‘Don’t mention Hitler and you’re sweet’: The great March for Australia deception
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It’s pretty telling that the only way they can get support in respectable numbers is by lying about who they are and generally obfuscating the whole thing. It’s not the W they would have everyone believe. But these incels are so terminally online that they think trolling everybody is the same as winning.
That is literally all conservatism has ever been, since inception.
"Hey proles! Turns out the kings and queens were actually really cool. They were better than you. You should worship their inbred asses."
No. Fascists are not the same as conservatives. You can dislike both but it is dangerous to mix them up. People do all the time. Conservatives have fucked up a number of times and thought they were allies against socialism only to lose control and deeply regret it. They have some surface level similarities in attitudes to traditions and social conservative values but that is as far as it goes.
Fascists are looking for a route to absolute power and the complete destruction of democracy. They don't care if you are a conservative, a Christian, an alt-health hippy, or someone who has has had a fight with the family court, tax department or traffic fines. They don't care if you are a union member. It doesn't matter. If you are pissed off and nobody is listening they will promise to help. Because if they can't take power with force they will take it with the votes of the disaffected.
They are planning another rally on Oct 19. Various locations have already announced counter rallies.
It is very important you turn up and bring along friends. If you can't make it, then make sure that other people do. Not just social media posts either.
These Nazi-run rallies are particularly dangerous because the capitalise on a real, valid anger towards our government. If we allow them to grow unchallenged, bigots will continue to be embolded. There were many reports of people being opportunisticly harassed after last rally, so if we don't outnumber them, they'll do that again. If you don't help your community to squash this, it will grow. We're at a great moment where we can still stop this peacefully. Seize this moment while we have it.
Don't just show up, bring along friends. And if you see me handing out fliers for the counter rally, tell me you're bringing along friends! We can all use a smile :)
I would daresay what happened at Camp Sovereignty was a bit more than mere harassment.
Yes but I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to the many smaller cases of individuals or small groups opportunistically harassing people on public transport, in parks, etc., which can easily be prevented just by having more people around to remove that opportunity. Simply attending the counter rally helps.
If we're aiming to prevent an premeditated gang of dozens from going out of their way to terrorise a peaceful camp, we'll need an organised force with fighting experience, or an even larger group able to mobilise rapidly. That's absolutely possible, we saw that Melbourne has the roots for building such a force, but it's a tougher challenge which involves more than just the regular public showing up.
We're not Nazis we're Mazis; it's completely different and only a little exactly the same
What a bunch of mouth breathers
“Well intending people”?
No one that went to those marches was ‘well intentioned’. The people who went to these marches didn’t go because of any reason based in fact. They went because things are shit for the middle and lower class, but it’s easier to blame foreigners than to hold corporations and the rich to account. The people who marched are doughy brained racists, who were stupid enough to go to a rally that fascists attended, and then cheer them on.
Immigration numbers have been on the decline for the last 18 months after the expected post-Covid jump. This is coming from the Australian Bureau of Staristics: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/mar-2025 Immigration is a boost to our economy, and restrictions on the type of workers who are immigrating already exist to boost the workforces that white Australians are leaving fallow.
My aunt went to the local march. My aunt who is married to my uncle, the first generation immigrant. But he obviously doesn’t count because he was born in Ireland. The fascists may have put some things in her head that day, but she went to the march of her own volition.
It was confusing for good reason. As the article explains, and as people here were saying before the rally, the marches were astroturfed by the NSN, from the start. It's unfortunate that so many people bought into their trick, and it's good to see many of the well-intentioned people had the guts to stand up once they realised they were being conned.
The NSN thought they could draw people into their tent by having half of them pretend to be "everyday Aussies" and by appealing to the cookers in the freedom movement, but at the end of the day, even cookers know that Nazis need to be forced out. Good on the people there who tried, but ultimately, anyone who goes to the next March for Australia now that they know the NSN are real, coordinated, dodgy manipulators and welcomed back by the MfA organisers... this time there aren't any excuses.
Did they? Sure, a few of the organisers tried to control things on the day, but almost all of the commentary I have seen (admittedly) online in response from people who attended has been either defence or deflection. My impression is that the overwhelming response was heads in the sand and pretend the neo-Nazis "hijacked" the rallies, even though there was so much evidence right from the start that disproved this argument.
Tom Tanuki had a great video detailing some speakers and attendees standing up to them, along with pointing out their plain clothes stooges manufacturing fake support, starting using the same chants in each state, and their other manipulation tactics. The video has been taken down by a copyright claim (edit: see reply!). I also know a couple of socialists who were present in the rallies to provide updates, who felt the crowd was a 50/50 split for support and rejection when the Nazi speaker got the mic. And after seeing horrible interpretations of the event like that from Red Flag (basically imagining every single person there was a white middle-class lost cause), I emphasise that many people there were tricked and didn't just roll over or use their megaphone like Katters.
But yes. You're right. Head in the sand has been something I've seen plenty of too, and this time they have no "ignorance" excuse. Nazis ran the major rallies. We weren't just calling people 'nazis' as a scary strawman, they were real, they controlled the rallies, and they are planning to do it again.
Here's a mirror of Tom Tanuki's video:
How neo-Nazis captured the March for Australia
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Thank you!