Unmarked, Plate-Less Vehicles Seen in ICE Arrests Across U.S., Report Finds: 'The Agency Clearly Wants to Appear Like a Ghost'
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Odd, this is exactly what criminals would do.
do do.
Heh.
If someone shows up in an unmarked car with no badge and tries to abduct you, why can't you just shoot them?
You can! As much as you can shoot anyone. You're just likely to be severely outgunned and also you'll have to stand trial over it. No idea the odds of winning that case, but the govt largely isn't going after people with money to hire lawyers. Probably get a defense fund donated bigger than Mangione.
Wait, what am I thinking? They will just deport you rather than have a trial and risk a judge declaring their tactics illegal and granting a self-defense claim to resisters.
We had a fellow who shot at the unmarked unidentified police roaming around Minneapolis during the civil unrest following the murder of George Floyd. He was at a gas station if I remember and they beat the shit out of him. It took a while but he won the case and some money.
I think that guy actually shot back when they were driving around firing pepper balls at random people.
I thought it was “rubber” bullets they were firing at people out past curfew. Looks no different than an AR, sounds no different than an AR, how is one to know the difference in the split second when they feel their life is on the line? Answer is: they can’t, if you feel like your life or person is in danger, the sword is the only way.
You're not likely to stand trial over it
In the videos I've seen there are usually at least 5 ice guys with body armor and at least a couple have rifles. Good luck against that with your little pew-pew.
those fat ICE idiots clearly have no training and shooting well takes a lot of practice.
Isn't that "stand your ground"? Or does that only work on black or brown people?
Can't be held accountable if there's no accountability!
Seriously, officers who aren't pulling them over and ticketing/arresting then should be fired or removed imm
they are most likely being told higher up in secret not to.
Yeah this is no different then defunding covid studies / the cdc and claiming covid no longer exists
Take a picture of the VIN! It’s on the windshield at the bottom. Sometimes other places too
What do we do with the VIN?
It’s tied to the title and if it’s a private vehicle will tell you who the owner is. Theoretically.
Do average citizens have access to that information though? I would think it wouldn't show personal information.
Well, consider a Nuremberg Trials situation where these people’s actions are brought to light. You might not be able to do anything immediately, but their actions can always be documented and preserved.
Carfax lets you check some information with a VIN.
So if someone wants to commit crimes, they can get take the plates off an unassuming van and the cops wont touch them? Got it.
Man. Driving around without plates is always sure to raise an eyebrow in most people.
I'm starting to wonder if we need something to mark a part of the vehicle to alert people it is definitely ICE. Something like vital to the vehicle so they can't just remove it. Like a tire. Maybe something you could like quickly toss in front of and behind a tire. Something that will stick in it. Tires are pretty thick so maybe something slightly sharp, but strong. Maybe two pieces of purpose built steel wrapped around each other. Like that "jacks" game with the bouncy ball.
Just paint. Any color. Nail polish works.
That doesn't usually flatten a tire
Ah, sorry. I was thinking of IDing purposes.
A wad of bubblegum with 2 or three nails pushed through it in opposing directions? Maybe a crumbled cardboard roll from a toilet paper instead of gum, not sure… something cheap and fast to produce is the answer, with multiple nails to make sure it sticks.
Only problem with nails is that they can simultaneously clog the hole they create, but it’s a start.
I think it depends on the kind of nail. Some nails have groove things that add a little bit of extra resistance to moving back out. Others do not. They also have to be sufficiently large. It's probably a good idea that they don't come out right away either. It'd be better for them to get a flat tire on a different street than the one you're on.
If we could get bulk tubular rivets, but sharp ones, I could see it working quite effectively in place of the nail. It punctures the wheel all the same, but with a hole straight through it for venting purposes. Tire would deflate as fast as the diameter of the hole allows air to escape.
You can probably buy tubular rivets and grind the end to a point. But a ready to go bulk source would be more ideal.
Edit: disclaimer: I am not advocating for any action with the information I share. This information is not advice. The information I provide is purely educational in every manner, shape, and form.
Edit: this would cause enough damage
Use like five or seven nails per ball. Use the putty to fuse the heads together. You can make somewhere between 10-20 units for under $20. That’ll disable a car by destroying its tire.
Edit: probably some good ways to spiderweb a windshield from a distance too. Slingshots can be effective.
Edit: You could also perhaps superglue a magnet to an AirTag and stick it to the vehicle. Cheap tracking of ICE location.
Edit: You know, having a strategy to ID the masked villains would be most effective. There’s a human effect where, if you have to put your identity next to your actions, you’re far less likely to act in evil ways. Just think about how shameless online trolls can be—ICE advantages from that mindset because of their masks.
The air tag one is great. There's probably a cheaper way to do it but I like the idea.
IDing ICE would go a long way, but they'll probably start wearing balaclavas before too long.
good idea. or maybe a paintball that doesnt wash off.
Like these, which are used for marking trees or livestock https://nelsonpaint.com/nelson-pellet-mark-oil-base-marking-pellets-120-ct-box/
Caltrop is the word you're looking for.
That sounds dangerous and illegal
Oh oh! I know! If they really want to look ghostly then they could wear white sheets over themselves while arresting people.
👻
With some kind of pointy hood?
A grand ‘ol wizard’s hat perchance?
Be more ghostlike, you say? I'm sure we can find some people that are willing to facilitate.
Apparently one of them was a good Nazi recently
The link for "Customs and Border Patrol agent" goes to fucking careers dot CBP dot gov. Whatever news outlet that is is doing recruitment advertising in an article about a suicide.
"Hey, we're short staffed, you want a job? We'll give you a gun..."
"Only for threatening innocent people through, when you're all used to you'll have to find your own to finish the job."
They probably use an AI to go through and add links to key phrases.
It’s the New York Daily News. Specifically, Nicholas Williams and Rocco Parascandola.
It seems they may write for multiple entities so it’s entirely possible that this was an editor choice and not their own. I don’t know though.
Get the VIN if you get close enough
And do what with it?
Certainly nothing illegal
Ok but seriously, what are you going to do? Find out who owns it? Check the accident report? This whole "no plates" commotion is pointless. The police don't give a shit. We know that and so far it seems as if nothing will change that.
Check the Carfax
I don’t know I’m just saying you can’t probably find as much out about the vehicle from the VIN as you can from the plate
You absolutely can find out a lot of information with a VIN. That search though legal will cost and leave a trail.
Which neighborhood are we talking about? Republican cities? Republican rural areas? Washington D.C.?
If you see a vehicle parked without plates please remember to deflate the tires.
Plate less?? What the actual fuck
Secret Police gonna secret.
Remind me of other times in history when a militarized government agency was allowed to operate in secret with total impunity and how that turned out.
Gestapo criminals committing hate crimes
A fat ghost
Hooah
Do your fr think the dems ae going to do that? I admire your hope but that is so insanely unlikely. If anything, they will campaign about it and then do nothing like usual
Like the KKK ghost uniform? Yeah, okay.
They are more like ghost farts that leave a nasty stain on the american Constitution
I want these traffickers to be turned into ghosts.
Personal vehicles perhaps.