I had a hard time explaining to the powers that are that AI would not be able to help in any way, simply because there is no knowledge base available for this kind of job of which it could have learned anything worthwhile.
Abstraction layers. They are so detached from everyone else through abstraction layers that we're nothing more than D2 NPC character sheets to them. That's why when a Luigi, alegedly, breaks through all of the abstraction layers and brings a leaded reality check to these fucking parasites they double down on palantir like projects to keep themselves safe while making the state even more oppressive and invasive of everyone's privacy.
Right?! At the end of the day, they're still just people. Gotta eat, gotta sleep, gotta shit. I will never understand how any individual gets so much money/power/attention because they're all just god damn people and in the event of a catastrophe i imagine they would be about as helpful as any other random human. They aren't gods, and they certainly don't deserve the stratification. It's not like they're enlightened or something, most of the time they're just sociopaths who are rich, clever, and/or connected. When you get a glimpse under the hood at moments like this, it really is kinda jarring. Helps to dispel those silly presumptions about them at least.
Managers love these AI tools because that's what they're already doing and familiar with; the same way you talk an AI to doing something for you is not very different from the experience of instructing a mediocre worker.
Bro theres plastic in my balls sorry I'm not impressed you tricked a computer into having conversations by destroying the environment and computer hardware market at the same time. Resouece wise these guys are moving, and consuming heaven and earth and for what? Fucking grok telling us how good at eating shit elmo is?
Elmo's dedication and ability to endure punishing amounts of shit makes elmo not only the best on Earth, but probably the best in the universe when it comes to eating fetid maggotty rotting shit.
Considering the company, I suspect they heard what they'd said and immediately gave them another raise. "that's the kind of insanity that made this company what it is today!"
Their whole shtick is to bullshit and confidence game their way through their career. Of course they're going to be impressed by the rock solid bs and confidence of AI.
My cousin just finished his MBA from a big college, he is so proud that he used AI for most of his assignments, he used 3 out 4 subscriptions to make it "more human" and "not mistakes" and so they couldn't detect it easily
He said that everybody in his courses was using AI and that most group discussions were about which AI is better, so it makes sense that those managers are so excited about AI, because it was able to do their "meaningless" jobs so they think it can do anyone's job, but he doesn't see the irony that he would be the first to be replaced
Managers being completely out of touch and also not realizing how useless they are is an ancient tale, no offense to your kin but even before AI you could generally assume stupidity when meeting an MBA, at minimum you can assume lack of curiosity or anything interesting to say.
There are literally all of about 10 schools from which an MBA is worth anything. Often people with MBAs from non T10 schools are recommended to take their MBA off of their resume when they inevitably struggle to find a job. A sub T10 MBA on a resume just says “I will ask for more money courtesy of my useless credential”
My experience is an MBA from a T10 school is just as useless. On top of that, they think they should be paid more because of the school they went to.
The sad thing, some of the material in an MBA program can actually be useful. It's just the type of people who enroll in these programs aren't the type to actually learn it and will just coast through doing the bare minimum. Or I suppose today, using AI to cheat. This is even more so for the people who think that the key to success is having a big name school on their resume. If anything, I'd put more weight on an MBA from no-name state U than T10 school. Which still isn't much, but anyway.
People who usually get MBA's typically aren't actually good at anything but they grew up upperclass and have no intention of getting a blue collar job.
your self-obsession is oozing out of your words, my phone feels a little greasy. being proud of any 'master of business administration' under capitalism, is in my mind like saying you are a 'master of efficient selfishness'. you are higly trained at making a MES! why not master of public service administration?
AI doesn't really do anything for me. It doesn't give me more money, take care of my plants, clean my house, or improve my relationships with the human beings around me.
I'm sick of caring about increasing my "job productivity", which is all it -might- do, and that's debatable. It's probably just trying to learn how to do my job so we need less humans working in the end. Sounds amazing, but inside of capitalism, it just means they'll starve.
