Now personally I think we have the word takie pretty well defined in our rules and have no intention of changing it. Fuck tankies, they don't belong here.
I didn't write fuck commies, or fuck libtards, (I am a vocal socialist and very far left) or anything like that, the banner is specifically about pro-auth dictator-worshipping tankies.
some people want to post here but are repelled by "fuck tankies?"
good.
that is the intended functionality of the banner.
Generally speaking, people
offended by this are either:
libs that dont understand the distinction
between tankie and communist or have been misinformed by tankies on what its supposed to mean, but are pro communism(wierd combination?)
the "CCCP did nothing wrong" people
maybe having something leftist in the banner or some place like that could help the former, but I wouldnt remove the message, as it acts as a soft filter for the latter.
Drawing a comparison to the use of "woke" is fucking hilarious. Only one of those terms is actually an insult, and the insinuation that both of those terms are the same says a lot about their perspective.
The fact they feel the phrase fuck tankies is acting as a barrier to their participation in 196 should be a wake up call for them to examine their political views.
Unlike their use of the word liberal, which they use to refer to everyone to the right of them on the political spectrum, we are using the word tankie for a single specific group. Tankie means authoritarian communist. Please keep the sign.
Yeah, definitely not. "Tankie" isn't some mostly meaningless word like "woke", it's a very specific belief in authoritarian self-declared, so-called "communist" states (USSR, China, North Korea, et al).
They claim to be for revolution and then turn around and give 100% blind obedience to the newly installed leaders. Pointing out their immense power or bad actions gets you called brainwashed, a reactionary, or counter-revolutionary. They win gold in mental gymnastics in regards to how the new ruling class totally doesn't count as a ruling class, how the state doesn't count as a state, how the money doesn't count as money, and how it's still communism even though not a single one of those prerequisites has ever been met.
They don't take down systems of oppression, they replace them and refuse to believe it isn't the greatest idea anyone's ever had. Here's a hint: if your "revolutionary" party demands absolute loyalty, they probably aren't as great as they say.
I totally agree with your definition here, but I'd add there are some on the right who use this term to describe and dismiss almost anyone on the left. The right consistently wages war on language, co-opting words with existing definitions and changing them to suit their agenda. "Woke" is one example of this, as is "critical race theory."
I don't think I've ever seen a mainstream right wing talking head say "tankie" and frankly I'd be impressed if they even admitted they knew the difference between the various factions of the left instead of grouping them all together. Seriously, "liberal" and "Marxist" are completely interchangeable in right rhetoric.
Imagine simping for a genocidal Russia with their homophobic and transphobic laws and still wanting to post on 196. Good on you for keeping the banner up. Fuck tankies.
They, and their Lemmygrad bretheren, can fuck right off. When they're not minimising atrocities, they're writing absolute fucking treatsies on communist theory, and in general, acting like insufferable twats.
I think all instances should block the tankies treat them the same as you would alt right because really there no different they both support facist ideologies
It's telling they fellt the need to defederate first.
They need to controll their narrative, otherwise their views might get challenged and their tankie idiology starts to crumble.
I am for left unity, but tankies always try to strongarm the discussion and don't really argue on good faith. They don't respect any idiology other then theirs.
Probably the best outcome, even if it's a pity losing their more reasonable users.
To be clear, what I asked for, was that the direct contents of a DM not be shared without the other parties permission. You can absolutely summarise the contents of the discussion.
Oh boy, more of Moss starting shit. This is literally bait that doesn't actually communicate anything, along with communicating something you never actually said. Moss, quit with the shitty bait posts and ableist slurs, you are a drama starter in your own community and it isn't appreciated. Malicious compliance towards Ada is a dick move.
Shoot I didn't mean to start any shit with ada. I didn't have time for a whole write up this morning the scribbled image was all I had time to do during my commute. I think it's coming off as a lot dickier than I meant to
Posting a blacked out screenshot and saying "Ada made me do it" is just weird. You didn't even leave a description. All we see is that you got a DM and there are a bunch of scribbles over it, this is a nothing burger. It being pinned to the top of the community is weird. If you had posted the actual screenshot and made an actual point to what they said and didn't use slurs that insult my child, I'd feel a tad different. But as it stands, this really feels like drama seeking behavior. There is no argument being made, it's just directing people towards Hexbear.
