DOJ Can’t Tie Suspected Kirk Killer to Left Like MAGA Wants
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Charlie could have been run over by a monster truck with TRUMP painted on the side with a fuck your feelings flag and the driver could have worn a maga hat and cut off sleeves shirt and the right would still try to connect it to LGBTQ+.
An tee fuh
Literally the first thing they said before anyone even figured out where the shot came from.
Not going to. This was all predicted by people smarter than I, during the first Trump admin.
MAGAt gets primed for violence for years. MAGAt figures out he's been lied to all along. MAGAt uses that penchant for violence on the scum that has been lying to him. The only difference is that people assumed politicians would be the target.
1.) His steam acct name was apparently DonaldTrump, no progressive or liberal is going to want to be associated with that, even ironically.
2.) If you didn't vote in '22 or '24 & you were legally able, you're not a progressive or liberal, full stop.
I find it very hard to believe that that username would be available on Steam even in 2018 or whenever he made the account, unless you just mean the username that you can change to anything and not the actual login username associated with an account and profile
I don't think login names are public. I could be wrong.
Not a liberal. Some kinds of progressive don't see electoralism as worth their time. Especially if they live in deep reb/blue districts.
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You gotta do that last year, or a little while later, after people have forgotten. Trying to say it doesn't matter who wins elections right now is... not going to be convincing.
It's actually exactly like what happened with vaccines. We had so many years living in a society which didn't have active urgent throw-you-in-the-camps-for-no-reason tyranny that people stopped believing it was really real, and they're still out confidently saying it's not worth taking basic easy steps to prevent.
It wouldn't prevent it, only delay it.
The empire is in decline, and when that happens the empire always turns inward. That's fascism. In order to prevent fascism by voting you'd have to win every single election for the rest of our lives. The fascists only had to win once. It was inevitable.
Revolution was always the only hope for truly preventing fascism, rather than just delaying it.
While I agree that Harris would have probably just delayed the entire thing, I disagree that this is a bad thing. Any time not spent under fascist rule is good time. Considering the massive amounts of damage Trump has wrought outside the US, he was definitely the worse option.
If fascism is inevitable, isn't it better for the fascist strongman to be fat, old, and stupid?
He's worse than a Democrat. Harris wouldn't be blowing up Venezuelan fishermen, after all. But, it could be worse still if we had managed to avoid Trump and then we got a healthy, young, cunning fascist in four years. Trump is actually the lesser evil compared to the fascists that were possible in the next decade.
This fat, old and stupid strongman inspires more loyalty and has a stronger cult of personality than his replacement.
And imma be honest. I think every year not spent under fascists is a good year.
But who knows, maybe this is for the best lol. At least this scared Canada and Australia into not going fascist.
That's my point! He's not going to survive to some hypothetical third term and the next guy won't be able to keep his base.
I personally am of the opinion that voting isn't very important. I think it distracts from real action. I think the way fascists took the state without winning elections like in 2000 and the whole judicial thing makes it pretty obviously pointless. The fact there's nobody to vote for and the 'against' will often surrender or turn even after sorting through the bullshit empty words they all spout makes it incredibly demoralizing.
I can understand why someone who relies on high morale to keep functioning and puts a high value on truth wouldn't consider it worth the chronological and emotional costs.
As someone who occasionally engages in real politics and building actual relationships or mechanisms of coordination that could at least fractionally support me rather than ending my engagement when I choose which abusive parent is going to beat me for the next couple years and pretending one of them loves me–i often come in contact with those people. You shouldn't be so quick to write them off! They could teach you a lot, and you could do a lot to support each other.
If voting didn't matter, conservatives wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail to take it from you. Don't fall for the propaganda.
They're not mutually exclusive. Real world non-electoral politics is going to be necessary to get us out of this mess (especially now), and it also leads to a good and fulfilling life. There's something magic and human that happens with the people around you when you are fighting for something that's actually worth fighting for, I've seen it.
There's absolutely no reason in the world why it needs to be one or the other. Absolutely none. Unless you just like having a much harder challenge to overcome in your day to day activism, wondering if those people who you come into contact with are going to get "deported" or just never seen again.
Meanwhile, a bunch of people stuffed into an ICE facility in Louisiana without lawyers, medical care, edible food, all kinds of stuff, don't give even the tiniest flying fuck whether it was worth the "emotional costs" for you to keep them out of that situation.
