What do you think of Platner and will he bring new life into the democratic party or be a second Fetterman?
The nazi tattoo is like my biggest red flag and I can't tell if I've just because of B.J. Blazkowicz
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Which people are still defending!
Fuck it's one of the emblems of the SS, 2nd to their lightning bolts, and people are excusing it even in this thread.
I really can't decide what's worse. Those defending the tattoo or those saying they had no idea what the symbol was.
Not everyone walks around with an encyclopedia of knowledge on hate symbols. I didn't learn about the totenkopf until this issue came up.
It's literally the skull on the nazis hats. And the skull from are we the baddies? We have a skull on our hats.
And yet, I've never noticed it. I thought it was only the bird symbol on the hat. I've never looked into their uniforms with any meaningful inspection. I had to google the hat because I doubted you were right, but you are. So I just learned something else.
Like I implied earlier, people can exist for decades without knowing something. Just because it is common to you, doesn't mean it is common to everyone.
True but this is basic history stuff.
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Apparently we're at the we're all too dumb to know a nazi symbol was a nazi symbol mark.
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https://youtu.be/uMnc4ddc7j4
He did an interview on Pod Save America where he talks about the tattoo, and I think he did really well answering all the questions.
The tattoo looks like a giant fuckin smudge it could look like damn near anything if you squint. I think people are blowing this out of proportion. Regardless of how he got it, the military let it pass at least twice and they are pretty firm about extremist tattoos from my understanding.
I can understand not figuring out about the potential meaning if you aren't around people that will say something about it, if they even know. I mean, just looking at comments about this situation many people are also just now learning about the totenkopf. And if no one is telling you, who looks at their own tattoos without prompting and thinks, "imma google my own tattoos for shits and giggles".
Plus he got it covered up. His platform still sounds good. He's taking steps to address it. He doesn't seem like he'll be a fetterman. This hurts his run obviously, but I don't think he's the bad guy some people are trying to make him out to be. Not everyone runs around with an encyclopedic knowledge of hate symbols, let alone young soldiers.
I don't need him to do well. I need him to do good.
I mean, gotta get elected for that.
I'd say cautiously optimistic, hadnt seen the tattoo stuff before but doesn't look too bad, on surface reading of articles I could believe he legit didn't realize it looked like a Nazi thing, especially having taken it though army screening.
Honestly if anything some of the reddit posts that were found make me like him more and believe he might be an actual progressive
The fact that there was oppo ready to go on him like that leads me to believe he's a progressive.
The party didn't try to ratfuck fetterman.
EDIT: Just looked into the tattoo thing. Ratfuckery or no, this doesn't look good.
I'm still unsure what his progressive ideas are though.
Really? Why revel in ignorance? His stated positions are right here...
https://www.grahamforsenate.com/platform
Mate you can't use that line literally after saying well I didn't know the skull was a nazi symbol
https://lemmy.world/comment/20103272
And again assuming didn't read it when it's hard to tell how progressive the person who did multiple tours in the middle east is who also doesn't want to cut military spending just not give it to the pmcs, who he also served with.
I feel like there is a difference in the claims as I was explaining that prior to this issue I didn't know of the symbol, and your claim is about the policy of the person being actively discussed.
But it probably doesn't matter. It appeared to me that you were taking some sort of pride in not knowing. Sorry if I misunderstood.
We are kinda strapped for a good choice here. Most of the time it's take a chance on someone that might turn out bad or someone that is already awful. I believe there is a 3rd candidate for Maine, but I need to read more about them before commenting on them as an option. I'm aware Platner isn't a perfect candidate, but I don't think we get that option so my main argument in most of these threads is that he's still a better option than the already rotten incumbent.
The Reddit posts were taken out of context. He was reiterating what another poster had said so he wasn't the one to bring it up initially.
Was he just quoting them or was he advocating for them? I haven't seen the reddit stuff yet. Any links you've read?
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the problem is no one can really know what his stance is because it's not beneath a person to lie to gain power. seems too risky and an easy way to end up with another Sinema/Fetterman type that blocks votes while claiming to be a Democrat/Progressive. i don't think now is the time to take chances and they need to find a better candidate to run while there still some time, because even if he's telling the truth this will be a non-starter for many voters.
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He was in Blackwater and is a Nazi. And he did not apologize for his war crimes.
How the hell are people falling for this
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He was a concentration camp guard at Abu Graib, has a Nazi tattoo and is still advocating for the mass murder of brown people abroad so yes to probably all of the above.
Source?
