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Best phone for the near future?

Yo yo!

I have very little technical knowledge so please excuse any senseless mistakes.

I want a phone that I can use that is private and secure for the next couple of years. I understand that new android phones will be made differently so I can't side load (whatever that means, I just know it is important). I have an iPhone 12 rn but I'd rather leave the iOS ecosystem. Rn I'm typing this message on a pixel 3.

Is a pixel 3 old enough to still be a safe and secure phone that I can side load apps on in the future?

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As others have said, look into an alternate OS as your best option. I only have experience with GrapheneOS, but it's super simple to install and functions pretty well out of the box.

Unfortunately your pixel 3 is too old and no longer supported. 6 is the oldest supported and they recommend 8 or newer because those have 7 year support cycles as opposed to 5 on earlier models.

That aligns with your wants though, as a pixel 6 is 4 years into its support cycle so oud only get another year out of it. Maybe you'd be OK with a 7 and 2 years, but if you went 8 then you'd have 5 years remaining. So it depends on how future proof you want vs your budget. General recommendation would be to buy a phone second hand.

Take a look at their FAQ for more info. It'll probably answer a lot of your questions. https://grapheneos.org/faq

I'll also say that even if you run GOS in a non private manner, its still more private than a standard android phone. I know somebody who runs GOS with google services on (gasp!) but that is still more private because it runs sandboxed and not with full reign of the OS. GOS also has a lot of options like turning your mic on and off and disabling Bluetooth. Even simple things like that are good first steps in getting into a private phone.

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lemmy.ml

As others have said, look into an alternate OS as your best option. I only have experience with GrapheneOS, but it's super simple to install and functions pretty well out of the box.

Unfortunately your pixel 3 is too old and no longer supported. 6 is the oldest supported and they recommend 8 or newer because those have 7 year support cycles as opposed to 5 on earlier models.

That aligns with your wants though, as a pixel 6 is 4 years into its support cycle so oud only get another year out of it. Maybe you'd be OK with a 7 and 2 years, but if you went 8 then you'd have 5 years remaining. So it depends on how future proof you want vs your budget. General recommendation would be to buy a phone second hand.

Take a look at their FAQ for more info. It'll probably answer a lot of your questions. https://grapheneos.org/faq

I'll also say that even if you run GOS in a non private manner, its still more private than a standard android phone. I know somebody who runs GOS with google services on (gasp!) but that is still more private because it runs sandboxed and not with full reign of the OS. GOS also has a lot of options like turning your mic on and off and disabling Bluetooth. Even simple things like that are good first steps in getting into a private phone.

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Despite all of the critisism, I can vouch for murena with /e/OS.

Yes, you're replacing one corporation with another but I naiivly believe that murena is less invasive than google or apple.

Phones come preinstalled and are ready to use out of the box with no hassle.

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Like everyone else in this thread, I would strongly recommend GrapheneOS.

To give you a specific phone recommendation, I would suggest the Pixel 9a. At $500 before any discounts, it's the best value per dollar for a privacy oriented phone. Because it just came out earlier this year, it will also be receiving security updates for years into the future.

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lemmy.world

Ironicly, the pixle is actually a good choice, because you can put GrapheneOS on it. Its a deGoogled android project with a very security focused dev team behind it.

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Ya that’s what I’ve heard. It’s strange but whatever works.

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Not a Pixel 3, that's not supported anymore by the Graphene or Google devs.

EDIT: Network issues meant duplicated reply.

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TBH it really depends on your threat model. Yes grapheneos is great for privacy minded and secure smart phone options. However, just by having a sim card in your phone and connected to cell towers on your network and not in a faraday bag you are not at all private to state-backed entites. If you use sms at all your messages are not private. If you receive push notifications on your smart phone the metadata, and in many cases the content itself, is retrievable and not private.

I can’t recommend graphene for privacy, however if security is your main concern it will definitely do that well.

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For now, everything is speculation and there's no way to know how google will implement the new restrictions, for example, google could disable installing apk from the OS, but still allow sideloading from adb, and then f-droid and helper apps could somehow use adb to go around it. It's still too early to tell.

