I wanna go back to medieval crests, where they would throw in symbology for every little detail about the family/guild/whatever. I wanna be able to know everything about a product/app just by looking at its icon.
Wow I actually love this idea. There could be some common symbol in the crests to denote what kind of open source license they follow (GNU, MIT, etc), affiliation with other software, all sorts of cool stuff.
Uh, yeah; gonna need a source on this. You're allowed to not like that they made Google the default search engine, but this statement is straight up-misinformation.
I can't rember my source so take this with a grain of salt but your browser still connects to telemetry.mozilla.org even when telemetry is turned off and you need to use something like arkenfox or install a fork like librewolf to fully disable. I discovered this after going through a rabbithole when pihole said it blocked telemetry.mozilla.org even when I disabled telemetry
Takes a couple of seconds to change the default engine, turn off the gnarlier of the telemetry, and disable the sponsored stuff in the new tab page. Infinitely better than any other mainstream browser
Duckduckgo proxies bing search results (ober the api, they aren't chad scrapers) and is therefore is under the foot of microsoft. This has forced them to whitelist ms trackers in their privacy tools but I haven't heard anything bad about the search engine.
Startpage scrapes google results so isn't under anyones foot. It has had some controversy due to being bought by an ad company but they haven't seemed to do anything bad yet
Are you referring to the time when the DuckDuckGo browser was blocking all known trackers except Microsoft trackers? After that information was made public and users complained, DuckDuckGo was able to renegotiate its agreement with Microsoft so that it can block their trackers.
Furthermore, DuckDuckGo now publish their blocklist on GitHub.
It’s worth clarifying that this issue affected the DuckDuckGo browser, not the search engine itself.
So if you were refusing to use DuckDuckGo browser on the basis that they allow Microsoft tracking, then that issue has been resolved now. But if you were saying that this incident has made you lose trust in DDG and that’s why you refuse to use it… well, that’s fair enough. It’s your choice, but I personally would trust DDG more than StartPage, just because StartPage is owned by an ad company.
It keeps Google from anti-competitive lawsuits. So it’s mutually beneficial, although the first thing you should do is change your search engine to a more private one.
Googles been the default engine since the Netscape Websuite days. I don't always love what Mozilla does with their browser, but they do an excellent job of balancing "the web should be easy to use," "the web should be humane," and "the web should be what you want it to be."
If you want to say Mozilla sucks, that's fine, go ahead, just be ready for that any other browser Dev group is either worse or dependent on being downstream of Firefox to do what they do
Have you ever heard of a religion (actually a group of religions) called Christianity? They call their god simply God, and they're pretty far spread along the world.
Wow. I'm surprised at the dislike for the old detailed icon. Maybe it's being old enough to remember black and white icons, but I miss the increasing amount of colors that icons had for a while there. I hate the trend toward monocolor silhouettes.
Originally called Phoenix, since it was Netscape Navigator, reborn.
But Phoenix Technologies disliked that, so they renamed to a descriptive name for the same immortal bird -- Firebird.
The Firebird database people would have none of that, so after a few-months gap between 0.x releases, they found the closest thing they possibly could which was not trademarked. It had nothing to do with the original name idea, fire being a weak link.
And we've been stuck with that stupid name for two decades.
There was a satirical addon back in this day that would change the Firefox name every time you opened it to like WaterHippo or SunJackal to make fun of this.
I have no memory of the 2002 one and I swapped over from Netscape which is weird.. I have a vague memory of their thunderbird logo looking similar at one point but maybe I'm getting them mixed up
Didn't it used to be called Firebird or something but had to change its name due to copyright? I remember when it was v1 and seeing advertising about it in the paper. It really did start the ball rolling in getting people away from IE. Chrome then came out and dominated.
"What happened to me? People care more about polished functionality than their privacy, and are willing to trade privacy for something that steals all their data as long as it is "faster," even though I'm arguably faster than Chrome at this point..."
Most regular ass people don't give one flying fuck about being owned by corporations, they're happy to get reamed by companies that don't give a shit if they live or die.
The new one looks so much better than that overdetailed crap, I don't want a painting, I want an easily discernable icon. Also, I can't believe we're still doing Firefox so many years after its new logo debuted, especially since Thunderbird just changed their logo. In my opinion, it seems like people are just reiterating the same joke some bloke did without even looking up the why and how. And before you ask, yes I prefer the new Thunderbird logo too, it's much more discernable.
