Am I crazy for thinking this is power-tripping?
Got banned from [email protected] for pointing out that it was a big reach to say that wind power is included in the term "solar energy". The mod referenced a temp ban from two years ago? Tried to say I've got a "history" of trolling and harassment, as well that I "doxxed" user DMs which also happened two years ago. I even, at the time, talked with the mod involved and reposted that comment without the DM screenshots. Like I don't have an entirely squeaky clean modlog but it's only a single page over two years? What the fluff? Like it's a two week ban and I could hardly care but jeeze this feels like overreach.
https://slrpnk.net/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=518329
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If you think about it, oil is just rotting plants, and what do plants use to grow? That's right - the sun. Therefore burning oil is solar energy uwu
Seriously tho, even if there was a reasonable argument to be had for "wind = solar" banning someone for discussion about the topic is a certified powertrip clsssic
All the energy comes from the sun. Hydroelectric? Yes it's the sun the one rising that water up so we can use all that energy when it goes down. Nuclear? Those heavy elements only form deep in the stars. Geothermal? The earth would be pretty cold by now if it weren't for that shiny bastard. It's really the only source of low entropy energy the planet has.
Still, including wind power in the term 'solar energy' is a stretch.
Except tidal. That one comes from the moon.
Not even the moon could move that mass of ice the sun keeps liquid. But maybe other substances would form oceans idrk.
Best case they mean the generic green energy
It's not even... Whats the moral valemce if this argument? We're avways away f4om being able to blow up the sun.
A two week ban because you said you think calling wind energy "solar" is a reach?
Yeah, PTB, no question.
Looks like a pretty obvious case of PTB for me...
The reasoning given is even more of a reach than "wind=solar".
It's really not a reach though, wind is created by the sun heating Earth. It's a bit pedantic maybe but it's not a reach, it's direct cause and effect.
It's not a reach to say something that is technically correct. To say something is a reach or a stretch is to imply it is not entirely true or is not precise. The sun literally powers the wind on earth, it is just as much a reach to call a penguin a bird.
You have to go pretty far into pedantry... Which makes it a huge reach.
Its a valid comment to say its a reach, and also extremely valid to say this mod was reaaaaaaaccchhhing with their actions.
No, it's a reach to say something isn't really applicable but it is literal cause and effect. It doesn't fit the vibe, sure but it's not a reach to say that wind is just solar energy, the energy that moves the wind is the sun. Just like if I said if I never eat I will starve it isn't a reach but if I say I haven't eaten so I will starve is a reach.
You might not like it but it is technically correct.
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I guess that means wave power is actually Lunar energy as well then 🤔
I might be mistaken here but I'm pretty sure the tide is lunar pull but the waves are formed by wind.
def power trip
Oh snap I commented on that post! Literally every comment on it has been people pointing that out, I had a whole conversation with the OP being annoyed that people are focusing on that instead of the article itself (which IS fair from OPs side and understandably annoying), but that just highlights how stupid it is for a mod to ban you for it. Also shows arbitrary moderation that no one else got banned, dude had it in for you, definitely a PTB.
Pretty sure the OP was the one that banned me. They're a mod in that community and it seemed too fast to be the other one.
Huh, maybe they were quick to get frustrated but failed to realize that would be the majority opinion, lol.
PTB! The moderator of ![email protected] also has a history of power-tripping.
Looks like comment restored now?
Huh, yeah. Still banned though...
@[email protected] @[email protected] If the comment removal was an overstep, wasn't the ban too?
Wait, how did you have the mod details?
Admins can see who makes decisions in the base Lemmy UI
That being said, Tesseract will show the mods for each decision: https://tesseract.dubvee.org/search
PTB, even if there was a reasonable argument for “Wind = Solar”, banning someone for that is not reasonable
When you make a post about a ban a comment like this feels a little disingenuous.
I agree with the mod that wind should be counted as solar since ultimately it is derived from the sun's solar energy hitting the earth. Really though we should just call them renewable energy sources.
I also agree with you though, that doesn't seem like a comment worthy of a ban. I'd just wait the two weeks and not sweat it.
Like another poster said, oil is rotten plants, which grew from solar energy, so oil=solar.
Nuclear power plants run on uranium. Uranium is produced during the merging of neutron stars. So nuclear=solar.
Should we just say that all energy is solar? Or maybe we can just agree on some high-level categories to help differentiate between different concepts to make discussing them less confusing?
No, wind gets a pass because it is literally just recovering solar energy from the planet being heated by the sun. So it's solar energy. There are no chemical steps involved to get to the energy and it's renewable. When did I say that we shouldn't have high level categories to help differentiate between concepts? I only said that I believe wind should be considered solar energy because it is. The other types you're referring to are many steps removed from just plain old energy transfer.
Well I, for one, will refuse to call them solar turbines.
Idk. Differentiating between physics and chemistry is kind of problematic. That turns solar, wind, geothermal and hydro into solar. But biomass for example is exempt since that one might grow plants with the sun but then uses chemistry. Likely entire photosynthesis doesn't count. Also charging EVs with solar, and some forms of storage magically turn the energy into non-solar due to the chemical batteries. (Same with hydrogen/fuel cells.) And it's debatable whether chemistry isn't just physics to begin with, as the distinction is fairly arbitrary...
Hydroelectric is also solar because the hydrologic cycle is dependent on solar evaporation of water to create rain clouds:
Next up on Seven Degrees of Solar Energy...
I think a large part of what this comm is for, is warning other users that a PTB exists in the first place. I'm a bit annoyed, but I can cope with the ban, it's no skin off my back.
So oil is solar energy too. From sun to plant to oil. Boom. Solar.
There are chemical processes involved in that. Wind is just the sun heating up rocks and oceans and air.
Isn’t heating things up a chemical process?
Not a physicist, but from my half-remembered high-school understanding: not always, it depends. A chemical process by definition requires a change in molecular configuration which doesn't necessarily happen with any temperature change. It can happen, like in distillation for example, but for each element or molecule there are areas on the temperature/pressure scale that won't trigger any chemical processes, only physical ones.
No, heat is just energy transfer.
Wind is a chemical.
Idk by that definition we animal are all solar powered.