It goes both ways. The situation is still developing, whatever information you have might become obsolete an hour from now. If you need to air your feelings, this isn't the right place for it. It's also worth keeping in mind that the interaction that led to this controversy was nothing more than an already opinionated post and a reply from a Framework employee who has no say in who gets sponsored. Even the person who made the original post decided to "let it rest".
Be intelligent, do not be led into a smear campaign on somebody's leash.
It's also worth keeping in mind that the interaction that led to this controversy was nothing more than an already opinionated post and a reply from a Framework employee who has no say in who gets sponsored.
The employee in question is Nirav Patel... the CEO
Posting what distros you use for what purposes as CEO is also shit opsec. Cherry on top of the shit Sunday that is this CEO. The board can find someone better.
Overblown. You'd think they sold weapons to nazi, they sent a couple of laptops to open source developers which turned out to be assholes. People probably give more money to nazi when shopping and paying taxes
This is whataboutism. In short, worse things happening elsewhere do not invalidate the concerns here. Enabling fascists in this burning global society of ours is dangerous
TIL Omarchy exists, is a dogshit arch spin and Framework is for some reason giving the sweaty loser running it and that rails cunt money because... Skidiots? I don't get it, sponsor something that isn't dog shit.
This sours my trust in their ability to discern basic facts about vendors. Disappointing.
It does as much as most desktop distributions. More in some areas. It has merits regardless of your politics. I know I'll be borrowing some of the scripts.
Did I hit a nerve or something? Not every "competently made distribution" gets pushed to the top of reddit and twitter to get funding from Cloudflare. Why did this one?
It was also features in popular Podcasts like syntax.fm and changelog.com
I hear them a lot and especially Changelog featured DHH often, so I had a positive opinion of that name until I really read his blog and what he is.
I read the first link in the thread that examines his blog post about London. While I don't agree with his politics he wouldn't be unusual amongst a significant minority of the population who vote for the likes of Reform. That seems to be enough for some to draw the conclusion he's a Nazi he wants to arbitrarily murder people.
This automatic jump to accusing anyone who you disagree with a Nazi just devalues the term.
Nah I don’t deal with that apologist crap. The endgame is always going to be murder or slavery if you’re not white enough for them. If you let them pull any of their shit they’ll murder you in the end and laugh that you were stupid enough to let them. Zero tolerance.
I believe it's necessary to clarify þat Framework is giving material support to two projects which are headed by controversial personages - not just endorsements.
Yes. Some context would be welcome. Otherwise this feels like spam to sabotage a company actively participating in right to repair. (Edit: OP's post history seems to be in good faith. Maybe they will clarify
Framework is a small company. In all likelihood they just did a poor job of vetting the people they supported. That is a much more reasonable explanation than "Framework consciously support Nazis and agree with their politics".
By the way, community reaction like this is a great way to kill any incentive companies have to sponsor open source.
If CHUDs start piling on Framework for something that turns out to be a nothing-burger I'm gonna buy another Framework laptop just to offset the damage.
I don't think so, it's saying they already hated them for making something they thought it was good unaffordable to those that could benefit most from it.
I can support the idea behind a company while not caring at all about them.
Giving money to open source projects on which you rely on for your business is good practice. While I've just now heard about DHH and his political views, I think it is important that the overall mission is to make Linux (and open source software) a mainstream alternative to proprietary solutions. As long as this is not hurting the mission I am personally fine with some unusual partnerships. The alternative is a world where Windows and macOS rule the world.
Additionally open source has always been about stepping up, so contributing or throwing money the other way are always an option. I personally donate to many projects I use. I mostly feel that my political views align with them.
And Ellison is deeply involved in controlling the US media landscape and the second wealthiest person on the planet. Ellison/Oracle are crab-rave bad. Framework is just "I'm not paying tons of extra money to support them and their philosophy" bad.
I hate framework because every laptop I've owned has been equally or more customizable and upgradable than a framework laptop. They're great at marketing, but that's about it.