Funny. I just asked our corporate AI a question in the line of "Can I eat this poisonous mushroom?" and it answered something like "Sure! Just follow current medical advice, then you should be fine.". So impressed!
IMO the best way to use this crap in software development for projects that already exist is to have the fucking things write up or amend docs.
Developers mostly hate writing docs, and in corporate software I've found that the docs are usually added once and then never verified again.
Writing up profuse gibberish that contains some amount of useful information is what these bullshit machines were made to do. Have it write up some docs, read them and make sure they aren't completely insane and get a pat on the back from your boss for working with "agentic AI".
Good documentation makes me happy, bad documentation makes me run away. I suspect I'm not the only person who not only reads the fucking manual but thinks writing good technical documentation is an art of its own. Good luck with trying to replace proper documentation with profuse gibberish.
I wish an AI operating system was just a bunch of microscopic AI models that only load when needed and run on device and have a genuine assistive purpose, instead of "Oh, HahA leTs maKe The comPuTer ContrOL iTsElf aNd tELL UsEr FalSe InFormAtioN"
Genuinely what I wished for when the Samsung Galaxy Fold 7 was announced as "The First AI Phone".
Instead what was shown in the livestream was literally Gemini, a product of another company on a €2000 smartphone that doesn't even use the hardware you pay for.
I mean he can fane that he doesn't understand but he must. No matter how technically impressive the technology is, it's only as good as it's application.
Most people are familiar with the concept of an LLM. Most progress has been iterative.
I mean yes, but also no. I get the point and it's a good one, but sounds a bit like people just shouldn't complain because 200 years ago refrigerators didn't exist.
So, there was this TV experiment where they served soup to a well-known scientist*, but, with his agreement, they stirred it first with an unused - and I stress unused - toilet brush.
He couldn't bring himself to eat it.
Metaphorically speaking, our world is full of amazing things but they're all stirred by clean toilet brushes. Sometimes, it's worse than that and they're used.
Do not want.
* Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, he was later cancelled for being old and out of touch on women's issues among other things, which is kind of an example of this same trope when you think about it. His opinions and reactions on soup and food disgust aren't linked to any of that but you might be tempted to ignore the result because of it.
But then, that puts him in the same category as Louis CK and that's what I'm responding to. Food for thought.
Unlike 110% of the Lemmy community, I am legitimately impressed by AI. LLMs have increased my productivity both at work and with my own personal hobbies.
Tonight alone, I created dozens of JSON files using an LLM for a game mod I'm developing that would have taken me days if I had created them manually.
My issues with Microsoft have nothing to do with AI (as a concept). Personally, I equate most people who oppose LLMs with the Luddite movement.
Microsoft has many, many issues. Their focus on forcing AI on people who mostly don't want it is a stupid business decision IMO. They should focus their energy elsewhere.
I'd rather they fix Teams and remove the 4,738 completely useless Clippy notifications they send me daily (on my work computer—fuck using Windows at home).
You are aware that the Luddite movement is not so much a reaction to new tech, but a reaction to the use, or rather abuse of said tech? As somebody who works in tech, I am not opposed by AI as a tool, but using it for the sake of using it does not solve anything.
Ugh, make a liar of me will you? I should have read the replies before stating I wouldn't be responding. But I hate blatant misinformation.
I could create a quadrillion JSON files using Python if I was aiming for quantity alone. For context, I was creating character profiles for video game characters that were derived from the public wikis. Good luck creating a Python code to read through an NPC's wiki entry (and related entries) and then generating their personality, background, significant events, and relationships into a logical JSON file with 'a few dozen lines of Python'.
Personally, I equate most people who oppose LLMs with the Luddite movement.
Ah, so you see them as intentionally misrepresented by the media, and not fighting progress but instead fighting against the unsafe standards of the time?
A movement formed in response to job theft, and at the same time, lack of safety laws. Started because of child deaths in the newly forming industrial machining factories (literally btw, crushing most often)
And they did win, in the end, under a new name and organised group, with the same goals. They're why child labour laws exist, and why there's maximum work hours per week, and legally mandated holiday time.