One thing I can be somewhat certain is that custom roms won't have this restriction so if you get a phone that supports graphene OS, lineageOS, /e/is, etc, you shouldn't have to worry with it.

Which leads to another question, do you need google services? I personally don't but some people are tied to it for some reason, banking apps? Gladly my bank works on the web browser, or else I would just switch banks.

Alternatively you can keep your iphone as a banking/government machine on your other pocket.

As for what phone to get, if you can afford an iphone, you can afford the latest pixel and install graphene OS on it, graphene OS offers the most privacy and security, in certain cases a slightly older device can be cheaper, but note that newer devices offer 7 years support, rather 5, so you have to calculate the cost by dividing the price by the remaining years of support.

Alternatively if you can't afford a pixel the cheapest (but not so good) solution I think it's a nothing CMF phone one with /e/OS, but do your own research.

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You are good at least as high as the Pixel 9 for certain, and likely the Pixel 10 will be fine.

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As others have said, look into an alternate OS as your best option. I only have experience with GrapheneOS, but it's super simple to install and functions pretty well out of the box.

Unfortunately your pixel 3 is too old and no longer supported. 6 is the oldest supported and they recommend 8 or newer because those have 7 year support cycles as opposed to 5 on earlier models.

That aligns with your wants though, as a pixel 6 is 4 years into its support cycle so oud only get another year out of it. Maybe you'd be OK with a 7 and 2 years, but if you went 8 then you'd have 5 years remaining. So it depends on how future proof you want vs your budget. General recommendation would be to buy a phone second hand.

Take a look at their FAQ for more info. It'll probably answer a lot of your questions. https://grapheneos.org/faq

I'll also say that even if you run GOS in a non private manner, its still more private than a standard android phone. I know somebody who runs GOS with google services on (gasp!) but that is still more private because it runs sandboxed and not with full reign of the OS. GOS also has a lot of options like turning your mic on and off and disabling Bluetooth. Even simple things like that are good first steps in getting into a private phone.

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I installed Lineage once and it fully wiped my phone when I updated to OS. Needless to say I'll never do that again.

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lemmy.zip

Sick I’ve never heard of that one before. It seems like we have good options to choose from for phones and OS’s

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I for one look forward to taking my LUKS encrypted PinePhone thru US customs

Just have to pick the Lock Screen image. Right now I'm leaning towards Fountainhead Charlie

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As others have said, look into an alternate OS as your best option. I only have experience with GrapheneOS, but it's super simple to install and functions pretty well out of the box.

Unfortunately your pixel 3 is too old and no longer supported. 6 is the oldest supported and they recommend 8 or newer because those have 7 year support cycles as opposed to 5 on earlier models.

That aligns with your wants though, as a pixel 6 is 4 years into its support cycle so oud only get another year out of it. Maybe you'd be OK with a 7 and 2 years, but if you went 8 then you'd have 5 years remaining. So it depends on how future proof you want vs your budget. General recommendation would be to buy a phone second hand.

Take a look at their FAQ for more info. It'll probably answer a lot of your questions. https://grapheneos.org/faq

I'll also say that even if you run GOS in a non private manner, its still more private than a standard android phone. I know somebody who runs GOS with google services on (gasp!) but that is still more private because it runs sandboxed and not with full reign of the OS. GOS also has a lot of options like turning your mic on and off and disabling Bluetooth. Even simple things like that are good first steps in getting into a private phone.

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lemmy.zip

Half a grand for a phone?!?? Holy smokes, I'm going to check facebook marketplace first.

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sh.itjust.works

It's cheaper than many Apple phones, lol, but yeah, most modern phones are like this. At least you're paying for freedom on this one

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Facts, thanks for the suggestion. Hopefully I can haggle someone down

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A Pixel 3 is a very insecure phone due to the lack of security updates from Google.

The only way Google can block side-loading of apps (installing apps from F-Droid app store for example) is to use Google software. Likely this will be the Play Store or Play Services. If you install a degoogled OS, such as GrapheneOS (GOS), onto a newer Pixel you will not be blocked from side-loading.

GOS can be installed on Pixel 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 when it's available. Here is a page that tells you how long the various Pixel models will have security updates https://endoflife.date/pixel so you can weigh the cost v number of years of security updates.

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