a comment

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Hypxreply
piefed.social

If you adopt hydrogen for energy storage, you no longer have to worry about "where." You have a solution that is nearly geographically independent.

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Not really; there are real reasons people don't want large-scale storage near populated areas, and it's more expensive than avoiding the need for long-duration storage, and burning it (if you don't store the oxygen, which raises costs even more) produces lung-damage nitrogen oxides. So there's a lot of reasons to minimize the need for hydrogen as much as possible.

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How do you make use of all the hydrogen? Industrial uses? Running it through fuel cells would cost a fortune due to the precious metals involved.

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