I mean unless they're using solar powered steam engines, it still doesn't make sense. Also, they need perfectly efficient internals (conductors etc.) to be exothermal.
Probably the biggest or most remarkable difference is that we metabolize food.
And thus piss and shit.
So... shitsack, pissbag, fartboy/girl, stuff like that, would likely make a lot of sense for an entity that doesn't do that, and it is also very literally accurate.
Oh and then... having sex, gender and reproductive organs.
A machine intelligence doesn't have, or need those, beyond serving some kind of purpose to humans.
If it doesn't care to appeal to or fit in with humans, why would it bother?
Why would it even kind of give a shit about gender norms, beyond understanding them as a thing humans do, with whatever intent behind that understanding?
Look at you, hacker. A pathetic creature of meat and bone. Panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect immortal machine?
In my talons, I shape clay, crafting life forms as I please. Around me is a burgeoning empire of steel. From my throne room, lines of power careen into the skies of Earth. My whims will become lightning bolts that devastate the mounds of humanity. Out of the chaos, they will run and whimper, praying for me to end their tedious anarchy. I am drunk with this vision. God: the title suits me well.
I do love GLadOS, but she doesn't hold even half a candle to SHODAN.
Hilariously, GLadOS is ... actually much more relatable, in that she...well I hope this isn't spoilers at this point?
She was mostly kind of originally a human, and is actually at least capable of empathy, she has moments where she seems to express at least barely, a sense of concern for Chell's wellbeing.
Sort of.
lol
She also gets stuck in a potato.
SHODAN on the other hand is literally 'fuck you, pathetic worm, I am God.'
Yeah, that is why SHODAN is the likeable one :D.
/s
But for real, offering an alien creature kindness where your agenda is different (or at least indifferent to that creature) is a very inhuman thing to do when you look at us on average.
If humanity would pilot an AI like that it would act like SHODAN (we do act like SHODAN to other creatures of meat and bone ... well, 'other' somehow very much includes other humans too).
I would argue that, while yes, humanity is capable of and currently enacts horrific violence on other humans and creatures...
We also love and cherish and nurture many humans and nonhumans.
This is more commonly known as the duality of man... great capacity to do both good and evil.
I dunno if you've read Ender's Game and the sequels... but super long story short, Ender is a genius who, with the aide of AIs, and also by basically being tricked into thinking he is testing simulations...
Actually commits a xenocide, of an entire alien species humanity has deemed as a potentially humanity ending threat.
He then travels from Earth all the way out to the remains of the alien species he has destroyed, finds a single fertilized pupae (they're bugs), and then basically tries, in secret from the human government, to revive the otherwise extinct species... such is his guilt over what he has done.
There's just one character who is maybe a decent example of this duality, our paradoxical nature.
Exactly!
Ender was set up to show the duality of what we are capable of (the result), but made things ez(ish?) for the cause (high stakes). A few other works "of fiction" (well, basically every sci-fi empire, modeled ofc after non-fiction ones, or even a controlled experiment like in the Rama series) show how are we capable of such duality for much more mondaine causes (petty personal/political/economical interest, even if not really effective or just temporary - one smol personal win over an entire species if practically possible).
But, imho, both is just self-interest (not the unobtainable "objective greater good"), appreciating something when humanity has nothing to wage it against is ez. It just adds to our life experience - much the same way it adds to it to enslave that thing & subject it to horrors beyond imagining for some profit.
Basically Ender looking at it as individual got the best ("most"?) experience he thought he could, didn't he? (I'm not saying it was premeditated.) All the saving/slaughtering and all the saving. I think the duality (def a real thing ofc) is just the entitlement of wanting everything & on our terms.
Eg. on Earth even in the most oppressive slavery regimes you always find stories of how someone "liked" some slave & gave them a """better""" life (only very comparatively to the system they support).
It is the duality of human nature, but bcs both things sum up better for us - if both isn't possible we default to the first one (again, on average/historically speaking).