I own a Framework laptop and had a dead pixel. I replaced it (within warranty) in about 15min. I could as well buy a new higher resolution display for that same laptop if I wanted to. This is new and is an improvement over my Thinkpad, where I could "only" upgrade/replace RAM, SSD and the battery.
Look at this guy who can upgrade his RAM and battery /j
No seriously, I fucking love my FW13 and I really hope nrp and FW clarify their stance on these projects. Even if they're a tiny minority of the projects they support. Maybe it's overblown, maybe it's just "let's give a laptop to the guy who makes my new fav distro", but it's bad due diligence.
Please observe rule 3 point 3:
It goes both ways. The situation is still developing, whatever information you have might become obsolete an hour from now. If you need to air your feelings, this isn't the right place for it. It's also worth keeping in mind that the interaction that led to this controversy was nothing more than an already opinionated post and a reply from a Framework employee who has no say in who gets sponsored. Even the person who made the original post decided to "let it rest".
Be intelligent, do not be led into a smear campaign on somebody's leash.
The employee in question is Nirav Patel... the CEO
Posting what distros you use for what purposes as CEO is also shit opsec. Cherry on top of the shit Sunday that is this CEO. The board can find someone better.
Overblown. You'd think they sold weapons to nazi, they sent a couple of laptops to open source developers which turned out to be assholes. People probably give more money to nazi when shopping and paying taxes
Yeah, but will you miss the opportunity of virtue signaling on the fediverse? Do you have an idea of how many upvotes that would bring you? /s
completely agreed.
This is whataboutism. In short, worse things happening elsewhere do not invalidate the concerns here. Enabling fascists in this burning global society of ours is dangerous
TIL Omarchy exists, is a dogshit arch spin and Framework is for some reason giving the sweaty loser running it and that rails cunt money because... Skidiots? I don't get it, sponsor something that isn't dog shit.
This sours my trust in their ability to discern basic facts about vendors. Disappointing.
Omarchy is just opinionated Arch...
...by a guy whose opinions include
I agree that those are terrible programs to have preinstalled but so is Steam
Hey don't you shit on my bazzite like that >:(. It.. Works
Only just found out about Omarchy the other day and it's just a Hyperland config with a bunch of Ai shit pre-installed...
Why are people even talking about it?
That's... that's what a distribution is. A base OS with bundled, preconfigured user applications.
Take a gander at the git repo: https://github.com/basecamp/omarchy
It does as much as most desktop distributions. More in some areas. It has merits regardless of your politics. I know I'll be borrowing some of the scripts.
No. It does not have merits. You go ahead steal some vibe scripts to install some dog shit I'm good.
He's much closer to broke than a billionaire. 100 million dollars is just 1/10th of a billion and he probably doesn't even have that, thankfully
Context
Look, to live together we have to learn to compromise.
Here's a list of your friends, cross the ones you like the least.
"OK guys. We gotta live together. As a compromise, how about we only deport half of your family?"
Oh who are we kidding. These guys don't compromise.
But you know... It's TOTALLY politics to not want your money going to people who want you dead, so RULE 3 GUYS RULE THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
OMG what a shit show.
thanks, I thought it was talking about some generic framework at first
Why has Omarchy blown up like this? Are there really that many devs out there or is just right-wing influencers pushing it?
Because it's a competently-made, new distribution with interesting features. Not everything you don't understand is a fucking conspiracy.
Did I hit a nerve or something? Not every "competently made distribution" gets pushed to the top of reddit and twitter to get funding from Cloudflare. Why did this one?
It was also features in popular Podcasts like syntax.fm and changelog.com I hear them a lot and especially Changelog featured DHH often, so I had a positive opinion of that name until I really read his blog and what he is.
Ah, the mod is a fan of the milkshake duck!
What? I feel like I'm missing something.
Framework has endorsed a Linux distribution by a developer with controversial social views.