This is the kind of thing that Chapo got banned from Reddit over, the exact event that created Hexbear. If you don't like Hexbear, that's fine. They are generally drama starters, I don't support defederation but I understand why it's being talked about. But you can't call their users slurs, provide no context to what they said, and expect anybody in what is a safe space to be okay with it. It is literally the same thing that makes us discuss defederation with Hexbear, except they don't use slurs.
Okay couple things here, some of which are legitimate criticism, and some of which are just straight up ignoring the fact that they've been resolved. I'll respond in order. One: the screenshot. Originally, I had a screenshot of the DM, with the intention of people responding to it as a sort of survey. Ada removed the post, and asked me not to post private messages, so I quickly scribbled out the DM in the 3 minutes of free time I had to check my phone and left for a good 8 hours or so. Now that I'm back, I have not had adequate time to create a write-up of what the DM said, as I've been too busy trying to put out the fires I inadvertently caused. I have also already unpinned the post from the community, as it was only pinned while I was deciding how to respond to the hexbear admin. Secondly, the slurs. Whether or not I should have used a word derived from a slur is besides the point, because after people corrected me I edited the post accordingly. I have already resolved this, and corrected my behavior so there's really no reason to continue fighting about it. I've also never called anyone slurs! I used a semi-slur in an extreme hypothetical example of what I wasn't saying that is used by the right as a catch-all insult for anyone slightly left of center. What you're accusing me of I miles off the mark for what originally happened. also wtf is a chapo
I'm more just explaining what things look like because (just like that chaser thread) this is a giant lightning rod of drama. I'm just very hurt that the 196 mod team would be okay using language that degrades my child like calling someone braindead for standing against ableism. You can't be pissy with me for calling out disappointing behavior, I don't see all your edits and comments at any given time. You changed things, I didn't know that. The defed thread needs to be the end of this conversation on the instance as a whole.
ChapoTrapHouse is a podcast. They used to have a subreddit until they were banned from Reddit. Not because they were leftists like they claim, but because they just loved starting shit with other communities. It wasn't intentional, it was just a big community and mods made dumbass posts without thinking about it and all of a sudden threads were Chapo threads. They did the Reddit migration years before we did. I was around for when Hexbear was on Reddit, these are literally the things that got Chapo banned from Reddit and lead to the creation of Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and Lemmy.ml. We can't bash them for their brigading while commiting the exact sins they commit that make them so difficult to federate with
Why? That doesnt make any sense. As soon as you post or DM anyone that is out in the world. If you cannot trust a party to not share your messages if you dont want them shared then dont send them. But it is the freedom of the individual to share what has been said to them. Summarizing muddies the water. Asking for this is grotesque.
DMs are by definition not public.
Privacy is respect, and starting a discussion rsther than posting a screenshot of a DM would show that Moss respects the request.
Basically, it shows tact and leadershio ability. Posting DM's shows a skill issue.
Counterpoint: the social contract.
Basically I think just because you could publicize information that is currently private - doesn't mean it's the BEST card to play.
I think it's reasonable to want to have a space that's free from people that defend authoritarian regimes. From my perspective, at least, 196 has always been a more anarchist-oriented space, and I think it makes sense to try to preserve that.
I'd also make the distinction that they are not banned from this forum, in the same way that libs are not banned from posting on their instance -- but those that post there are generally met with hostility, and that preserves the character of their space. I don't see why we shouldn't do the same.
Not to mention that this sub is unapologetically pro LGBT while practically every authoritarian government (including particularly those that tankies support) has been anti LGBT. eg, China prohibits same sex marriage and adoption, while forcing trans people to get permission from their family to transition (spoiler alert: they ain't progressive).
Democratic socialism with actual equality for all (which goes hand in hand with the root issue socialism is supposed to solve) makes sense and is reasonable. But that's not what tankies support. They're defined by support for authoritarian states that have nothing to do with equality except pretending that they care about it.
Or how LGBT relationships and "sissy-men" get censored out the wazzoo in popular Chinese Media and on social media.
Fun fact my mainland Chinese friends started saying "this humiliates China" without any other context on their social media because they weren't even allowed to say they were lonely during lock downs due to censors.
So should we who practice anarchism not be allowed because we don’t believe in Demsoc rhetoric? To me, most proposed demsoc systems would still be inherently authoritarian, as all states are. Especially by so empowering a state by giving it ownership of property instead of collective and direct control by the population.
