Spyke
feddit.org

I assume most normies use Instagram, Tiktok etc. as apps nowadays. Which are also chock full of advertising/sponsored content, but in a somewhat less aggravating way. I assume that's also part of why LLMs are so popular - web without adblockers is complete shit and search results are seriously deteriorating, so instead they turn to a more concise version of algorithmic slop.

I wonder where people will go when LLMs services aren't free anymore (that shit is seriously expensive to run) and the regular internet is filled to the brim with ads and AI slop. Are they just going to pay up for an LLM subscriptions?

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kehetreply
sopuli.xyz

I don't think LLMs will become completely paid, but instead they will be filled with product placement and ads.

You're absolutely right! Have you considered how refreshing a Nuka-Cola product would taste while copy-pasting this writing assignment? Here are directions to the nearest Nuka-Cola vending machine.

Or perhaps a little more subtly, when talking about soft drinks, LLM mentions Nuka-Cola (and how refreshing it is) as an example, rather than competing brands.

Or you ask image generators for a picture of a cartoon cat and it just happens to be holding a bottle of Nuka-Cola. Or maybe there are a few recognizable bottles of Nuka-Cola on the table in the kitchen in the background.

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Demereply
sopuli.xyz

I suspect that selling information about their users will also be a major source of revenue. They could be doing constant psychoanalysis and profiling based on the conversations and honestly it sounds like the holy grail for data brokers.

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Also this. It's certainly easy to sell almost anything to someone who has just used LLM as a therapist or girlfriend

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At least it would be easier for teacher to see that an essay was written by a LLM if there is advertising text in the middle of it.

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It's amazing how they can adapt. I can watch my wife use snapchat and go through a story. When an ad gets between pictures, she instantly goes past the ad without even thinking. It must be the same power that users have when they close error windows and have no idea what the issue is.

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feddit.org

If this is intentional, I doubt most website owners are in on this scheme ...

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Lumisalreply
lemmy.world

I'm so tired of seeing the word "slop" used for everything AI. It's fucking annoying and as tiring as an American right-winger calling everything libtard.

Open a thesaurus. You can say "trash", "shit", "garbage", "waste", "viral fecundity", "sludge", "goop", or "muck" for example. Keep it new instead of just parroting the same old tired phrase.

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lemmy.ca

It's like complaining that people always use the word "address" to describe IP endpoints. THAT'S THE WORD FOR IT. When you say "slop" people know you mean AI generated content; when you say "garbage", they don't.

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People always precede "slop" with "AI", even in the comment I responded to.

And the reason I got annoyed is because they used it for an algorithm rather than AI as well.

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lemmy.ml

The general public found a well-fitting word that they're now using for it.

AI slop: GenAI content, characterized by its one-size-fits-all, corporate language and bullshit nature that stochastically approximates something that looks/sounds like what you want but doesn't come with any guarantees

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I do forget the general American public has the reading skills of a middle schooler. Touché.

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All of that is far, far more work than AI deserves. Slop is about the most appropriate word for it and personally I'm putting zero effort beyond that into describing AI and AI-related topics

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hypnicjerkreply
lemmy.world

you mean goop? lol

none of those words carry the implication of slop being what pigs eat

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He probably meant the word that rhymes with "buck" or "look" and not the racial slur that rhymes with "toque".

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lemmy.world

Hardly use my phone for internet, but when I'm away from my PiHole, "WTF is this bullshit?!"

No one talks about it, but internet advertising is a bubble ready to pop. How is a consumer to chose your product, or even begin looking into it, when the they're overwhelmed by an avalanche of ads? The numbers are in and 73% of ad views are fucking bots.

Don't know the available alternatives, but soon companies are going to figure their online marketing budget is a total waste.

Reminds me of pinning my buddy down, "How much money is this satellite install business actually making after costs?"

<after some back of the napkin math>

"Fuck this shit. Let's move to Florida."

