Pete Hegseth’s order to ‘kill everybody’ included alleged drug boat survivors: report
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Isn’t this exactly the type of situation that was being used recently as an example of when an order is so blatantly illegal that the soldier is required not to follow it?
and pointing out that it's an illegal order is aparently unamerican
It seems that all those good soldiers who bravely defy orders in the name of American values only exist in propaganda content
Because it comes down to the Presidential pardon powers. They can defy a blatantly illegal order, be dishonorably discharged, lose their pensions, healthcare benefits, pay, etc. or, they can follow a blatantly illegal order, and receive a pardon for it later.
I ask you, which one would you pick?
There is zero evidence there was any push or shove.
This guy needs to be blown apart, or maybe slowly with tiny cuts
It makes me nauseous that my government is responsible for this senseless horror. The military can make no claim to honor when they bomb unarmed men clinging desperately to the burning wreck of the boat that was already illegally bombed.
Never could.
We need make sure those that then carried out that order are jailed as well.
I expect they'll be preemptively pardoned.
What's another war crime for these people? Tuesday?
Such a manly man. Nothing screams "I'm a super serious, super macho, super secure guy!" like summoning all the top generals for a dick waving ceremony, and bombing fishermen from airplanes.
Bombing 3rd world fisherman from the highest tech airplanes in existence*
Ftfy
He has all the energy of every omnivore that eats meat performatively once they learn they are in the presence of a vegetarian.
I’m sensing some unresolved issues irrelevant to the current situation at play in your comment…
Can't wait for Trump to go away so we can jail this fucker for murder.
Yeah he didn't get illegal orders, he gave illegal orders and unless Trump is going to say "everyone in my administration is pardoned of all acts performed during their time in my administration" he is clearly guilty of ordering people to be murdered without any due process.
Oh you sweet summer child.
Even when Trump dies, there is somebody much worse waiting in the wings. 2028 is not going to be a salvation.
Is that a threat?
It very much is a threat to all of us.
Go doom about it
They well all have presidential Parsons so nothing well happen.
.. fuckers ..
Like Obama's drone strikes?
Fucking please.
You guys have been worshipping senseless killing for decades. And NOW you want to jail them for murder? A little too late, ain't it?
What if the same people disgusted with these killings were also disgusted with the drone strikes done under Obama? Crazy to consider. Better to make a strawman with a glaring hypocrisy.
So I guess whenever he steps foot on European soil he will be immediately captured and go to trial, right?
RIGHT‽
Can't have any survivors, they know they could be unequivocally confirmed to not be related to the drug trafficking.
There is no other possible motive here. If these were actual criminals they would parade them about.
Still don't see why it's necessary to blow up a drug boat in the first place let alone kill everyone on board.
Because they’re not drug boats. They’re alleged drug boats. But “innocent until proven guilty” doesn’t fit the project 2025 agenda.
This is just a spin on Obama's drone strikes, it's not unique to Republicans or project 2025.
Project 2025 is about turning America into an authoritarian fascist country, but the worldwide terrorism is bipartisan.
Cruelty. That's the answer.
it's a bad idea but I think they think it's a strong deterrent. "You try to traffic drugs here - you will die" sort of mentality
This obviously is a poor strategy for a dozen of other reasons but they are simple, stupid people so to them simple stupid solutions are very attractive especially if it scratches their need for cruelty and racial superiority.
God. This fuckin guy. Another 12 year old in an adult's body. His parents should be ashamed for raising such a piece of human trash.
You're in luck! There is a letter from his mother to him that expresses, among many things lol, extreme shame for him and how he is.
Just search "full text email from hegseth's mother" and choose your flavor
He should be extradited to every country he attacked.
Is there already a case against him and the Trump administration at the ICC? If not, does anyone know how to start one?
Reminder to all the people newly against extrajudicial killing of random people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing#North_America
Kill everybody; starting with Pete Hegseth.
Dead men can't defend themselves or provide evidence that he's wrong.
Awful however now even worse with Trump pardoning a real, not imagined, drug lord. Death without trial (or evidence) for potential and most likely poor drug runners but freedom for a convicted drug lord because he could pay Trump off.
Disgusting.
...the winners write history, especially with no survivors...or witnesses...