Am I not allowed because I think electoral politics are inherently anti-democratic and states serve primarily to create and protect the rich from the poor?
Your appeal to democratic socialism as if it were common sense is concerning, because it reflects a lack of will to even entertain other perspectives.
Based just on what's in this post and not knowing much history about it, I'm where you are right now too. If their concern is "tankie" includes unobjectionable stuff, we can at least give them the opportunity to give us some examples to make their point. If they can come up with stuff that we agree often gets the "tankie" label applied to it but is actually consistent with this instance's core principles, then we should hear them out. But if they are like "well, CCP is actually based," then no thanks.
I'm an Eastern European leftie whose peasant ancestors (not all of them, obviously) suffered through famine, unspeakable state-sanctioned violence and extended prison terms during Stalinism and through decades of opression afterwards. The intergenerational trauma is something we're all still struggling with. I cannot bear to hear the "Well, you need to break some eggs in order to make omelette"-type of negationist twaddle and each day is a reminder of how the authoritarian postwar regimes have made it damn near impossible to resurrect the Left in the region. Don't just fuck tankies, feed them rancid cum only.
This seems a little.... dramatic, however. Please take care of yourself - I know how drama can be and if you are anything like me the urge to reply ASAP can cause anxiety and stress and taking time to breathe may be helpful. Especially with tankies and a more general variety of internet folks who can make people feel the need to constantly watch anything you say cus they tend to pick up on some tiny thing and run with it or engage in bad faith :/ nya
Moss don't be leaking DM's in the future. You need to be tactical to be socially responsible. You could ask us - should we remove the banner? Or make a post saying that it may be upsetting Hexbears. I think the sentiment would have gone absolutely the same without showing your cards.
I want less politics in my feed and I'm tired of their veiled attempt to put more in mine
::: spoiler (which includes politics from this community)
I came here for memes that are positive LGBTQ, not memes that are negative against other people (by politics, I mean negative posts)
Edit:
I should also probably mention that I am not pro-tankie, putin's invasion is a horrifying massacre and should be treated as such
I suppose there's a struggle in my head between not wanting negative content in my feed, and actively wanting to know about and help with issues, as well as wanting to address those working against what I care about (i.e. tankies)
:::
"Tankies" is used to mean several different things, from the horrible pro-Putin stuff over on lemmygrad to anything left of liberal. I'm reminded of how the right wing of the UK labour party called their sabotage of Corbyn "Trot hunting"
Now personally I think we have the word takie pretty well defined in our rules and have no intention of changing it. Fuck tankies, they don't belong here.
I didn't write fuck commies, or fuck libtards, (I am a vocal socialist and very far left) or anything like that, the banner is specifically about pro-auth dictator-worshipping tankies.
Being called a liberal is insulting enough. Most liberals will identify as progressives.
Ok yes I'm not calling anyone a liberal though
I stand corrected.
some people want to post here but are repelled by "fuck tankies?"
good.
that is the intended functionality of the banner.
Generally speaking, people offended by this are either:
libs that dont understand the distinction between tankie and communist or have been misinformed by tankies on what its supposed to mean, but are pro communism(wierd combination?)
the "CCCP did nothing wrong" people
maybe having something leftist in the banner or some place like that could help the former, but I wouldnt remove the message, as it acts as a soft filter for the latter.
Tankies mad they're being called tankies?
Drawing a comparison to the use of "woke" is fucking hilarious. Only one of those terms is actually an insult, and the insinuation that both of those terms are the same says a lot about their perspective.
yeah. fuck tankies. that's the thoughts.
The fact they feel the phrase fuck tankies is acting as a barrier to their participation in 196 should be a wake up call for them to examine their political views.
Unlike their use of the word liberal, which they use to refer to everyone to the right of them on the political spectrum, we are using the word tankie for a single specific group. Tankie means authoritarian communist. Please keep the sign.
There is no one to the right of authoritarians who want to silence dissent and use violence to right the inequalities in society.
Yeah, definitely not. "Tankie" isn't some mostly meaningless word like "woke", it's a very specific belief in authoritarian self-declared, so-called "communist" states (USSR, China, North Korea, et al).
They claim to be for revolution and then turn around and give 100% blind obedience to the newly installed leaders. Pointing out their immense power or bad actions gets you called brainwashed, a reactionary, or counter-revolutionary. They win gold in mental gymnastics in regards to how the new ruling class totally doesn't count as a ruling class, how the state doesn't count as a state, how the money doesn't count as money, and how it's still communism even though not a single one of those prerequisites has ever been met.