It's interesting you bring up the 2000 election, too. That's one of the inflection points where the whole fuckin' world could have been different based on the results of the election.
Fuck i wrote a long post but the site ate it. Apologies for the curtness and lack of nuance in this version.
You need to learn to read to understand rather than confirm if you want to grow. This flat out rewriting of history to soothe your own feelings to scapegoat people you claim are almost on your side for your defeats at the hands of ruthless enemies at the cost of potential allies is not productive. Wishing people who are already engaged–people who I have seen with my own eyes take insane risks to build community and stand up unarmed to unaccountable men with automatic weapons–is absurd and not a good use if your time. If you need to take your feelings out on someone–not a healthy coping mechanism, but I get it–take them out on your actual enemy-unless we're your real enemy.
And you need to learn to work with people who have different skills capacities and values than your own if you want a coalition with any possibility of winning. Whether your model and skill set are closer to zohran mamdani or Alexander berkman, you're not going to be doing any good sowing division.
Allies are not best used as speed bumps–that is tankie shit. Do I need to remind you what happened to the USSR, Mr. Beria?
If you think me telling you my point of view and what's an important tactic to employ, in blunt terms, is "sowing division," I don't know what sort of diverse communities you have worked in before. I have worked together to build something with people very unlike me. I can do okay at it, I had to learn a lot. Presumably, if you work with activists, you're accustomed to it too: Having strong disagreements about things, talking with people who you don't see eye to eye with. Right? Maybe not.
There is a crisis going on right now. I am trying to wake you up to one vital tool to use to try to set a better course in the future, minimize the crisis and bring it to a less dangerous place and recover a better future. Sorry if I hurt your feelings but people are dying right now. All you can see is me in terms of "enemy" because I don't see things like you do, it sounds like, or be upset because I am talking bluntly about this upsetting situation. I would say, take your own advice: You need to learn to read to understand rather than confirm.
I hate how much emphasis is placed on voting relative to everything else–then they ratfuck our guys literally every single time.
You seemed to be going off on it pretty viciously. That is the problem. I think 'you really should. It's not much effort.' Would go a much longer way.
I wasn't even saying my position on the topic. I don't do that since 2016. I was repeating something i had heard, that I specifically stated was not my position. You had an extremely vitriolic reaction. I was suggesting that helps noone but the enemy.
Because they can't do the bare minimum?
Read what i wrote, please.
I did, they’re right; these people can’t do the bare minimum. Plus they look for excuses like blaming the colour of the electorate.
The current leadership reflects those electorates and the participation, in every way. They really did get what they voted for, or didn’t.
Exactly. Not an assassination. I hate that people keep calling it that.
When a Nazi gets killed it's called 'a good job'
Well, until they're out of power you should ideally call it nothing at all and deny it ever happened. I walked past the USC campus this morning and saw kirk alive and well. I don't know what all this hubub is about.
Fascinating. Flip the script for the utter disregard of the truth.
If you see someone stealing bread–no you didn't.
If you see a dead Nazi–no you didn't and in fact you met him in public later that evening.
No no you have to say I'm just saying ....
I've never heard being elected official as a criteria for the term, the dictionary definition of assassination is
"the premeditated act of killing someone suddenly or secretively, especially a prominent person."
And there have been plenty of non-electoral assassinations, including those by (or of) mob figures, journalists, and many others.
Doesn't the act of assassination require that the killer be an assassin? ie someone paid to kill people.
It's only an assassin when they are from the Hashshashin, otherwise it's just sparkling murder.
As an actor John Wilkes Booth killed it in his last role.
It’s still an assassination. The definition is broad enough to include the killing of any public figure by surprise attack.
Looked like an assisted suicide to me.
Nah, he tripped and fell into a fast moving object. Absolute tragic happenstance. Could've happened to any asshole really.
Yeah, I hear people refer to John Lennon's killing as an assassination. He wasn't a politician, just a public figure.
He was more popular than Jesus, so that checks out. I highly doubt Kirk even had a security crew of note. Doesn't have one now, though! 😂 😂 😂
I guess every murder is an assassination to you then? Or only if they are "celebrities"
And you have discovered sarcasm. Assassined!
It was a pyrotechnics accident, is all.
Charlie Kirk is STILL ALIVE! These are Just Crisis ACTORS! DONT let these CriSIs Actors STEAL your freedoms!
Alex Jones can swallow a bunch of draino.