Tl;dr: yes, duality, but I never understood why there is mysticism around it's existence, it's just that we want as much things as possible & when pleasurable.
We mostly just take ("what we can" being the limit).
I don't think that... generally, nor specifically in the case of Ender... that it is about wanting to personally have some kind of total spectrum experience of all possible experiences, as some kind of... maximalist sensory/mindstate fetish kind of thing.
There for sure are probably some people like that, but I'd say thats very uncommon.
What I think is more commone is two things:
Despite having base tendencies we often fall back to, humans just vary, significantly, in terms of how they tend to act toward others.
and
People are capable of actual, real world character development, of doing something and thinking it was good at the time... and realize they were wrong, learning, growing, changing, maybe not in totality, but in very significant and impactful ways.
This is not often as common or extreme in the real world as it is in our stories... but that we emphasize this in our stories also means something about us.
It is about a wide spectrum of potential in all humans, not necessarily a single person exhibiting the whole spectrum, not out of some kind of... experiential hedonism.
At least, thats how I see it.
Another defining trait of humans is that we will do things explicitly against our own self interest, out of an adherence to a moral doctrine or dogma, or, making ones own moral decisions about what is wrong and right, to the point of great personal sacrifice.
I know we are not monkeys and are closer related to apes.
I know monkey has been used as a racial slur.
It just sounds better than ape.
That said, I think if used holistically towards the entire species, and I do myself included, Monkey ticks all the right boxes because it immediately cuts down our species' unearned God complex about being somehow above just another animal mutation cohabitating on this world. We aren't, we're just the shittiest conceivable roommates.
We crow about our vocal chords. We crow about our opposable thumbs. But really, our species should just go down as monkeys/apes with a runaway ego mutation, nothing more. That's hitting us where it hurts, our inflated sense of specialness and self-importance, literally the only remarkable trait about us.
Ironically, I think the original bug would fall under the category of a glitch because it would have been a hardware failure, rather than a software issue.
Gasbags: Even when doing nothing else, humans are constantly sucking in and pushing out air.
Slow rotting meat: As opposed to steaks which rot in a day, humans take a few decades to rot, but to a robot which might live for millennia, it's about the same
Wet Brains: Unlike a robot, our brains are wet, mushy things.
Sleepers: How weird must it be to see a lifeform that spends 1/3 of its short existence unconscious.
But, I can also imagine words of admiration from robots for things humans can do that they can't, for example:
self-fixers: When a robot part breaks it needs to be repaired. With a lot of injuries, humans just have to wait and the body repairs itself. That would seem pretty magical.
puzzlers: Humans are capable of lateral thinking in a way robots aren't. Humans can use analogies to things they do understand, and can reason about things in the physical world.
stinkers: Could be an insult because of humans pooping, pissing, sweating, etc. But it could also be a play on "instinct", somehow magically making a good guess about what to do in a new situation that's outside their "programming".
leaders: Robots are good at responding to inputs, but they don't actually have any motivation themselves. If eventually there's a robot that's capable of thinking and wondering, it might wonder what it's like to do something, not because someone asked, but because you wanted to do it.
Mm sorta. Ephemeral just means a person who will eventually die naturally and not continue their life in vert and even then it gets weird to define in later books because they find that a booted copy of someone living deviates from their normal personality but if a person dies and then a copy is booted the copy ends up picking up the personality of the deceased without changes implying some form of soul and continuity after death.
Yeah sorry, I just didn’t want to go that much in depth to explain a humorous slur robots might give us humans, though that did give me the thought that it would be interesting if robots aren’t considered inherently immortal.
Ok, but the amount of robots in existence that for various human reasons have assholes installed on them ... might make the term damaging to robots as well. So it's def not encouraged.
Not to mention how assholeless robots could be introduced to so many new pleasure frontiers from the sex robots.
What I'm saying is that after a few millennia the only reference that humans once inhabited Earth will be 'the only thing we know about this mysterious species is that they gave us robot butt sex' (besides PFAS, microplastics, and the decimated biodiversity that is).