Yeah it makes sense, but you obviously knew that already as you're so knowledgeable
Yeah, I'm not going to respond to the replies. I thought I made it clear; I already know that Lemmy has a collective ragegasm whenever someone says something positive about AI. You don't need to tell me how much you hate it, I know. I just don't care.
FYI, I'm not here to win a high school popularity contest. I'm perfectly capable of admitting that I am a flawed human being (as already acknowledge in my 'second reply').
I'm happy for you to be the big boy/girl here. Here's a cookie: 🍪.
The fact that he is puzzled over that just shows how disconnected this company is from its user base.
If anything it demonstrates how easily they can be replaced by AI, but not everyone else
I had a hard time explaining to the powers that are that AI would not be able to help in any way, simply because there is no knowledge base available for this kind of job of which it could have learned anything worthwhile.
It never fails to amaze me, how much C-level people are disconnected from reality.
Abstraction layers. They are so detached from everyone else through abstraction layers that we're nothing more than D2 NPC character sheets to them. That's why when a Luigi, alegedly, breaks through all of the abstraction layers and brings a leaded reality check to these fucking parasites they double down on palantir like projects to keep themselves safe while making the state even more oppressive and invasive of everyone's privacy.
Right?! At the end of the day, they're still just people. Gotta eat, gotta sleep, gotta shit. I will never understand how any individual gets so much money/power/attention because they're all just god damn people and in the event of a catastrophe i imagine they would be about as helpful as any other random human. They aren't gods, and they certainly don't deserve the stratification. It's not like they're enlightened or something, most of the time they're just sociopaths who are rich, clever, and/or connected. When you get a glimpse under the hood at moments like this, it really is kinda jarring. Helps to dispel those silly presumptions about them at least.
What you're describing is a general experience with LLM, not limited to the C-level.
If an LLM sprouts rubbish you detect it because you have external knowledge, in other words, you're the subject matter expert.
What makes you think that those same errors are not happening at the same rate outside your direct personal sphere of knowledge?
Now consider what this means for the people around you, including the C-level.
Repeat after me, AI is Assumed Intelligence and should not be considered anything more than autocorrect on steroids.
AI is a classic case of Gell-Man amnesia
I'll add it to the list:
Thank you for giving me the name for this. I had no idea someone had properly defined it.
Managers love these AI tools because that's what they're already doing and familiar with; the same way you talk an AI to doing something for you is not very different from the experience of instructing a mediocre worker.
Bro theres plastic in my balls sorry I'm not impressed you tricked a computer into having conversations by destroying the environment and computer hardware market at the same time. Resouece wise these guys are moving, and consuming heaven and earth and for what? Fucking grok telling us how good at eating shit elmo is?
Elmo's dedication and ability to endure punishing amounts of shit makes elmo not only the best on Earth, but probably the best in the universe when it comes to eating fetid maggotty rotting shit.
Being that out of touch with reality should lead to immediate dismissal.
Right?
If he is the head of AI it's literally his job to understand why people are resisting adoption.
Likely he knows the answer but to say it out loud would be admitting something he can't.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!” Upton Sinclair
Considering the company, I suspect they heard what they'd said and immediately gave them another raise. "that's the kind of insanity that made this company what it is today!"
Sounds like a steve jobs reality distortion field.
Well, I am impressed by what it can do. I am unimpressed by what higher ups claim it can do.
Their whole shtick is to bullshit and confidence game their way through their career. Of course they're going to be impressed by the rock solid bs and confidence of AI.
My cousin just finished his MBA from a big college, he is so proud that he used AI for most of his assignments, he used 3 out 4 subscriptions to make it "more human" and "not mistakes" and so they couldn't detect it easily
He said that everybody in his courses was using AI and that most group discussions were about which AI is better, so it makes sense that those managers are so excited about AI, because it was able to do their "meaningless" jobs so they think it can do anyone's job, but he doesn't see the irony that he would be the first to be replaced
If an AI can effectively do your coursework, why wouldn't AI replace you in the industry?
