Banned from UnpopularOpinions for an unpopular opinion.
Note: I almost exclusively use the Voyager app to read and interact with communities.
Mod: JonsJava Sanction: multi community ban and post removals
A few days ago I created an alternate account to try out PieFed and see how I like it. My first and only post under this account was removed:
However, I checked the modlog in Voyager and didn't see anything there. I thought that maybe it was because I had a new account or something and I got automoderated so I switched to this account since it's older to post.
While I was recreating the post it occurred to me that using "morons" was wrong and probably violated the rules to I updated the post title as well, however it got removed also and this time I could see the modlog entry:
I got the idea to try and pull the modlog from the web version of Lemmy instance (I couldn't find where to check it in PieFed) for my PieFed account and that's where I also saw the same justification: "rage baiting troll".
I also saw that I got banned from the News community for the same reason based of a post in the UnpopularOpinion community.
I reached out to JonsJava directly from the PieFed account to explain what happened and request the bans be lifted hoping to work it out directly. Instead I got another ban on my PieFed account for "ban evasion" though I'm unclear how or where I evaded a ban.
I think it's unfair because it was a misunderstanding/system issue on my part and, as I explained to the mod, this is my legitimate opinion as an American that seems unpopular when I've brought it up in real life.
I didn't ask for the posts to be put back, I didn't even ask for my ban from UnpopularOpinions be lifted on my Lemmy account since this situation has led me to decide I don't want to participate there anyways.
I did ask for my ban to News be lifted since I participate in that community frequently. Instead I got a ban on my PieFed account for an evasion that never happened.
Honestly, at this point I really just want a sanity check over any resolution because this really feels like power tripping to me. I don't really care if the bans get lifted now; it's time to be done with the fediverse for me. I came here during the API issue in Reddit and it seems to me like it's slowly getting worse, probably the fate of all social media as the user base grows.
I would've banned you for posting what's more or less a popular opinion outside of the US.
32% of the population unequivocally proved themselves to be morons in 2024, and then another 36% were indifferent to be seen as that way or not, so I think it's probably fair to assume. The rest of them? They're cool, I guess.
Regardless, your post was bad, and you should feel bad, and that mod was right.
It's a somewhat popular opinion in the US as well.
A ban seems excessive though doesn't it? If it didn't fit, it would be down voted. Let the community make the decision.
If the only thing that comes of this is I didn’t have to scroll past some sort of rage bait post claiming an entire country is full of one type of person, then good, what a worthless post to whine about being banned over. Find something worth saying and maybe people will want to interact with you.
He did and was banned for it.
Edit: I see it touched USians nerves 😂😂😂
Taking into account downvotes it is definitely unpopular. Furthermore, facts cannot be insulting.
In this case however we are dealing with a simple truth - substantial number of USians are utter morons. Including mod in question.
I mean I live in the US and I agree.
PTB. Not sure why this would be assumed to be trolling unless there’s more information missing here?
In my opinion, “trolling” should not be used as a ban excuse at all. It requires an assessment of a user’s intentions and internal mental state. Which mods have proven completely incapable of making accurately.
I suppose they are frustrated because they see so many posts all day that are nothing but people calling other people names. Nothing would deteriorate a discussion faster than people just calling other people morons and adding nothing more. Imagine what the comment section would be like if all the many many many comments like yours were allowed to post. Just a bunch of posts calling other people names. Nobody would want to use the community any longer.
I think they just have no more patience. Their rules are clear about what behavior they will accept.
Should you be given a second chance? I think this is the central question. That's up to them and their policies, and it appears they do not allow second chances.
BPR. Assuming the offending post was really posted to [email protected] (it's not completely clear from your write-up).
In this case I'm not sure it has much to do with power-tripping. It's more a pertinent confirmation of your unpopular opinion!
What I've learned from my run-ins with mods (and indeed non-mods) is that most people here have a lower tolerance for contradiction than I would have guessed. It must be generational too. We know from the sociology that Gen Z simply has a different attitude to speech - and speech policing. I've had to take this into account in my contributions. Alas.
It's because people expect life to be an online algorithm like Insta, Snap, TikTok, that they can curate and change easily, and so when life isn't pleasant or what they want in that moment, they lose control and freak out. Anyone getting mad about "trauma dumping," when people are simply sharing their lives is a prime example of this. It IS trauma dumping to graphically discuss and relive your childhood abuse randomly one day, it is not trauma dumping to simply say, "Abuse from my childhood is bothering me today."
What you mean is that substantial number of mods are censoring fucks, incapable of accepting someone else's point of view. I second that, especially on .world
PBT. Some USian mods have their nickers in the twist straight away once they see opinions about themselves.
I truly wish for an old style forum that doesn't have bots on it.
PTB, but only for banning you from an unrelated community.
I do think your original post was low quality (unless you elaborated a lot more in the post body), but at best, that warrants a removal with a warning. When you reposted it from another account, the mod probably didn't even notice it was technically from a different user and banned you for being a repeat offender. But you did post it twice even if it was across different accounts, so both deserve the ban. Also, ban evasion is sufficient reason to ban alts in general.
Removing the word "morons" doesn't change anything significant about the post. If you thought that was the only problem, you should have asked the mod before posting again. Both versions are basically just insulting a large group if people. I expect most comments would probably be people either piling on insults or calling you ignorant. A mod could fairly classify that as "bait".
For a higher quality post, you should focus on criticizing a behavior rather than people as a whole, and probably include an idea about something actionable to change. For example: "Many US voters primarily vote to virtue signal, so we should require a test before allowing someone to vote". There you would have something more precise that many people might agree is an issue and propose a solution that is actually unpopular. You can then open up discussion to the legitimacy of your claim, alternative solutions, concerns about your solution, or what would be fair in the test.
That being said, banning you from News isn't justified. I could see a proactive ban making sense if they thought you were a bot or something, but not for a real person unless you were basically doing something seriously illegal like spreading CP.
How are facts insulting now?
Just like all the other posts whinging about getting banned / posts removed, nobody cares.