Firefox gets so much crap for the logo when it's probably the best minimalist logo there is. People just mistook the more general Firefox "brand" logo with the actual browser logo.
I understand the meme as being about the glory days (or at least closer to them) vs whatever slow, niche burn this is in the times of the new logo. Firefox is great, I wish they invested more money they’re getting into development though (they’re pretty good financially reading by the reports yet they’re… reducing development teams?).
That said I’m fed with minimalism everywhere and want the detailed, colorful icons to make a comeback :’( Firefox actually does reasonably good job design-wise in the “modern world” (with the opposites being google apps - the epitome of generic blandness). I was reading article recently on neumorphism as successor to skeuomorphism trend and I’ve fucking got my fingers crossed so hard for it to become popular.
I'm sure quite a few people can agree that we do not like the oversimplifying of logos. I know I sure as hell don't. The old logo was so much better looking if you ask me.
When the Mosaic devs formed Netscape adopted the "Mozilla" kaiju (giant monster Mosaic) as their mascot. When Netscape open-sourced Nagator, Mozilla went along with it.
For real though, if it bothers you that much, I think it’s possible to change the shortcut icon on your desktop. You would have to download the old Firefox logo as an image on your computer, and then edit the properties of the Firefox shortcut to use the downloaded image of the old icon instead of the regular app icon. This won’t help for the mobile app though.
I prefer the right, simplified one on my phone. It's quicker to identify and the simple, bolder colors play better. I'd like to see the detailed one on the left on their website or something.
If the world is going towards simplified logos, gotta at least make yours good. Firefox did that. Can't complain.
I wanna go back to medieval crests, where they would throw in symbology for every little detail about the family/guild/whatever. I wanna be able to know everything about a product/app just by looking at its icon.
Wow I actually love this idea. There could be some common symbol in the crests to denote what kind of open source license they follow (GNU, MIT, etc), affiliation with other software, all sorts of cool stuff.
What happens when someone makes a fork of your crest?
Ya put a fork on it. Duh.
God damn it. Here's your upvote.
Do like the Brits and just slap the smaller flag in the corner of the new flag
I'm still going to complain.
The new one is bland and I hate the bright colors. If it was the same but with the old color palette it would be acceptable.
My favorite is the last one. Not the one on the left, but this one:
I miss that tiny paw.
I am pro the paw.
I don't get the significance of the purple globe. The orange, yellow, and blue combination looks more vibrant and is just so iconic
Global warming?
It's a growng trnd f ovrsmplfctn.
👆
Mozilla colors, maybe? And purple to blue gradients look good.
Man, I had forgotten how good this one was. The current logo is nice but this was peak Firefox.
this one was perfection
I changed the logo to this one on my Linux computer.
I love Firefox's new logo..
Yeah, I feel like it’s one of the best current logos. It’s simplified but not oversimplified and it looks really good.
That's not it. Mozilla has ruined firefox. They have added spyware and made google the default engine. Most of their profits go to shady places, etc
Uh, yeah; gonna need a source on this. You're allowed to not like that they made Google the default search engine, but this statement is straight up-misinformation.
I presume they're talking about pocket integration
I can't rember my source so take this with a grain of salt but your browser still connects to telemetry.mozilla.org even when telemetry is turned off and you need to use something like arkenfox or install a fork like librewolf to fully disable. I discovered this after going through a rabbithole when pihole said it blocked telemetry.mozilla.org even when I disabled telemetry
I have found this support page on the matter
They also have no rule against spyware (or at least proprietary software) on addons.mozilla.org
They need money somehow, making Google the default search engine is a source of income.
You can always make startpage or ddg your default search engine anyways, both on android and desktop
Takes a couple of seconds to change the default engine, turn off the gnarlier of the telemetry, and disable the sponsored stuff in the new tab page. Infinitely better than any other mainstream browser
Not really a high bar
Duckduckgo proxies bing search results (ober the api, they aren't chad scrapers) and is therefore is under the foot of microsoft. This has forced them to whitelist ms trackers in their privacy tools but I haven't heard anything bad about the search engine.