They don't take down systems of oppression, they replace them and refuse to believe it isn't the greatest idea anyone's ever had. Here's a hint: if your "revolutionary" party demands absolute loyalty, they probably aren't as great as they say.
I totally agree with your definition here, but I'd add there are some on the right who use this term to describe and dismiss almost anyone on the left. The right consistently wages war on language, co-opting words with existing definitions and changing them to suit their agenda. "Woke" is one example of this, as is "critical race theory."
I don't think I've ever seen a mainstream right wing talking head say "tankie" and frankly I'd be impressed if they even admitted they knew the difference between the various factions of the left instead of grouping them all together. Seriously, "liberal" and "Marxist" are completely interchangeable in right rhetoric.
Imagine simping for a genocidal Russia with their homophobic and transphobic laws and still wanting to post on 196. Good on you for keeping the banner up. Fuck tankies.
terf is a slur 🤝 tankies is a slur
the worst people on the internet
I think if a person feels offended by a generic "fuck tankies" in the banner, then that person is probably a tankie. Fuck tankies.
Fuck. Tankies.
but.. but.. BUT THE NUANCES!! :''(
a world without nuance, is a world without meaning for these guys.. you know that.. c'mon..
They, and their Lemmygrad bretheren, can fuck right off. When they're not minimising atrocities, they're writing absolute fucking treatsies on communist theory, and in general, acting like insufferable twats.
They aren't writing treaties, that's too much writing. More like paragraphs on why Stalin is so much better than everyone else.
Just unbelievable really.
I think all instances should block the tankies treat them the same as you would alt right because really there no different they both support facist ideologies
Honestly I agree. Fuck fascists.
Fuck tankies 🖕
Tankies will never be welcome
Yeah no, the last time I saw a discussion with a large percentage of hexbear user's, they were all praising Putin, it wasn't even on 196. So fuck them
Honestly I think we should change our banner.
On the app Jerboa at least it's hard to see that it says fuck tankies, it really should be more clear.
Perhaps having it off to one side, split across both sides, mentioned on both sides, across the bottom 3 times, etc. IDK graphic design is hard.
POST BEF
I'm realizing there's been a serious shortage of Bef being posted here. Someone should get on that.
Well of course
Because if you post Bef, you leave
(also kies)
(also kies)
I must be out of the loop here as I'm having a tough time understanding your comment
Is your comment an initialism of some kind? Or is it a typo?
it's what the banner says in the image you posted
It's telling they fellt the need to defederate first. They need to controll their narrative, otherwise their views might get challenged and their tankie idiology starts to crumble.
I am for left unity, but tankies always try to strongarm the discussion and don't really argue on good faith. They don't respect any idiology other then theirs.
Probably the best outcome, even if it's a pity losing their more reasonable users.
lmao fuck tankies
Tankies deserve to be made fun of
To be clear, what I asked for, was that the direct contents of a DM not be shared without the other parties permission. You can absolutely summarise the contents of the discussion.
Oh boy, more of Moss starting shit. This is literally bait that doesn't actually communicate anything, along with communicating something you never actually said. Moss, quit with the shitty bait posts and ableist slurs, you are a drama starter in your own community and it isn't appreciated. Malicious compliance towards Ada is a dick move.
Shoot I didn't mean to start any shit with ada. I didn't have time for a whole write up this morning the scribbled image was all I had time to do during my commute. I think it's coming off as a lot dickier than I meant to
Posting a blacked out screenshot and saying "Ada made me do it" is just weird. You didn't even leave a description. All we see is that you got a DM and there are a bunch of scribbles over it, this is a nothing burger. It being pinned to the top of the community is weird. If you had posted the actual screenshot and made an actual point to what they said and didn't use slurs that insult my child, I'd feel a tad different. But as it stands, this really feels like drama seeking behavior. There is no argument being made, it's just directing people towards Hexbear.
This is the kind of thing that Chapo got banned from Reddit over, the exact event that created Hexbear. If you don't like Hexbear, that's fine. They are generally drama starters, I don't support defederation but I understand why it's being talked about. But you can't call their users slurs, provide no context to what they said, and expect anybody in what is a safe space to be okay with it. It is literally the same thing that makes us discuss defederation with Hexbear, except they don't use slurs.