They didn't read that chapter
They'll just have AI read it for them…
Managers being completely out of touch and also not realizing how useless they are is an ancient tale, no offense to your kin but even before AI you could generally assume stupidity when meeting an MBA, at minimum you can assume lack of curiosity or anything interesting to say.
There are literally all of about 10 schools from which an MBA is worth anything. Often people with MBAs from non T10 schools are recommended to take their MBA off of their resume when they inevitably struggle to find a job. A sub T10 MBA on a resume just says “I will ask for more money courtesy of my useless credential”
My experience is an MBA from a T10 school is just as useless. On top of that, they think they should be paid more because of the school they went to.
The sad thing, some of the material in an MBA program can actually be useful. It's just the type of people who enroll in these programs aren't the type to actually learn it and will just coast through doing the bare minimum. Or I suppose today, using AI to cheat. This is even more so for the people who think that the key to success is having a big name school on their resume. If anything, I'd put more weight on an MBA from no-name state U than T10 school. Which still isn't much, but anyway.
People who usually get MBA's typically aren't actually good at anything but they grew up upperclass and have no intention of getting a blue collar job.
say T10 one more time, i'm about to ejaculate!
your self-obsession is oozing out of your words, my phone feels a little greasy. being proud of any 'master of business administration' under capitalism, is in my mind like saying you are a 'master of efficient selfishness'. you are higly trained at making a MES! why not master of public service administration?
Bad bot.
User name checks out.
Thet tell on themselves so bad
What value does it have?
I am not impressed.
AI doesn't really do anything for me. It doesn't give me more money, take care of my plants, clean my house, or improve my relationships with the human beings around me.
I'm sick of caring about increasing my "job productivity", which is all it -might- do, and that's debatable. It's probably just trying to learn how to do my job so we need less humans working in the end. Sounds amazing, but inside of capitalism, it just means they'll starve.
AI causes me to have more work because other people throw AI info at me and I have to verify it.
These AI techbros only surround themselves with Yes men, so that's why they sound so clueless...
Even the CEO gets his butt off the cake to talk about this. I suppose the AI bubble may burst soon.
"Super smart AI"? No. It's exactly as smart as the average of human output. And if he doesn't know what kind of bad news that is...
Again?!
He can't keep getting away with this!!😭
Funny. I just asked our corporate AI a question in the line of "Can I eat this poisonous mushroom?" and it answered something like "Sure! Just follow current medical advice, then you should be fine.". So impressed!
Why didn't he ask MS-AI, or GPT or whatever the fuck, why people aren't impressed? I'm sure the answer is exactly what he's looking for
Sick burn. 😂😂😂
I am puzzled by that sweater he is wearing. Did he go to the douchebag section of the store?
I had to enable javascript to see that abomination.
Lol
People don't want more bloat.
IMO the best way to use this crap in software development for projects that already exist is to have the fucking things write up or amend docs.
Developers mostly hate writing docs, and in corporate software I've found that the docs are usually added once and then never verified again.
Writing up profuse gibberish that contains some amount of useful information is what these bullshit machines were made to do. Have it write up some docs, read them and make sure they aren't completely insane and get a pat on the back from your boss for working with "agentic AI".
Good documentation makes me happy, bad documentation makes me run away. I suspect I'm not the only person who not only reads the fucking manual but thinks writing good technical documentation is an art of its own. Good luck with trying to replace proper documentation with profuse gibberish.
I mostly agree with this, but in corporate software the stuff mostly either doesn't exist or is outdated to the point of basic inaccuracy.
I'm talking readmes that still have the template information in them or have stayed the same since the first commit.
All the C levels at MS are humongous idiots. It's a requirement.
It's... Not just Me, unfortunately. Seems like a requirement to be a C anything is to be an absolute twat.