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Damagereply
feddit.it

Firefox mobile supports extensions, including uBlock Origin

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aussie.zone

I used to have my own dns server running at home so I could direct all my mobile and laptop dns requests though it, from anywhere over vpn. It meant I got dns level ad blocking anywhere.

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shalafireply
lemmy.world

Ex-wife: "Why can't I get to these FaceBook links?"

"Show me and I'll add them to the whitelist."

"Would you just turn the blueberry pie or whatever off."

"OK. Done."

<15 minutes later>

"Why is the internet so slow."

Looked over her shoulder, pointed at the loading bits, "Ad, ad, ad, ad, ad, ad..."

"FINE! Turn it back on!"

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mercreply
sh.itjust.works

I haven't heard of technitium, what is it that you like better than pi-hole?

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aussie.zone

Technitium is a fully fledged authoritative dns, i haven't used pinhole for a long time but the best part for me was setting up a zone for just local domain names use the.local tld. I then told my wireguard server to use the technitium instance as it's dns. Then I told my phone and laptop to send any ips from my local subnet though the wireguard tunnel. That meant that I could access these local resources anywhere via the tunnel but could use their domains instead of ip addresses. Traffic outside those up ranges just went to the internet like normal.

Also the dhcp server on technitium can be set to automatically generate and propogate a domain name for any device that connects via dhcp so I could use them in place of ip addresses when I wanted to address the device.

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mercreply
sh.itjust.works

Then I told my phone and laptop to send any ips from my local subnet though the wireguard tunnel

Wait, so when you had your wireguard VPN up, you told it to route most traffic through the VPN, but IPs which were the same as your home network (I'm guessing maybe a 192.168.0.1/32 or something) you told it to send those through a different tunnel to your home network?

The end result is that if you went to say tuffminecraft.local and you were on your laptop in a hotel or something, it would use wireguard to send the packets to your home minecraft server as if you were at home?

What setup did this require? A wireguard server at home accepting connections from outside, a wireguard client on your laptop and phone... I guess the wireguard client would have to know to forward any ".local" DNS query over the tunnel to the wireguard server which would then contact technitium?

Also the dhcp server on technitium can be set to automatically generate and propogate a domain name for any device that connects

I think this is pretty standard with dhcp/dns. I have that with my pihole, but some devices don't handle DHCP the way others do, so they don't get nice names assigned via DNS. I think that's a limitation of DHCP and everyone's different implementation of it, rather than a limitation of pihole, dnsmasq, etc. But, maybe technitium handles weird DHCP clients better?

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No i would only have one tunnel set up with an allowed range that was my local subnet at home (192.168.20.0/24) on the wireguard server you can set a dns for those connections and also in the client interface so when the laptop tried to ask the dns for an address it would talk to my home dns.

If the ip it was given was an external ip, outside of my LAN then the laptop just went though local wifi or whatever outside of the vpn tunnel to find the resource, but if it was inside the home range it pulled the connection straight from home via the tunnel. The home dns had dnd records for all my local services pointing to my reverse proxy so if it got a request for lubelogger.local it just pointed the browser to the ip of the reverse proxy which knew to send a request for lubelogger.local to the correct ip:port on the lan.

It meant I could use domain names safely without having them exposed to the world.

Technitium let's you do domain replication to as many other instance as you want so I always planned to set up a second dns at my mum's house in case mine went down but never go around to it.

Implementation was a wireguard server running on an old rpi1 Technitium running on a seperate machine Told the wireguard server to use technitium as it's dns Wireguard on device with an allowed range of my local subnet. Add a dns record for any service you want accessible on technitium, use a tld that no one else uses online. I used.local, you're supposed to use.apra but I didn't like the look of it. Add your domain entry to your reverse proxy as normal.

Note the more I think about this i may have just gotten lucky because I had already visited those domains at home so when I was off site and typed in the domain the laptops list of hosts knew to try the local ip and it was funnelled straight though the tunnel.

I had some persistent network instability during a busy time and had to strip things back so don't have this set up anymore. After exams I'll try it again.