Okay couple things here, some of which are legitimate criticism, and some of which are just straight up ignoring the fact that they've been resolved. I'll respond in order. One: the screenshot. Originally, I had a screenshot of the DM, with the intention of people responding to it as a sort of survey. Ada removed the post, and asked me not to post private messages, so I quickly scribbled out the DM in the 3 minutes of free time I had to check my phone and left for a good 8 hours or so. Now that I'm back, I have not had adequate time to create a write-up of what the DM said, as I've been too busy trying to put out the fires I inadvertently caused. I have also already unpinned the post from the community, as it was only pinned while I was deciding how to respond to the hexbear admin. Secondly, the slurs. Whether or not I should have used a word derived from a slur is besides the point, because after people corrected me I edited the post accordingly. I have already resolved this, and corrected my behavior so there's really no reason to continue fighting about it. I've also never called anyone slurs! I used a semi-slur in an extreme hypothetical example of what I wasn't saying that is used by the right as a catch-all insult for anyone slightly left of center. What you're accusing me of I miles off the mark for what originally happened. also wtf is a chapo
I'm sorry for my tone it's been a lot
I'm more just explaining what things look like because (just like that chaser thread) this is a giant lightning rod of drama. I'm just very hurt that the 196 mod team would be okay using language that degrades my child like calling someone braindead for standing against ableism. You can't be pissy with me for calling out disappointing behavior, I don't see all your edits and comments at any given time. You changed things, I didn't know that. The defed thread needs to be the end of this conversation on the instance as a whole.
ChapoTrapHouse is a podcast. They used to have a subreddit until they were banned from Reddit. Not because they were leftists like they claim, but because they just loved starting shit with other communities. It wasn't intentional, it was just a big community and mods made dumbass posts without thinking about it and all of a sudden threads were Chapo threads. They did the Reddit migration years before we did. I was around for when Hexbear was on Reddit, these are literally the things that got Chapo banned from Reddit and lead to the creation of Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and Lemmy.ml. We can't bash them for their brigading while commiting the exact sins they commit that make them so difficult to federate with
Never send something to someone that you want private lol
Why? That doesnt make any sense. As soon as you post or DM anyone that is out in the world. If you cannot trust a party to not share your messages if you dont want them shared then dont send them. But it is the freedom of the individual to share what has been said to them. Summarizing muddies the water. Asking for this is grotesque.
DMs are by definition not public. Privacy is respect, and starting a discussion rsther than posting a screenshot of a DM would show that Moss respects the request. Basically, it shows tact and leadershio ability. Posting DM's shows a skill issue.
Counterpoint: the social contract. Basically I think just because you could publicize information that is currently private - doesn't mean it's the BEST card to play.
Yeah, nah, yeah, FUCK TANKIES
Fuck tankies.
Keep the banner.
Blahaj ain't hexbear, if they want to auth com it up they can do it on their instance - nothing stopping them from making a tankie 196
Fun fact, there's a tankie version of 196 on Lemmygrad
I know because when browsing all I stumbled onto it
I blocked it when I found it
Fuck tankies
I say I have to agree. Leftist infighting is cringe AF. Disagree w/ people all you want, but gatekeeping and name calling is just silly
I think it's reasonable to want to have a space that's free from people that defend authoritarian regimes. From my perspective, at least, 196 has always been a more anarchist-oriented space, and I think it makes sense to try to preserve that.
I'd also make the distinction that they are not banned from this forum, in the same way that libs are not banned from posting on their instance -- but those that post there are generally met with hostility, and that preserves the character of their space. I don't see why we shouldn't do the same.
Not to mention that this sub is unapologetically pro LGBT while practically every authoritarian government (including particularly those that tankies support) has been anti LGBT. eg, China prohibits same sex marriage and adoption, while forcing trans people to get permission from their family to transition (spoiler alert: they ain't progressive).
Democratic socialism with actual equality for all (which goes hand in hand with the root issue socialism is supposed to solve) makes sense and is reasonable. But that's not what tankies support. They're defined by support for authoritarian states that have nothing to do with equality except pretending that they care about it.
Or how LGBT relationships and "sissy-men" get censored out the wazzoo in popular Chinese Media and on social media.
Fun fact my mainland Chinese friends started saying "this humiliates China" without any other context on their social media because they weren't even allowed to say they were lonely during lock downs due to censors.