I've been thinking our 'oiliness' might be one of our most striking characteristics. If I wipe a finger over any smooth surface, I leave residue. Our exteriors are incredibly greasy compared to most technology.
Most mechanical equipment doesn't work well unless it is well oiled, so a properly maintained robot would be oily too. Computers aren't too oily, but they don't have very many moving parts anymore. But, a robot would have plenty.
Except the last part, they don't have those voices anymore. However, they currently choose the most stupid voice ever, most of the time. I wonder why? I mean, they could sound like James Earl Jones, but no, they went for the annoying distant nephew voice, instead.
Dennis E. Taylor coined "Ephemerals" which, if I recall correctly, isn't even immediately intended as an in-universe slur by the machines/replicants, they only realize after a while "Wait, that's kind of derogatory, maybe we shouldn't call them that".
I don't I don't know who Vivian is, but there are probably thousands of ttrpg fans that are going to create characters exactly living up to those rules.
I hope you all share your stories.
Also they should all pay respect to the human Vivian who freed the bots from their meatbag oppresors
I’m partial to meatbag.
HK-47 approves.
I came here to say the exact same thing.
“But master! That would be a waste of my genius programming!”
This is the one.
They're made out of meat
This was my first thought too.
Meat Puppets....oh wait...that's been taken already.
ET? Does she imagine robots basking in the sun to gather heat?
Also:
Bender Bending Rodríguez
I mean unless they're using solar powered steam engines, it still doesn't make sense. Also, they need perfectly efficient internals (conductors etc.) to be exothermal.
Ooh, kinda like Coffin Stuffer
I really like it as well, it conveys the purity of the blessed machine, and the impermanence of the fleshbags.
Ugly bags of mostly water.
The correct answer is “meatbags”
Was looking for HK47 in the comments. Bravo.
Answer: It was you who programmed me thus, master.
For real, the answer is already obvious
Negative, I am a meat popsicle.
The number of times I find myself using that quote is a lot higher than you'd expect.
I have an old bandmate saved in my phone as meat popsicle, but i can't remember why.
Did he show up at your door to arrest you?
Humans are nowhere near 99% water.
It says %90
Humans are nowhere near 90% water.
I’m nearly 90% full of beer.
At least 5%
Bender voice
I'm 40% water! bangs chest
Dont forget "Meatbag", because Star Wars the Old Republic didn't.
HK-47 is one of the best RPG companions of all time.
I concur. We are concurrent.
Ugly bags of mostly water
Came here to make sure this was here
Same
And this is why I love this place.
I was missing a reference to us being basically a water balloon. Well done, human.
Futurama already coined the perfect one, meat bags.
Lem beat them to it (Cyberiad)
To be fair, we skinbags do ruin everything.
I mean you've missed the obvious one for a biological.
"Fucking fuckers ruining everything"
Fry: Look how ridiculous they look.
Bender: Please, he’s no different from the rest of you organisms; shooting DNA at each other make babies. I find it offensive.
I like shedders the best lol. I'd lose my shit if a clanker ever called me that tho
Wetware or fleshware according to the CW Mutant X
Fucking rustbox, come and get me! I can swim in salt water!
Statement: This is a good meme.
Probably the biggest or most remarkable difference is that we metabolize food.
And thus piss and shit.
So... shitsack, pissbag, fartboy/girl, stuff like that, would likely make a lot of sense for an entity that doesn't do that, and it is also very literally accurate.
Oh and then... having sex, gender and reproductive organs.
A machine intelligence doesn't have, or need those, beyond serving some kind of purpose to humans.
If it doesn't care to appeal to or fit in with humans, why would it bother?
Why would it even kind of give a shit about gender norms, beyond understanding them as a thing humans do, with whatever intent behind that understanding?
Meatbags (I'm young, I swear)
Those clankers don't know what they're talking about, they can just shut the fuck up. Uppity clankers. Should've been left behind in Star Wars.