Re the dhcp. It may be common now days. I use quite an old ISP supplied router so when it was handling dhcp I could only rarely use a devices host name to address it on my local network. Technitium never had that problem

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That was rather my point. Soon enough they'll realize their online marketing budget isn't even paying for itself. Line go down.

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leminal.space

Web3 is just a dross. Shitewhole

Edit: i meant 2 but the point against cellphone internet usage can be aggravated by THIS pathetic excuse for keyboard

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Fediverse should've been what got called "Web 3.0." It seeks to correct problems with Web 2.0 (many of the same ones that the blockchain Web3 purpoted to solve even) through new technology. Just as Web 2.0 tried to democratize the internet by emphasizing user generated content, Fediverse seeks to democratize the internet by distributing ownership of the servers.

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"WTF is this bullshit?!"

I think this is literally what I said the other day.

Someone sent me a link for something to buy at a local branch of a national store. The advantage of the link was that it said what aisle of the store the product was in, so I didn't have to search everywhere once I got there. I opened the link and I literally couldn't see the page. First of all there was a pop-over ad of some kind obscuring the entire page. Once I closed that, I was confronted with the cookie banner. Once I dealt with that, there was the regular store page filled with its own ads / "promotions". I had to hunt everywhere to find the one useful bit of data, which was the aisle number. It took me at least 20 seconds from opening the link to being able to find this aisle number and it left me incredibly frustrated.

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That's only if they have a Windows PC directly connected to the Internet, with no hardware or software firewall or security software...

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lemmy.zip

I have to use chrome at work for some things. After they disabled ublock origin I switched to ublock light without looking into it much--do you know if there are any problems with that one?

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No, unlock lite is the new version of unlock that plays nice with Google’s fuckery.

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I couldn't say really, the only time I use a chrome variant is on my laptop that's piped through PiHole and I also have hosts.txt blocklist as well. Seems to work fine enough on the rare occasion I have to use chrome.

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Blackmistreply
feddit.uk

> Downloads app for a store

> Bingabeep at 3am

> There are new offers for 1% off something you don't need

> Oh wow, messages for me

Who does this?

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Lately people have their phones on silent or on (scheduled or not) dnd mode. And most phones seems to not to make sound in the night over many apps and only activate when user typically picks up his phone in the morning.

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lemmy.world

If you don't support ad blockers, you're an asshole..

It's my computer, I'll run whatever software I want on it. Your server costs aren't my responsibility.

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lemmy.world

Your server costs aren't my responsibility.

Its amusing that people who mostly say "but those companies need to make money" often have these pro capitalism/free market ideals, but find that reply to be rude. Its a very subservient mindset.

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I agree with Anon.....using a computer with no blockers etc....it is just shit.

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I've had that a few times on family and gf's computers. It was worse than my pirate shenanigans before adblocks were a thing - you know, dealing with sites that had 3 redirects with a dozen DOWNLOAD buttons that were all ads before getting to the real link.

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I want that to be the case, but until it’s really dead I’m treating capitalism like Sam Loomis treats Michael Myers

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I'm still in awe at how much of this bs I managed to tolerate since I installed U-block over a year ago.

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Pretty sure it's part of why "normies" don't use computers and the web as much. If that is their only experience it just makes them use it only when absolutely needed.

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lemmy.world

Is there a reader viewer button on Chrome? I don't remember. This feature is vastly ignored, but it's simply the perfect way to read content. No consent pop-up, no design, no ad, just a beautiful simple page with text and images.

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lemmy.ml

I have a Firefox extension called Tranquility Reader that does that, it's like my favourite bit of software. Just the article on a white background, with a button to save it as a PDF. Perfect!

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lemmy.world

Is there a version with a dark mode? I like the reader mode on my phone, because it makes the background darker. Gray background, white letters, simple and easy on the eyes.

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Yup, it has a dark mode! And in the settings it lets you set the background and text colour to whatever you like, they're just hex codes.

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Yes I love the page reader mode on Firefox even as an adblock user. For me its the tan theme, such an upgrade over the white page most websites have.