So should we who practice anarchism not be allowed because we don’t believe in Demsoc rhetoric? To me, most proposed demsoc systems would still be inherently authoritarian, as all states are. Especially by so empowering a state by giving it ownership of property instead of collective and direct control by the population.
Am I not allowed because I think electoral politics are inherently anti-democratic and states serve primarily to create and protect the rich from the poor?
Your appeal to democratic socialism as if it were common sense is concerning, because it reflects a lack of will to even entertain other perspectives.
YUP
Fuck authoritarianism, I don’t care what side of the isle it’s from.
Tolerating putin simps is even more cringe.
Based just on what's in this post and not knowing much history about it, I'm where you are right now too. If their concern is "tankie" includes unobjectionable stuff, we can at least give them the opportunity to give us some examples to make their point. If they can come up with stuff that we agree often gets the "tankie" label applied to it but is actually consistent with this instance's core principles, then we should hear them out. But if they are like "well, CCP is actually based," then no thanks.
Just go to hexbear.net for 5 minutes and you will see that it is full of people going "CCP/Russia/North Korea is based"
I'm an Eastern European leftie whose peasant ancestors (not all of them, obviously) suffered through famine, unspeakable state-sanctioned violence and extended prison terms during Stalinism and through decades of opression afterwards. The intergenerational trauma is something we're all still struggling with. I cannot bear to hear the "Well, you need to break some eggs in order to make omelette"-type of negationist twaddle and each day is a reminder of how the authoritarian postwar regimes have made it damn near impossible to resurrect the Left in the region. Don't just fuck tankies, feed them rancid cum only.
Fuck tankies
I agree with not tolerating tankies.
This seems a little.... dramatic, however. Please take care of yourself - I know how drama can be and if you are anything like me the urge to reply ASAP can cause anxiety and stress and taking time to breathe may be helpful. Especially with tankies and a more general variety of internet folks who can make people feel the need to constantly watch anything you say cus they tend to pick up on some tiny thing and run with it or engage in bad faith :/ nya
Hexbears are depleting their year's supply of copium. Oh, I just remembered: I joined this instance because of Vaush.
Ew Vaush. He's transphobic and racist and a loooot of other things.
Moss don't be leaking DM's in the future. You need to be tactical to be socially responsible. You could ask us - should we remove the banner? Or make a post saying that it may be upsetting Hexbears. I think the sentiment would have gone absolutely the same without showing your cards.
Dude can post anything sent to him
Yeah I agree. Leaking dms was totally the wrong move
Don't listen to that dumbass, post whatever you feel like
I want less politics in my feed and I'm tired of their veiled attempt to put more in mine ::: spoiler (which includes politics from this community) I came here for memes that are positive LGBTQ, not memes that are negative against other people (by politics, I mean negative posts)
Edit:
I should also probably mention that I am not pro-tankie, putin's invasion is a horrifying massacre and should be treated as such
I suppose there's a struggle in my head between not wanting negative content in my feed, and actively wanting to know about and help with issues, as well as wanting to address those working against what I care about (i.e. tankies) :::
Sorry but the reality is that pro-queer content is always going to be intertwined with politics. Especially trans positive stuff.
I feel you on the wanting less political stuff but still wanting to be informed.
Honestly it was the main reason for making multiple accounts on multiple instances for me.
One account subbed to memes, one subbed to news, etc.
I've got a few alt accounts and I'd recommend it so that you can more control news hitting your feed vs memes.
I've tried stuff like that, but the issue is that there are politics/conflict everywhere, even in memes communities
how about you leave our instance with your spam community(that happens to be the only place on blahaj lemmy I've seen blatant transphobia be posted)Edit: remembered the block button exists, also i haven't seen transphobia on 196 since Ada's scolding a few weeks ago
If you see any transphobia pls report it
"Tankies" is used to mean several different things, from the horrible pro-Putin stuff over on lemmygrad to anything left of liberal. I'm reminded of how the right wing of the UK labour party called their sabotage of Corbyn "Trot hunting"
Wtf is going on??
I am confused and out of the loop
Drama drama drama my advice is just skip this one
What the fuck is a tankie?
A person who praises authoritarianism with a communist bend. Think people who like North Korea and it's great leader, but live somewhere like the USA.
Accurate as fuck
An authoritarian leftist.
Fuck communists
Nah fuck tankies
Communists are cool