It's actually easy to dodge their enshittification with atproto.
If you get banned on mastodon, you can't move your followers to another server, but on bluesky you can get your rotation key and move them permissionlessly.
Alternate appviews can dodge shit decisions (like the OSA id thing), without you needing to make a new account or move servers.
I don't know that the name had anything to do with it, but it definitely is a BlueMAGA watering hole with all the vibes of a portapotty after a 3-day festival in high summer.
I think he has written about some of the better technical aspects of ATproto vs ActivityPub, but the one thing holding it back was how hard/expensive it was to host. Now apparently that final hurdle has been resolved.
(NOTE: I am not an expert, just trying to recall from a little reading elsewhere)
Now apparently that final hurdle has been resolved.
He says so in this article, but afaik you won't get a full bluesky node, just parts of it. So it's not fully decentralized. But you're not under their TOS apparently.
The good news here is that Bluesky has made enormous progress in true federation. The cost of operating a full Bluesky stack has fallen from tens of millions of dollars per year to tens of dollars per month
Great!
But Bluesky, the company, still needs serious work.
As things stand, Bluesky has very bad terms of service that every user who creates an account has to subject themselves to. In particular, Bluesky's ToS contain a "binding arbitration" waiver that forces users to surrender the right to sue Bluesky no matter how the company harms them. This is so pro-enshittificatory, it's like a landing strip for the sole use of Enshittification Airlines, which can land a 747 full of enshittfying nonsense on Bluesky's users every 10 minutes, around the clock, without worrying about any legal repercussions.
This is less great.
Edit: Wait, what?
The new waiver says that you don't have to arbitrate for "claims that fraud, criminal misconduct, or gross negligence by Bluesky caused death or personal injury." That sounds good! It also sounds like everything that someone might sue Bluesky for, leaving me to wonder what Bluesky will make you arbitrate for.
What's more, if the point of a binding arbitration waiver is to reduce nuisance suits and threats, this completely nullifies that tactic, because all a nuisance litigant has to do is claim that they are suing because of "fraud, criminal misconduct, or gross negligence," and Bluesky is back in court.
Definitely important to look at, but also pretty industry standard. These texts are legal protections so they cover literally everything, even if a lot of those wouldn't hold in court.
I said months ago, on Bluesky no less, that it would eventually travel down the same route Twitter did. Said enjoy it while it lasts but eventually it's inevitable that bluesky will just be twitter from years ago. And they're traveling that route in record time.
Bluesky speedrunning enshittification.
It's actually easy to dodge their enshittification with atproto.
If you get banned on mastodon, you can't move your followers to another server, but on bluesky you can get your rotation key and move them permissionlessly.
Alternate appviews can dodge shit decisions (like the OSA id thing), without you needing to make a new account or move servers.
Are there any other instances of BS though? My understanding was that it's too costly to host so there's only the official one
It's gotten cheaper.
deer.social is an alt-client. app.wafrn.net is an alt-pds and appview.
Oh sweet that's great to hear!
This actually depends. Mastodon has several ways of 'banning' a users, and apparently 'frozen' users can migrate their followers.
Sure, but admins still have the power to make it impossible for you to migrate, whereas bluesky does not.
I mean those followers wouldn't mean much if Bluesky stopped indexing your profile though, unless they also jumped to an alternative relay.
I don't want to labour this point too much, I generally agree with you that Bluesky handles this better and it's the direction fedi should be heading.
That's a fault of everyone using bluesky's infrastucture, the same could happen on the fediverse.
That's the biggest problem rn imo.
I mean the name alone was a nail in the coffin. Bluesky for blue MAGA.
I don't know that the name had anything to do with it, but it definitely is a BlueMAGA watering hole with all the vibes of a portapotty after a 3-day festival in high summer.
It was just a joke considering both have blue in their name.
Bluesky became the liberal part of twitter. I mean quite literally most users come from there. It was doomed from the start with that.
Can someone please explain?
Cory Doctorow on new Bluesky TOS
Interesting that he's so optimistic about bluesky vs mastodon
I think he has written about some of the better technical aspects of ATproto vs ActivityPub, but the one thing holding it back was how hard/expensive it was to host. Now apparently that final hurdle has been resolved.
(NOTE: I am not an expert, just trying to recall from a little reading elsewhere)
He says so in this article, but afaik you won't get a full bluesky node, just parts of it. So it's not fully decentralized. But you're not under their TOS apparently.
Actually, you can host a full-network relay for $34 a month: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3kwzl7tye6u2y (article by a bluesky engineer).
All the other pieces are self hostable, PDSes are trival to host, and would cost less than $5 a month.
No I think they still have control over the decentralized identifiers, ironically
https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
Also: a lot of stuff from that article isn't really accurate anymore.
You can use a web did.
But yeah, did:plc is a joke.
Great!
This is less great.
Edit: Wait, what?
I'm more confused now.
Definitely important to look at, but also pretty industry standard. These texts are legal protections so they cover literally everything, even if a lot of those wouldn't hold in court.
Maybe this?
Bluesky rolls out massive revamp to policies and Community Guidelines
So I'm guessing their going to allow more cuckservatives on there huh? It's funny how truth social was never considered too right wing
We need to make mastodon/pixedfed and lemmy easier to understand for the masses
Thanks, I have not kept up with the lore.
Been on mastodon (actually gotosocial but same thing) for a bit now.
I knew at some point blue would get enshitified. Didn't think it would happen so soon though.
What happened this time?
Someone got banned for saying rude things towards JKR.
That bitch has a rotten fish turd for a heart.
For context: jk Rowling
JKR isn't American.
They've got fuckin JKR Rowling on there?? What absolute trash.
Bluesky? More like Blu Spy
*laugh track*
funky slap bass
I said months ago, on Bluesky no less, that it would eventually travel down the same route Twitter did. Said enjoy it while it lasts but eventually it's inevitable that bluesky will just be twitter from years ago. And they're traveling that route in record time.
Your meme templates get more exotic as time goes on.
Bluesky/at protocol is the future. Activepub is going to die . I can gurrentee