Have you seen what he looks like? Jones chugs that shit like I chug gamersupps.
Yeah the assassination was just a psyops.
🙄
Grok, is that you?
They hadn't programmed grok to lie. It told the truth.
I thought they just skipped that step and hoped nobody noticed?
I love how any time someone clearly has ties to the right-wing they're a "troubled individual."
I haven't encountered many right-wingers who weren't "troubled individuals".
Or at least individuals with very troubling opinions and beliefs.
Dear MAGAts, you killed Charlie Kirk.
Lol.
That they keep trying instead of finding the relationship that do exist says everything you need to know to oppose everything they do.
I'm sure they'll all be fired soon.
Who is trump going to fire over this?
You mean they can't publicly make shit up to fit the narrative
What we saw in the Epstein debacle was their best….
Archive link
If we assume this random YouTube man is credible, and I see no reason to doubt him, the DOJ can't even tie suspected Kirk killer to the actual killing of Charlie Kirk.
I watched that the other day, and he makes some compelling points.
I also think it's very bizarre their constant complaining that the suspect isn't "cooperating."
What is it that they expect him to do? I have a guess, of course. The way it usually works (after the suspect initially agrees to talk with them without a lawyer, creating all kinds of problems for themselves), is that they build the case, and the lawyer who's now in touch with the client finally has a chance to tell them to shut the fuck up going forward. My guess is that they really want him to "cooperate" with building their case for them, and he's not, and that upsets them because it's giving them real problems.
By cooperating, I think they mean confessing.
Damn if they hadn't fired all the competent detectives and interrogators and replaced them with the worst posters–i turned them down, thanks–this kid mightve been so fucked.
Yes they can, and they will find a way lol
Its called making shit up.
They already do. He was living with a trans person so clearly was infected by violent trans terrorism. Whatever that means.
Don't let Disney hear you
Finally a headline that tells the truth.
Its no fun when you can't make a lie stick. For people that really believe you make the truth it must sting when you find out you cant.
Uh oh. Daily beast must be discontinued now.
Oh boy do I need glasses.
Read the title as DOJA CAT Tie Suspected..........
It’s clearly a cover up by the left to protect the left!!!
ZOMG, can we pull The Daily Beast off the air for misleading the American people?
I know plenty people who want healthcare and social safetynets, but who hate brown people, and vote for far right lunatics. Having a single left-ish opinion, doesn't mean all their beliefs fit that. We have no idea wether this person even tolerates other trans-people, or if it was just an exception for someone they love, and felt Charlie was a direct threat to that person.
What I'm saying is, right now we have no idea why this person really did it, what his motives actually were, and what his political allignment really is.
if you discuss how people want to make society better, a large amount of these maga cultists will agree to many progressive, left-wing, reforms being the best way forward. However they will have a single issue that they are willing to throw that all away for. Immigration, racism, misogyny, gun ownership deregulation, etc.
Abortion being nationally illegal, which is primarily a subset of misogyny.
yeah those sweeping ones cover a number of single issue tickets. They can all be categorized as such though.
Being pro trans is neither left nor right.
At a stretch we can label trans as being libertarian, because it's no-one else's fucking business.
The article mentions they can't tie him to any left-wing groups so Trump can crack down on them.
So the right is stuck without any group to go after since he acted independently.
What do you mean without any groups to go after? Obviously they're gonna take down the terrorist cells that caused this by the name of Discord and Steam.
There's been studies that right wingers are the biggest consumers of trans porn.
It explains a lot about why right-wing politicians insist that the very existence of trans people in public is pornographic.
They're outing their own kinks in broad daylight.
He was raised, in a deep red area in a deep red state, in a right-wing, MAGA environment his whole life. That's all he knew from the time he was born. He came from a pro gun / hunter family, deeply entrenched in that culture from what he said in his texts and how he felt responsible for his grandfather's bolt action rifle.
He was stewed in it, forged by it his whole life and those are the values and morality that formed him.
If it maybe had a moment of experimentation or a particular openness at some point in his young twenties doesn't change the facts of his upbringing and what truly formed him to take the actions he did.
Maybe, who gives a fuck who he was connected to? If you are trying to prove that the other side is worse, Ive got some bad news for you. You are both horrible people, who laugh and cheer at the murder and assault of human beings for the crime of not agreeing with you. This will be hard to hear for those of you too balls deep in the culture wars to know any better, but its the truth.