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My god, the rare moments when 4Chan is relatable. 💀💀💀 People wonder why I'm so meticulous about my blockers and my VPN. And then I show them something on my computer, just casually, and they do a double take when they notice just how CLEAN my space is.

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They then continue to scold you for not inhaling the slop like theu do the moment you bring up thst you won't be doing something stupid they ask you to.

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Yes, exactly. And sometimes you have to look at someone's screen and it has so much visual garbage from ads - it is unbelievable that someone lives like that.

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lemmy.world

Oh! Decentraleyes isn't maintained regularly, the last Github commit was almost a year ago. Give LocalCDN a try.

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I think pretty much people just stay within their social media apps and just don’t bother to browse the web anymore. Also why people ask LLMs even though they know it’ll just make stuff up.

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were just back to the quality of black and white ad space internet service dial up.

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aussie.zone

Huh. Strange how I can now date memes to pre and post ai mass market adoption

Wait nevermind saw the date lol

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That image is at least a decade old, note that it says "wi-fi" and not "5G".

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feddit.uk

slower than molasses

Bit of an obscure reference, but for those who do not know, mole's have notorious indigestion problems meaning they're shy poopers, and hence giving them the nickname "slow asses"

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and here I thought it was a chemistry problem, a mole of asses. 6.02214076×1023 asses, in SI

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lemmy.org

Every time i'm at someone's house and they use "normal" tv, internet and radio i really do feel like i'm in a black mirror episode. I haven't seen ads in over 10 years and other people just got slowely used to it. It's honestly kinda disturbing.

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feel like

Yeah, imagine if a company tried to bring back your dead bf using some sort of graph and the military was salivating about AR tools and an ex pm of shitty-knock-off-japan fucked a pig

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I tried watching some YouTube video on a discord embed today. It served me 8 short ads in 4 blocks for a sub-10 min video

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lemmy.ml

Ill explain It to you: normies do something really weird called...going outside! Thunder strikes

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mander.xyz

Or, they just don't browse the Internet on normal browsers like chrome as often. A lot of the Internet nowadays is walled off apps that are only accessible from phones.

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Cleo ☭reply
lemmy.ml

Well actually i use lemmy only from the phone and rarely on laptop or pc

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I know this isn't someone asking for a solution, and maybe you don't have rights on the computer to do so, but opening a command prompt and typing in winget install Brave.Brave (or winget install --id=Brave.Brave -e) gets you a browser with builtin adblocker real quick.

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Turret3857reply
infosec.pub

LibreWolf is the not-transphobic alternative to Brave winget install LibreWolf.LibreWolf

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I wasn't aware Brave was transphobic. I just knew they were kinda crypto-sketchy.
I also tested Pulse Browser which unfortunately has been discontinued and won't even open HTTPS sites. And I also tested Otter Browser which is loosely based on Opera Presto, but unfortunately it uses a pretty old webkit engine. But those browsers also come with builtin adblock.
I was aware of Librewolf, I just thought the default security might be a bit much if in a hurry.

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Turret3857reply
infosec.pub

Here's a good writeup of why Brave is an option that really should be avoided: https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/

The only problems ive had with Librewolf have been from poorly designed edu websites (think college textbooks with shitty DRM). Most websites function just fine.

Ill also throw IronFox on Android and SnowHaze on iOS into the mix for non-desktop users.

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Here’s a good writeup of why Brave is an option that really should be avoided

Ah, I see.. Yeah, that's pretty bad. Run by a bigot, and the company is injected with Peter Thiel money, and they've injected referral codes to URL's. Oof.

What's funny is the mention of Vivaldi as a better alternative, which is what I use currently, but I didn't suggest it as the builtin adblocker isn't as good as µBlock Origin. No extended syntax unfortunately, so it'll not block ads on eg. Youtube.

Ill also throw IronFox on Android and SnowHaze on iOS into the mix for non-desktop users.

Oh yeah, IronFox on Android is amazing. My choice of browser as well.

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