Also, the military vets in my life are some of the most disillusioned people with the establishment, because they've seen the effects of imperialist bullshit up close.
Literally any article about him starts with how proud he is to be a combat vet and wants to run the military more efficiently.
https://youtu.be/p6St4B4aYP0
proud to be a combat vet can easily just be marketing… imagine where you’d get in the US if you said you were ashamed of your military service… you’d get eviscerated
He's saying he wants to run the military better.
do you think the US military needs all the funding it has?
if you think it could do with less, then perhaps you and he agree: that there could be some places to make the US military reduce waste for example
making it “run better” doesn’t necessarily mean expanding it and giving it more
You mean like his claim he didn't know what his Nazi tattoo meant?
If you have 2 nazi tattoos you are a nazi.
You are here arguing in favor of supporting a nazi like it is a progressive thing to do.
Snap out of it.
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If someone got the nazi thunderbolt tattoo after ww2 that means they are a nazi
If someone got a swastika tattoo after ww2 that means they are a nazi.
Stop defending this shit you sound like a bot
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Regular people don't get tattoos dedicated to white supremacy.
This is a sign to get rid of your SS tattoo as well.
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He doesn't have two. Now he doesn't even have one. The one he had, he covered up. The other was related to the establishment of a trail crew, not even remotely nazi, people just jumped on shit without any understanding or real evidence. And then parroted it without looking into it like you are doing here.
Lol love how you don't need sources XD
This is actually delusional behavior. You can see the pictures of his tattoos. You can see the social media posts of his previous manager dropping him because of these controversies and the impact they said it would have on his campaign.
You are deepthroating the propaganda
You need to engage with observable reality. He has 2 tattoos intrinsically linked to white supremacist ideology.
Get a grip
Where did I say I don't need sources? I've been providing sources in several comments. Like this one showing his tattoos. The one he had covered up. And the other that some fuckwits have been going on about without confirming before they parroted a false talking point.
So here's some "observable reality" for you since you obviously couldn't be fucked to look the current status of the tattoos up.
https://x.com/MENewsPhotog/status/1981080937015267530
Cool, so why did he get 2 nazi tattoos to begin with? Two different white supremacist tattoos with different meanings that both support the same ideology.
Give me an explanation that doesn't require I pretend like I'm fucking stupid to have to beleive it.
Tell me you didn't even look at the link without telling me. You have made your mind up with whatever you've heard, and no context at all will matter, you just want an argument. glhf
People are rather stupid.
This is deliberate disinformation, he worked for Constellis, which is not Blackwater, and for only 6 months. If a skull and cross bones makes a person a Nazi than you are a fool. Besides that, he covered it for all you purity testing bots.
When the Libs don't just fall for the Platner rebrand but even the Blackwater rebrand...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_(company)
A Canadian defending Nazis... It really seems to be a thing for you lot.
Am not Canadian and regardless would have no clue what you're referring to.
Between the tattoo and working for mercenaries, I think he is a non-starter.
Edit: apparently there is a second tattoo
It's not a nazi symbol. It's the establishment year of the trail crew. https://x.com/MENewsPhotog/status/1981080937015267530
Another tattoo has hit the tower
You mean the cover tattoo?
1919
Anyone willing to tell AIPAC to go fuck themselves is on my permanent good list. Even better if they can make a menu to use when we eat the rich.
the sentiment is good, but also i think most people with a nazi tattoo would be willing to tell AIPAC to go fuck themselves
Considering many of them in the government are still actively protecting Israel, I think not.
Gonna need a source on that tattoo claim before I take it seriously.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/21/maine-graham-platner-tattoo-democrat-senate
He got a large deaths head (totemkoph) on his chest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols
And it's already gone. He just covered it up with some kind of celtic knot with dogs on it the other day. I'm inclined to believe he's sincere about his beliefs here.
He did the classic abuser routine when apologizing.
With that red flag coming to light I think progressives need to pivot to supporting Jordan Wood running for Democratic Senate in Maine.
He’s got a substack
Delete Nazis, especially the ones who are proud enough to rep the ideology permanently on their fucking body.
so you’re saying people are incapable of change, criminals will always be criminals, and that there’s no chance he was telling the truth when he said he didn’t know it was a nazi symbol?
I'm saying if you are a progressive and want to run as a progressive, you should figure out what your tattoos mean first.
It's incredibly unlikely that 18 years passes with a skull and bones Nazi tattoo on your chest and never notice it or remove it.
okay so now you’re saying that he may have not known what it meant, OR that he could have changed but you’re not going to support him because he didn’t do a symbolic thing?
sounds like purity tests