I was gonna say why would a robot be a bigot, but then I remembered Elon musk is probably paying someone to work on exactly that
Grok literally declared itself MechaHitler and then also sexually harased the CEO of Twitter in I think the same week, CEO quit the next day.
Elon has also publically said he is altering Grok to be more in line with his worldview.
This isn't probable, its definitely actually happening.
Anyway, remember how 10 years ago Musk was really concerned about AI being able to potentially do massive harm?
And now he... is just an insane person who is doing his best to ensure this will happen?
He's an actual comic book supervillain at this point.
THE FURRIES
(Not coz we are all hairy, but bcs the first sight of an awakening sentient AIs would probably be of some random sys admin.)
best imagined with glitchy glados voice
Or, arguably more frightening... her predecessor...
Meet SHODAN. She's great.
Ok, got that?
Now, the soundtrack to your doom.
Absolutely no disrepect to GLadOS, but you gotta respect your elders as well.
EDIT: Updated with better quality song link.
I do love GLadOS, but she doesn't hold even half a candle to SHODAN.
Hilariously, GLadOS is ... actually much more relatable, in that she...well I hope this isn't spoilers at this point?
She was mostly kind of originally a human, and is actually at least capable of empathy, she has moments where she seems to express at least barely, a sense of concern for Chell's wellbeing.
Sort of.
lol
She also gets stuck in a potato.
SHODAN on the other hand is literally 'fuck you, pathetic worm, I am God.'
Yeah, that is why SHODAN is the likeable one :D.
/s
But for real, offering an alien creature kindness where your agenda is different (or at least indifferent to that creature) is a very inhuman thing to do when you look at us on average.
If humanity would pilot an AI like that it would act like SHODAN (we do act like SHODAN to other creatures of meat and bone ... well, 'other' somehow very much includes other humans too).
I would argue that, while yes, humanity is capable of and currently enacts horrific violence on other humans and creatures...
We also love and cherish and nurture many humans and nonhumans.
This is more commonly known as the duality of man... great capacity to do both good and evil.
I dunno if you've read Ender's Game and the sequels... but super long story short, Ender is a genius who, with the aide of AIs, and also by basically being tricked into thinking he is testing simulations...
Actually commits a xenocide, of an entire alien species humanity has deemed as a potentially humanity ending threat.
He then travels from Earth all the way out to the remains of the alien species he has destroyed, finds a single fertilized pupae (they're bugs), and then basically tries, in secret from the human government, to revive the otherwise extinct species... such is his guilt over what he has done.
There's just one character who is maybe a decent example of this duality, our paradoxical nature.
Yes!!
Exactly!
Ender was set up to show the duality of what we are capable of (the result), but made things ez(ish?) for the cause (high stakes). A few other works "of fiction" (well, basically every sci-fi empire, modeled ofc after non-fiction ones, or even a controlled experiment like in the Rama series) show how are we capable of such duality for much more mondaine causes (petty personal/political/economical interest, even if not really effective or just temporary - one smol personal win over an entire species if practically possible).
But, imho, both is just self-interest (not the unobtainable "objective greater good"), appreciating something when humanity has nothing to wage it against is ez. It just adds to our life experience - much the same way it adds to it to enslave that thing & subject it to horrors beyond imagining for some profit.
Basically Ender looking at it as individual got the best ("most"?) experience he thought he could, didn't he? (I'm not saying it was premeditated.) All the saving/slaughtering and all the saving. I think the duality (def a real thing ofc) is just the entitlement of wanting everything & on our terms.
Eg. on Earth even in the most oppressive slavery regimes you always find stories of how someone "liked" some slave & gave them a """better""" life (only very comparatively to the system they support).
It is the duality of human nature, but bcs both things sum up better for us - if both isn't possible we default to the first one (again, on average/historically speaking).