Startpage scrapes google results so isn't under anyones foot. It has had some controversy due to being bought by an ad company but they haven't seemed to do anything bad yet
In all, startpage is better than duckduckgo
Which search engine do you recommend?
I don't know
Maybe brave search?
I don't think brave is privacy friendly at all
Are you referring to the time when the DuckDuckGo browser was blocking all known trackers except Microsoft trackers? After that information was made public and users complained, DuckDuckGo was able to renegotiate its agreement with Microsoft so that it can block their trackers.
Furthermore, DuckDuckGo now publish their blocklist on GitHub.
Source: https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/05/duckduckgo-microsoft-tracking-scripts
It’s worth clarifying that this issue affected the DuckDuckGo browser, not the search engine itself.
So if you were refusing to use DuckDuckGo browser on the basis that they allow Microsoft tracking, then that issue has been resolved now. But if you were saying that this incident has made you lose trust in DDG and that’s why you refuse to use it… well, that’s fair enough. It’s your choice, but I personally would trust DDG more than StartPage, just because StartPage is owned by an ad company.
It keeps Google from anti-competitive lawsuits. So it’s mutually beneficial, although the first thing you should do is change your search engine to a more private one.
If you are paying people to compete with you, you need some anticompetitive lawsuits.
you’re not wrong.
Most of their money goes to shady places anyway. The money is unnecessery
Googles been the default engine since the Netscape Websuite days. I don't always love what Mozilla does with their browser, but they do an excellent job of balancing "the web should be easy to use," "the web should be humane," and "the web should be what you want it to be."
If you want to say Mozilla sucks, that's fine, go ahead, just be ready for that any other browser Dev group is either worse or dependent on being downstream of Firefox to do what they do
I couldn't give two shits about a fucking icon.
The only correct answer. This thread can be closed.
https://i.imgur.com/4TfZ9p0.jpg
Ah, much better
You are required by law to scale the icon size up to emphasize the detail appropriately.
Every day we stray further from god
To be fair, he's been an absent father for centuries, so it's not our fault.
You mean we stray further from a god. God isn't a proper noun so it must be prefixed by a determiner.
Have you ever heard of a religion (actually a group of religions) called Christianity? They call their god simply God, and they're pretty far spread along the world.
You seem so confident for someone who is wrong
Installing this as my system icon now brb
Foxy!
RIP to the people in the north pole
This is why the Arctic is melting. 😜
Can we have a Furry Fox browser fork?
The old logo is too busy and doesn't look like fire. Ngl I like the new one, it feels like the fire is cradling the earth.
In that color, that's clearly not the earth anymore
Doesn't look like earth in the earlier either. That land area look nothing like earth
Fair point. I guess they didn't want to reference a specific place.
Might be true
I think it's neat especially next to the new thunderbird logo. IMHO it still has character and is not oversimplified.
Wow. I'm surprised at the dislike for the old detailed icon. Maybe it's being old enough to remember black and white icons, but I miss the increasing amount of colors that icons had for a while there. I hate the trend toward monocolor silhouettes.
It is more the dislike of people hating on the new icon, like OP.
Either icon is fine, you may dislike one of the icons but at the end of the day it is just an icon.
You click it, it opens the software, and you move on.
BACK IN MY DAY WE DIDN'T HAVE GUIS OR COMPUTERIZED RODENTS
The original Firefox (originally called Firebird) logo be like:
Oh, hence Thunderbird.
…Wait, where are Waterbird and Landbird ? Are they safe ? Are they alright ?
Originally called Phoenix, since it was Netscape Navigator, reborn.
But Phoenix Technologies disliked that, so they renamed to a descriptive name for the same immortal bird -- Firebird.
The Firebird database people would have none of that, so after a few-months gap between 0.x releases, they found the closest thing they possibly could which was not trademarked. It had nothing to do with the original name idea, fire being a weak link.
And we've been stuck with that stupid name for two decades.
It's kinda crazy the whole reason we have Firefox is a company was crushed by Microsoft and said "fuck it, shit's open source now."
There was a satirical addon back in this day that would change the Firefox name every time you opened it to like WaterHippo or SunJackal to make fun of this.
Every Firefox logo is a masterpiece. This one is no exception.