And for the love of all fuck, stop with "the left". There is no left in America. You are ALL right wing. Its just differing degrees of it.
Also, remember that your click bait is telling you he was right wing, and their clickbait is telling them he was woke, and in a relationship with a "man who was transitioning". And so this proves beyond all doubt that he was "left wing". No. Its just all click bait to noise you all up, and get your outrage clicks. You, them, everybody. Click, click, click, get outraged. Click, click, click more.
Not agreeing who should pay the taxes or how we should distribute stuff is fine. I might get a little loud, but I see your point.
Not agreeing how centralized this or that system of coordination made for everyone's benefit should be is another one i might get loud about, but I won't cheer your death.
Not agreeing about whether we should emphasize rail water or electrical infrastructure updates first–as long as you agree we need all three, I'm barely gonna argue.
If you have some radically different vision from mine about what participation in and authorship of society looks like, I might think it's disgusting–but I probably at least want to hear it, you delusional freak.
Not agreeing on who is and isnt a person, who gets bodily autonomy, who gets to participate in society at all, and who dies in the camps–that's fighting words, and your death is cause for celebration.
I cheer for the death of Nazis. Not for people I disagree with.
He didn't want black people to have rights, and thought they were unqualified to be in any position of power. He thought women should reject feminism and submit to their husbands. He spread COVID and vaccine misinformation. He denied climate change.
That's not disagreement, that's denial of reality and vocal attempts to subjugate minorities of this country.
But he wasn't just some random delusional idiot, he was a mouthpiece for fascism. And I giggle every single time I see the video of his death when I watch it on my phone.
Fuck that piece of shit. At least he opened a gender neutral bathroom with his fucking grave.
None of that is true. Thats just clickbait headlines getting you all ragey and engaged to make money off you.
He never said he didnt want black people to have rights. He said that the writing of the civil rights act was poor. He said that he understood and supported the purpose, just not how it was written. The reason he gave for this was because it was now being used to overcorrect, and that as a result it was harming white people. Up to you if agree with that statement or not. I personally do and dont. Ive seen examples of it in action, but never enough that its a problem worth rioting about.
Which leads us on to the "unqualified" statement. That was again, misquoted. He was talking about DEI, and how it was influencing hiring practices. Which again, is true. I just dont know how widespread it is to get upset. But you can look to Harvard admissions who put non white applicants above white ones, even though the white ones had better grades. In the UK the Oxford Union will have a new president in 2026. But the problem is that he should never have been there in there first place as he didnt meet the requirements for entry. But hes black, so he gets special treatment. Again in the UK, the RAF was found to be holding back white men so they could promote women and non whites, again, even though they had either performed better or it was their turn in line. This was excused by "positive discrimination.".
You see, the problem with all the hate going around is that its only ever headline deep. The actual facts and nuance of what is being said never gets a look. So people say things like "Kirk said the civil rights act was a mistake" or "He would check pilots credentials if he was black" or "Im ok with people dying for the 2A".
That last one, the context there was about the price we as a society pay to have nice things. The whole quote wasnt limited to the 2A, and included cars. His point was that cars cause 50k deaths every year, but we accept that price so that we can have the convenience of private transport. His point of view was that 2A was needed to protect the citizens of the US from a tyrannical government. And that if the price of that was gun deaths, then he was ok with it, in the same way that people are ok with car deaths. Again, up to you if you what you think of that argument. I disagree, as cars are licensed, people need to train to drive a car and they need to be registered etc etc etc. None of which is true of guns in most places. But the point is, he didnt just say "fuck them kids!" like so many click bait headlines said he did.
Was he a good guy? Dont really know. I didnt really hear much about him before last week. But I am the type of cunt to read, and check facts. And damn near everything said about him last week, was a twisting of the facts. But it sure got everyone riled up didnt it? Kinda like when the right wingers get their click bait telling them that two thirds of trans women are sex offenders. Which is a lie. The actual source of that story was from the UK and was talking about 125 transgender women counted in 2017, 60 of them were convicted of sexual assault, 27 of which was rape. Do you see? This is how they get you all. They put enough truth in the headline to get you all angry, but never enough that you are all actually informed on things that are actually happening.
You all, need to start reading beyond the headline. And start actually verifying what you are being told. For example, a random twitter post screen grabbed to imgur that then gets up loaded to reddit should not be getting more of your trust than a bunch of news sites. But this is world we live in now. And thats why it fucking sucks.