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Which timezone would win in a conflict?

Let’s say people can’t agree on the time to go to bed, and each timezone declared war on every other timezone. Who would win in this conflict? What alliances would form, and will there be betrayal? What would the new world order look like with a standard time for everyone?

GMT+8 looks good with the entire population of China on its side. GMT+1 and +2 have large chunks of Europe and Africa and could be quite strong too. The timezones in the east and west coast of the U.S. might also stand a good chance.

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aussie.zone

Definitely +8, they have like a third of the world's population.

The first to lose world be +8.25 they're at the bottom of Western Australia. There's roughly 12 people there unless Bruce is passing through. A fuck ton of emu war veterans though. From the side that won

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Not to mention that the entirety of China, a singular political and military entity (a fairly strong one nonetheless), is somehow all +8 due to a technicality

Now all of China knows you're here!

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aussie.zone

The one with the entire country of china obviously

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aussie.zone

Yeah I'm regretting migrating from West Australia to East....

Enjoy the new hegemony, you dirty ass sand gropers!

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Fleur_reply
aussie.zone

Brother are we the same person?

I don't regret moving over though lol

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Probably China. It’s one nation, full of industry and under a single leadership. They could produce whatever they needed. China is one time zone.

Next competitor is the slice encompassing a large number of countries in Africa as well as most of western Europe. Huge number of people and industries contained in that slice, but they lack common leadership.

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lemmy.world

China's cheating, it's all crammed forcefully into one timezone, Beijing's!
In far western China in winter, it could be noon and the sun is barely rising over the horizon. Then in summer the sunset might be at around 1am.

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mander.xyz

I never noticed that China only has one time zone. Must be terrible for the people on the west end

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Oh and +1 isn't. Look at it, they put Spain in Berlin's time zone to appease an angry loser 90 years ago and just left it there

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redlemmy.com

There should be no time zones. We don't need them. It's 8pm, everywhere on Earth at the same time. Darkness is falling at 8pm in Dublin, but it's still sunny and bright at 8pm in New York. It would take some adjusting but would remove all of the logic and cost associated with timing a particular place.

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nandeEbisureply
lemmy.world

Ask people in western China how that's working for them. And that's only the width of one country, not a continent or hemisphere.

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stinkyreply
redlemmy.com

If your friend is of China's majority Han ethnicity, you can assume that by 3 o'clock he's referring to Beijing Standard Time. But if your friend is a Uighur, the largest ethnic minority group in Xinjiang, he might be referring to “local time,” which is two hours behind.

^ this is a problem because of the existence of time zones.

In the summer, for instance, it isn’t uncommon in Urumqi, Xinjiang's capital, to see people enjoying a beautiful sunset ... at midnight

^ this is NOT a problem. there is no inherent issue with the sun being up at midnight.

Time Zones cause more trouble than they're worth, as you pointed out. I'm recommending removing them.

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I think we can arrive to a best-of-both-worlds solution if we just up the tolerance for when solar noon can be to 12:00±2 h. If China just had +7 instead of +8 as their timezone then 99 % of the population would have solar noon in between 10:30 and 13:30. Same applies to the entire EU (excluding Outermost Regions) if it had +1. The entirety of South America and most of the Caribbean would fit in +4. The US could definitely get away with 3 timezones instead of its current 5 (-6, -8, -10).

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Any war with this many aggressors who were all opposed to each other absolutely would just look like everyone killing each other at random. Even without nukes, it would be madness on a scale never before seen, resulting in a quieter, nay sleepier world.

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US and Russia would tear themselves apart internally. That leaves China with the largest functioning army, vs the EU if they can mobilize fast enough

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It would result in the total collapse of the entire time zone system. Every location would switch to local solar time and the war would be over.

When those areas need to communicate with each other, they would develop a new global time system that simply counts seconds from a particular moment in time. Sort of like unix time, but with the epoch set to the moment the new system was launched.

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lemmy.world

Develop a new time global system? We Brits can't even agree on what to call a bread roll!

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lemmy.zip

The rest of the world can use the new standard, and ignore the Brits. They can keep their Brexit while the rest of the world can move on. Everybody wins!

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they could but wouldn't. not for moral reasons but because if you end all life companies that own you wouldn't make any money.

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Every TZ has a similar amount of tactical nuclear penguins. The only way to win is not to play.

=> the moon.

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The one with Hawaii could just pretend they've already been wiped out and wait for everyone else to destroy each other

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lemmy.wtf

I think it's depend of which kind of war. If it's obvious for everyone that "they is no way we can agree" from the beginning, so it's a nuclear preemptive strike from the first timezone aware of the rules. So Europe, China, India and Pakistan are close competitors. US have and Canada shall destroy itself, their nuclear capacities are spread across several "timezone interests". Funny enough, what may make the difference between Europe, China, India and Pakistan may be the hour when the situation declare itself. If the ruling class is asleep, officer may need to wait to wake them up, as it was during the 1983 false nuclear alarm

If it's not obvious that their is no way to make agreement, we may see an escalation of conflict, starting with soft and hard power. This scenario may be very close of the current relationships, and the winner may be the main imperialists power : Europe or the US In this scenario, it seems obvious that the US adopt one timezone, and make it adopt for every countries in the North and South America. It's next move would be to sabotage other negotiations. I didn't exclude Europe from the competitions, because the neo-colonial relationships may help the expand their timezone in their former colonies. What may make the differences is the attitude of UK and Russa. Depending if they adopt the European timezone or not.

I don't think the number of people involve in one timezone make a change; this is short term scenarios, and economic and diplomatic power seems unrelated with the population size

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feddit.uk

Every military in the world uses UTC so I'm gonna say that.

Otherwise, I'd go for UTC-1 because... well, look at it. There's no way they could lose because there's nothing there to lose. Nuke away, boyos, it's all ocean.

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Don’t underestimate the might of Cape/Capo Verde and the Canary Islands!

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Australians, because they live in the future. Theyll fuck you up yesterday.

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programming.dev

They would all lose because they stretch all the way down into Antarctica which means that the penguins would be involved...

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lemmy.world

Hmm how do time zones work at the south pole? Can you run in a small circle and hit most if not all of them?

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+9 appears to be currently shivving +10, so my money is with them

I may have misunderstood the assignment

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feddit.org

Nah, Europe ain't shit. I bet the US east coast timezone could beat all of GMT+1 alone even without using nukes.

Nukes kind of create a conundrum, though, because they're pretty much the reason why the big powers stopped direct warfare between each other. If China, Europe and the US had an outright war, those nukes would probably start dropping, and then everybody loses, but also, it's kind of difficult to truly know how good a country is at nuclear warfare. GMT+1 is certainly going to lose this, though, each of the 4 US timezone could probably nuke it into oblivion, especially since e.g. Germany already has US army bases that are equipped with nuked on its own ground. But how many nukes China actually has and how good the US's missile interception systems are? Who knows, maybe they're just that much better. Though even if the US were theoretically stronger, they're divided into 4 timezones, and it's not a given that they'll automatically ally with each other, which again gives China a huge advantage.

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feddit.org

Hey, not country war, timezone war! Those bases? They belong to team GMT+1 now!

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feddit.org

I suppose that would help, but I'd assume that most nukes are still in the continental US.

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UTC+08:45 obviously has the biggest military presence and would steamroll every other timezone.

/s

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You can travel from Ucraine to Japan (half the world) and only go through 4 time zones?

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lemmy.world

How it would work later you can see in china because the point they took for their time zone is an end.
People would simply say something like: which retards came to the idea that 4:20 should in the middle of the suntime??

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