Breaking: Man whose job depends on him not understanding the problem don't understand the problem
I wish an AI operating system was just a bunch of microscopic AI models that only load when needed and run on device and have a genuine assistive purpose, instead of "Oh, HahA leTs maKe The comPuTer ContrOL iTsElf aNd tELL UsEr FalSe InFormAtioN"
Genuinely what I wished for when the Samsung Galaxy Fold 7 was announced as "The First AI Phone".
Instead what was shown in the livestream was literally Gemini, a product of another company on a €2000 smartphone that doesn't even use the hardware you pay for.
I mean he can fane that he doesn't understand but he must. No matter how technically impressive the technology is, it's only as good as it's application.
Most people are familiar with the concept of an LLM. Most progress has been iterative.
Everything is amazing and nobody is happy.
I mean yes, but also no. I get the point and it's a good one, but sounds a bit like people just shouldn't complain because 200 years ago refrigerators didn't exist.
So, there was this TV experiment where they served soup to a well-known scientist*, but, with his agreement, they stirred it first with an unused - and I stress unused - toilet brush.
He couldn't bring himself to eat it.
Metaphorically speaking, our world is full of amazing things but they're all stirred by clean toilet brushes. Sometimes, it's worse than that and they're used.
Do not want.
* Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, he was later cancelled for being old and out of touch on women's issues among other things, which is kind of an example of this same trope when you think about it. His opinions and reactions on soup and food disgust aren't linked to any of that but you might be tempted to ignore the result because of it.
But then, that puts him in the same category as Louis CK and that's what I'm responding to. Food for thought.
Unlike 110% of the Lemmy community, I am legitimately impressed by AI. LLMs have increased my productivity both at work and with my own personal hobbies.
Tonight alone, I created dozens of JSON files using an LLM for a game mod I'm developing that would have taken me days if I had created them manually.
My issues with Microsoft have nothing to do with AI (as a concept). Personally, I equate most people who oppose LLMs with the Luddite movement.
Microsoft has many, many issues. Their focus on forcing AI on people who mostly don't want it is a stupid business decision IMO. They should focus their energy elsewhere.
I'd rather they fix Teams and remove the 4,738 completely useless Clippy notifications they send me daily (on my work computer—fuck using Windows at home).
You needed an AI to create a few dozen JSON files for you or else it would have taken you days?
Maybe the luddites have a point after all.
Maybe you would have a better point if the Luddites hadn't been right.
You are aware that the Luddite movement is not so much a reaction to new tech, but a reaction to the use, or rather abuse of said tech? As somebody who works in tech, I am not opposed by AI as a tool, but using it for the sake of using it does not solve anything.
You don't need AI to do this, just a few dozen lines of Python....
Ugh, make a liar of me will you? I should have read the replies before stating I wouldn't be responding. But I hate blatant misinformation.
I could create a quadrillion JSON files using Python if I was aiming for quantity alone. For context, I was creating character profiles for video game characters that were derived from the public wikis. Good luck creating a Python code to read through an NPC's wiki entry (and related entries) and then generating their personality, background, significant events, and relationships into a logical JSON file with 'a few dozen lines of Python'.
Ah, so you see them as intentionally misrepresented by the media, and not fighting progress but instead fighting against the unsafe standards of the time?
A movement formed in response to job theft, and at the same time, lack of safety laws. Started because of child deaths in the newly forming industrial machining factories (literally btw, crushing most often)
And they did win, in the end, under a new name and organised group, with the same goals. They're why child labour laws exist, and why there's maximum work hours per week, and legally mandated holiday time.
Yeah it makes sense, but you obviously knew that already as you're so knowledgeable
Yeah, I'm not going to respond to the replies. I thought I made it clear; I already know that Lemmy has a collective ragegasm whenever someone says something positive about AI. You don't need to tell me how much you hate it, I know. I just don't care.
slow clap
FYI, I'm not here to win a high school popularity contest. I'm perfectly capable of admitting that I am a flawed human being (as already acknowledge in my 'second reply').
I'm happy for you to be the big boy/girl here. Here's a cookie: 🍪.