2004-2009 were the golden years... Although I'd gladly use it if it had the 2002 logo my reference
I have no memory of the 2002 one and I swapped over from Netscape which is weird.. I have a vague memory of their thunderbird logo looking similar at one point but maybe I'm getting them mixed up
Bring back 2005!
im not sure whether i like that one or the 2009 one better tbh.
Didn't it used to be called Firebird or something but had to change its name due to copyright? I remember when it was v1 and seeing advertising about it in the paper. It really did start the ball rolling in getting people away from IE. Chrome then came out and dominated.
I remember installing Firebird 0.6 off a magazine cover disk!
I think I switched back to Mozilla pretty quickly as I was like "but this is just a browser, where's email and IRC"
I guess I didn't originally get the point. Ended up switching back a couple of years later
I'm fine with the current logo. But, the 2002 logo looks rad. After that, the logo from 2004 is cool.
Nah, I like the new logo.
"What happened to me? People care more about polished functionality than their privacy, and are willing to trade privacy for something that steals all their data as long as it is "faster," even though I'm arguably faster than Chrome at this point..."
Most regular ass people don't give one flying fuck about being owned by corporations, they're happy to get reamed by companies that don't give a shit if they live or die.
i like this newer firefox logo
The new one looks so much better than that overdetailed crap, I don't want a painting, I want an easily discernable icon. Also, I can't believe we're still doing Firefox so many years after its new logo debuted, especially since Thunderbird just changed their logo. In my opinion, it seems like people are just reiterating the same joke some bloke did without even looking up the why and how. And before you ask, yes I prefer the new Thunderbird logo too, it's much more discernable.
Firefox gets so much crap for the logo when it's probably the best minimalist logo there is. People just mistook the more general Firefox "brand" logo with the actual browser logo.
I understand the meme as being about the glory days (or at least closer to them) vs whatever slow, niche burn this is in the times of the new logo. Firefox is great, I wish they invested more money they’re getting into development though (they’re pretty good financially reading by the reports yet they’re… reducing development teams?).
That said I’m fed with minimalism everywhere and want the detailed, colorful icons to make a comeback :’( Firefox actually does reasonably good job design-wise in the “modern world” (with the opposites being google apps - the epitome of generic blandness). I was reading article recently on neumorphism as successor to skeuomorphism trend and I’ve fucking got my fingers crossed so hard for it to become popular.
I use the developer edition and it has a neat blue variant of the logo.
I'm sure quite a few people can agree that we do not like the oversimplifying of logos. I know I sure as hell don't. The old logo was so much better looking if you ask me.
I've been using Firefox since it was called Phoenix, just looked and it has been 20 years.
"Oh hey, a lighter version of Mozilla without the mail stuff"
It really has been forever..
I've been using it since it was Mosaic. Nyah
I used Mosaic also but I didn't know of any lineage between it and Phoenix, Firebird, Firefox. Is it related?
When the Mosaic devs formed Netscape adopted the "Mozilla" kaiju (giant monster Mosaic) as their mascot. When Netscape open-sourced Nagator, Mozilla went along with it.
I miss the old firefox logo but new one is still really good in my opinion
Near fifteen years, bræh.
Wait another fifteen.
Look how they massacred my boy…
For real though, if it bothers you that much, I think it’s possible to change the shortcut icon on your desktop. You would have to download the old Firefox logo as an image on your computer, and then edit the properties of the Firefox shortcut to use the downloaded image of the old icon instead of the regular app icon. This won’t help for the mobile app though.
Mobile app can be changed with viral or some such icon downloader, assuming you're on android.
Depending on your launcher it can be even easier. I use the Firefox logo on Mull (Firefox fork from F-Droid) to make it easier to find
Rip cheems
The last time I was happy was when the chrome icon was still three dimensional
I LOVE LIBREWOLF!!! BUT I AM OPEN TO CHANGE IF ANOTHER NON-CHROMIUM BROWSER SUPERSEEDS IT!!!
I prefer the right, simplified one on my phone. It's quicker to identify and the simple, bolder colors play better. I'd like to see the detailed one on the left on their website or something.
It seems like every time Mozilla Firefox changes it's logo my life hits a snag. >_>
It's aiight
Base
The Firefox devs played The Silent Age and really liked the aesthetic.