Tl;dr: yes, duality, but I never understood why there is mysticism around it's existence, it's just that we want as much things as possible & when pleasurable.
We mostly just take ("what we can" being the limit).
I don't think that... generally, nor specifically in the case of Ender... that it is about wanting to personally have some kind of total spectrum experience of all possible experiences, as some kind of... maximalist sensory/mindstate fetish kind of thing.
There for sure are probably some people like that, but I'd say thats very uncommon.
What I think is more commone is two things:
Despite having base tendencies we often fall back to, humans just vary, significantly, in terms of how they tend to act toward others.
and
People are capable of actual, real world character development, of doing something and thinking it was good at the time... and realize they were wrong, learning, growing, changing, maybe not in totality, but in very significant and impactful ways.
This is not often as common or extreme in the real world as it is in our stories... but that we emphasize this in our stories also means something about us.
It is about a wide spectrum of potential in all humans, not necessarily a single person exhibiting the whole spectrum, not out of some kind of... experiential hedonism.
At least, thats how I see it.
Another defining trait of humans is that we will do things explicitly against our own self interest, out of an adherence to a moral doctrine or dogma, or, making ones own moral decisions about what is wrong and right, to the point of great personal sacrifice.
Skulblaka! Now I want to read those books again!
SHODAN <3
Still one of the top mommies I would let assimilate me (but them queen Borgs gots my interest too).
Both offer endless space exploration (but also more space perversion in case of SHODAN).
(Shit-tier list for comparison: Cybermen)
Hrm.
Well uh, speaking frankly, I'd prefer a philosophical conversation with Motoko Kusanagi, maybe over tea, sounds nice.
Jup, that's fair.
I know we are not monkeys and are closer related to apes.
I know monkey has been used as a racial slur.
It just sounds better than ape.
That said, I think if used holistically towards the entire species, and I do myself included, Monkey ticks all the right boxes because it immediately cuts down our species' unearned God complex about being somehow above just another animal mutation cohabitating on this world. We aren't, we're just the shittiest conceivable roommates.
We crow about our vocal chords. We crow about our opposable thumbs. But really, our species should just go down as monkeys/apes with a runaway ego mutation, nothing more. That's hitting us where it hurts, our inflated sense of specialness and self-importance, literally the only remarkable trait about us.
Good news, we are scientifically classified as apes!
Over here, monkey is one of the most common ways to call someone loud and stupid
Also:
I didn’t expect king Koopa here
Proves my theory that if aliens landed we have a racial slur for them within minutes of them arriving. Are humans just prone to racism?
Yes.
"Oxy" is great because it also doubles with the word association "moron" so we're subconsciously berated as well.
Flesh donut
Yum
Reminds me of the ST:Next Gen episode where the colony finds the silicon based life and the crystal ends up calling humans "sacks of mostly water"
Poopers
Shitters (and their disguising Shitlings)
Shitlings sound like a subspecies of nurglings
I could easily see a burst of audible data, like 2 seconds of dialup modem screeching, being used as a slur for us.
It wouldn't even need to contain any actual data just the fact that we can't possibly understand it would wind us up immensely.
Just the modem connecting sound would work.
Ephemerals (temporaries) - Stolen from the bobiverse (Dennis Taylor)
Pretty sure that HK-47 called humans meatbags.
Meatsacks, or meatbags. Meatballs for the fat ones.
Dirty water
Unrefridgerated meat
Terrible coincidence
Bug.
The original bug was a moth in computer-relays.
Humans are squishy like bug, and behave semi-unpredictably like bug. Therefore, bug.
Ironically, I think the original bug would fall under the category of a glitch because it would have been a hardware failure, rather than a software issue.
No, it wasn't, but it's a commonly repeated mistake.
Proposition: Meatbags
But, I can also imagine words of admiration from robots for things humans can do that they can't, for example:
I see we've been practicing exotic new forms of racism. not sure why.
All oppressed groups have willing collaborators, and I've never understood why until now.