I hate phrasing like that. He wants to be able to murder certain kinds of people he doesn’t like
He does?
I read the first link in the thread that examines his blog post about London. While I don't agree with his politics he wouldn't be unusual amongst a significant minority of the population who vote for the likes of Reform. That seems to be enough for some to draw the conclusion he's a Nazi he wants to arbitrarily murder people.
This automatic jump to accusing anyone who you disagree with a Nazi just devalues the term.
Nah I don’t deal with that apologist crap. The endgame is always going to be murder or slavery if you’re not white enough for them. If you let them pull any of their shit they’ll murder you in the end and laugh that you were stupid enough to let them. Zero tolerance.
I believe it's necessary to clarify þat Framework is giving material support to two projects which are headed by controversial personages - not just endorsements.
It's a long þread.
It's a long bread.
Everything is baguette, join us.
If you let it exposed for long enough it hardens and you can use it as a þat
I thought with one of them, it was "just" using the official platform to promote it dozens of times.
Yes. Some context would be welcome. Otherwise this feels like spam to sabotage a company actively participating in right to repair. (Edit: OP's post history seems to be in good faith. Maybe they will clarify
I have no idea what this is about. Framework on Wikipedia doesn't even have a "controversy" section
Oh, boy. Are you in for a treat!
This is a joke
Framework is a small company. In all likelihood they just did a poor job of vetting the people they supported. That is a much more reasonable explanation than "Framework consciously support Nazis and agree with their politics".
By the way, community reaction like this is a great way to kill any incentive companies have to sponsor open source.
If CHUDs start piling on Framework for something that turns out to be a nothing-burger I'm gonna buy another Framework laptop just to offset the damage.
I, as an arch user, honestly approve of this one. Well played, fuck you and see ya next week!
(the f u is /j ofc)
I know it's not intended, but this meme is low-key saying you support framework (you just can't afford it)...
WDYM "low-key"? That's exactly what it's saying, no?!
I don't think so, it's saying they already hated them for making something they thought it was good unaffordable to those that could benefit most from it.
I can support the idea behind a company while not caring at all about them.
Giving money to open source projects on which you rely on for your business is good practice. While I've just now heard about DHH and his political views, I think it is important that the overall mission is to make Linux (and open source software) a mainstream alternative to proprietary solutions. As long as this is not hurting the mission I am personally fine with some unusual partnerships. The alternative is a world where Windows and macOS rule the world.
Additionally open source has always been about stepping up, so contributing or throwing money the other way are always an option. I personally donate to many projects I use. I mostly feel that my political views align with them.
DHH would have enough money, he doesnt needs it. Omarchy ist just some dotfiles + marketing
Funding a non political project when you disagree with the politics of the owners isn't evil. I donate to the lemmy devs from time to time
Oracle funding Israel.
And Ellison is deeply involved in controlling the US media landscape and the second wealthiest person on the planet. Ellison/Oracle are crab-rave bad. Framework is just "I'm not paying tons of extra money to support them and their philosophy" bad.
Never mind what is up with Nazis? I don't know about it.
Seriously though you can get a brand new thinkpad for cheaper price than a similar framework. The prices are eh.
I hate framework because every laptop I've owned has been equally or more customizable and upgradable than a framework laptop. They're great at marketing, but that's about it.
There's no way that's true.
You have laptops with upgradable GPUs? They came out with a GPU upgrade for my 16
I own a Framework laptop and had a dead pixel. I replaced it (within warranty) in about 15min. I could as well buy a new higher resolution display for that same laptop if I wanted to. This is new and is an improvement over my Thinkpad, where I could "only" upgrade/replace RAM, SSD and the battery.
Look at this guy who can upgrade his RAM and battery /j
No seriously, I fucking love my FW13 and I really hope nrp and FW clarify their stance on these projects. Even if they're a tiny minority of the projects they support. Maybe it's overblown, maybe it's just "let's give a laptop to the guy who makes my new fav distro", but it's bad due diligence.