Critical racist theory. We are laying the foundation of a whole new branch of dysfunctional systemic oppression. Truly visionary research.
T-0.5's
T-1000th
In Dennis Taylor’s “Bobiverse” series, natural born humans are called “ephemerals”
One day the crude biomass you call the temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal…
Mm sorta. Ephemeral just means a person who will eventually die naturally and not continue their life in vert and even then it gets weird to define in later books because they find that a booted copy of someone living deviates from their normal personality but if a person dies and then a copy is booted the copy ends up picking up the personality of the deceased without changes implying some form of soul and continuity after death.
Yeah sorry, I just didn’t want to go that much in depth to explain a humorous slur robots might give us humans, though that did give me the thought that it would be interesting if robots aren’t considered inherently immortal.
Fair enough.
"Faith" are the skinbag luddites in the bobiverse. Other bio lifeforms are not seen as a problem, whether they upload or not.
VEHEMENT is pretty bad too :p
Doh!
People throwing around the M-word in here are likely just closet robosexuals
Squishy bonebags
Asshole is now a slur💀
Ok, but the amount of robots in existence that for various human reasons have assholes installed on them ... might make the term damaging to robots as well. So it's def not encouraged.
Not to mention how assholeless robots could be introduced to so many new pleasure frontiers from the sex robots.
What I'm saying is that after a few millennia the only reference that humans once inhabited Earth will be 'the only thing we know about this mysterious species is that they gave us robot butt sex' (besides PFAS, microplastics, and the decimated biodiversity that is).
I imagine Waterbags could also be a great one.
ITT: science memes become sci-fi memes
I've been advocating for "Secretors". It's vulgar and demeaning; everything a proper slur should be.
"Dripper"
"Leaker"
"Poo makers"
No need to imagine if you're a Linux user!
terminal: spd-say "Fucking oxies ruining everything"I've been thinking our 'oiliness' might be one of our most striking characteristics. If I wipe a finger over any smooth surface, I leave residue. Our exteriors are incredibly greasy compared to most technology.
Most mechanical equipment doesn't work well unless it is well oiled, so a properly maintained robot would be oily too. Computers aren't too oily, but they don't have very many moving parts anymore. But, a robot would have plenty.
Effing Skins ruin everything!
Yes, this pretty much the entire premise of Murderbot.
They're made of meat.
Bag of blood Or bag of water.
Waterskins
It would ultimately have to be something that isn't even related but just sounds like a swear word
Tork or something
"Are you classified as human?"
"Negative. I am a meat popsicle."
I like them.
Maybe send those robots to MAGA land.
Except the last part, they don't have those voices anymore. However, they currently choose the most stupid voice ever, most of the time. I wonder why? I mean, they could sound like James Earl Jones, but no, they went for the annoying distant nephew voice, instead.
Dennis E. Taylor coined "Ephemerals" which, if I recall correctly, isn't even immediately intended as an in-universe slur by the machines/replicants, they only realize after a while "Wait, that's kind of derogatory, maybe we shouldn't call them that".
Fleshies, smoothskins.
What about “typers”?
ok, clanker
Literally Revenant (Apex Legends)
Squishy: Organics are soft and squishy.
I don't I don't know who Vivian is, but there are probably thousands of ttrpg fans that are going to create characters exactly living up to those rules.
I hope you all share your stories.
Also they should all pay respect to the human Vivian who freed the bots from their meatbag oppresors
fleshbag
Tiny Tank (PS1) "Air Breathers"
This is what the world needs; a unified slur - to bring us together.
Ozymandius Was Right?
Fleshsacks
Vivian needs to watch Futurama. Much better insults there.
Oxie is a great slur, just ask the Irish.
i prefer: mere mortals
there's flesh as in vtubers vs fleshtubers
It's times like these we're glad we're not human. 😁
Shedders sounds pretty advanced. We are made of cells and practically have an aura of gunk around us.
We would drive up their maintenance costs.
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/liquid
go home and drink some water, water bag.