All ideologies are based on ideas from other places. there is no such thing as a completely unique ideology that shares no characteristics with ideologies in other countries.
Nationalists and fashist would be very surprised if they understood results of genetical examination. There is no such thing as pure biological Pole, Italian, German, etc. We have genetic material from many, many places brought by our ancestors. This is why, among others, I consider borders and nations as primitive, obsolete, herd concept believed in by some primitive creatures like fashists. This is why a world revolution is needed.
This is probably because of the Polish pronunciation (I am a Pole, as you comrade probably are) or some unconcious tendency to associate them with shit. Anyway, thank you for the correction, though I am not sure if that will break my habit to call them fashits or similarly :D
I've had liberals in denial when I explain that 'liberal democracy' was a stolen idea from those indigenous to Turtle Island. Possibly from the Iroquois. And that the founders of Western philosophy (e.g. Plato) either plagiarised Africans or simply wrote down what they observed of Africans. Just as European wealth is built on African labour and resources, European culture and thought is built on African minds.
While some of the people caught up in those movements may really be clueless, I don't think that applies to the leaders or actual ideological fascists. At some level they know what they're saying is bullshit but they continue lying to themselves and everyone else because they're invested, similar to this also liberal analysis. That's why you can't just convert these people away from fascism by providing them with the actual facts and context or debunking their claims.
The situation in this meme is not identical to but it reminded me of a recent article in a local newspaper here. The article said that "the biggest act of treason in my country was the giving away of some territories to Italy during world war 2" while conveniently ignoring the fact that my country was at the time a Nazi puppet state eagerly participating in the holocaust. Many libs were praising the article as anti-fascist and were saying that it might bring some people away from fascism by countering the fash claims about a strong pure nation etc. by showing that past fascist leaders didn't really care about the countries territories but this misses the point completely by buying into the fascist/liberal idea of a strong pure nation as something inherently good and a goal to strive towards. This cedes far more ground to fascism than it claims to take away.
Yeah, hahaha, although I actually never played Hollow Knight but my friend was really into it when I was making my account here. As he was showing me the game, I liked the Mr. Mushroom picture so I just decided to use it here.
On the one hand - lol. On the other hand, I've seen this applied to Marxism instead (curiously, almost never to fascism or nationalism). Heck, I've seen folks over at Sino criticize Marxism, because "it's some German guy, we need our OWN, Chinese philosophy!".
On a third hand, I like to use this logic for Christianity and Europe.
probably best to just assume that any attempt to dismiss ideas from other countries due to being “alien”, without any other reasons, is just reactionary scaremongering
Również nie wchodzę na to gówno, nawet kiedy już bardzo brakuje mi memów. Komentarze pod memami są jeszcze gorsze niż same memy. Faszyzm, mizoginia, rasizm, red pill, trad-katolicyzm i wszelkiego rodzaju ściek. 4chan z polską specyfiką. Nie wiem czy przypadkiem nie ten sam właściciel co kwejk.
Teraz rozumiem dlaczego Lemmygrad odstrasza ich jakimiś obrazkami rozwalonych leopardów albo Stalinem, i bardzo dobrze mi z tym, że trzymają się z daleka
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All ideologies are based on ideas from other places. there is no such thing as a completely unique ideology that shares no characteristics with ideologies in other countries.
Nationalists and fashist would be very surprised if they understood results of genetical examination. There is no such thing as pure biological Pole, Italian, German, etc. We have genetic material from many, many places brought by our ancestors. This is why, among others, I consider borders and nations as primitive, obsolete, herd concept believed in by some primitive creatures like fashists. This is why a world revolution is needed.
The way you spell "fascist" makes me read it as fashit which honestly is an improvement.
This is probably because of the Polish pronunciation (I am a Pole, as you comrade probably are) or some unconcious tendency to associate them with shit. Anyway, thank you for the correction, though I am not sure if that will break my habit to call them fashits or similarly :D
I for example always think of fascine when writing about fascism. As in the thing you throw into the swamp and drive tank on it.
Best mnemonic ever :)
Czemu nie dostaje powiadomień za komentarze od ciebie od i PolandIsAStateOfMind?? 😭
Widzę powiadomienia, kiedy kliknę All, czyli te wiadomości są klasyfikowanie, tak jakby już były przeczytane
Ja np. dostałem za te wiadomości powiadomienia, huh
Teraz też dostałem
Nie wiem, i od Was też nie dostaję, choć nic nie grzebałem w ustawieniach
Coś się pewnie pierdoli bo tylu ludzi tutaj się zjechało
4 Polak na Lemmygradzie??? No tego się nie spodziewałem 😁
I've had liberals in denial when I explain that 'liberal democracy' was a stolen idea from those indigenous to Turtle Island. Possibly from the Iroquois. And that the founders of Western philosophy (e.g. Plato) either plagiarised Africans or simply wrote down what they observed of Africans. Just as European wealth is built on African labour and resources, European culture and thought is built on African minds.
Yes, the ancient Greeks built on the cultural capital of Egypt and Mesopotamia, developing it further at best, or simply coping some ideas
Of course, and that meme was made by liberal, but polish fash really are clueless like that.
While some of the people caught up in those movements may really be clueless, I don't think that applies to the leaders or actual ideological fascists. At some level they know what they're saying is bullshit but they continue lying to themselves and everyone else because they're invested, similar to this also liberal analysis. That's why you can't just convert these people away from fascism by providing them with the actual facts and context or debunking their claims.
The situation in this meme is not identical to but it reminded me of a recent article in a local newspaper here. The article said that "the biggest act of treason in my country was the giving away of some territories to Italy during world war 2" while conveniently ignoring the fact that my country was at the time a Nazi puppet state eagerly participating in the holocaust. Many libs were praising the article as anti-fascist and were saying that it might bring some people away from fascism by countering the fash claims about a strong pure nation etc. by showing that past fascist leaders didn't really care about the countries territories but this misses the point completely by buying into the fascist/liberal idea of a strong pure nation as something inherently good and a goal to strive towards. This cedes far more ground to fascism than it claims to take away.
I JUST NOTICED YOU HAVE MR MUSHROOM AS YOUR PFP. MOST BASED LEMMY USER CONFIRMED???
Yeah, hahaha, although I actually never played Hollow Knight but my friend was really into it when I was making my account here. As he was showing me the game, I liked the Mr. Mushroom picture so I just decided to use it here.
yes but a fascist would never comprehend that
On the one hand - lol. On the other hand, I've seen this applied to Marxism instead (curiously, almost never to fascism or nationalism). Heck, I've seen folks over at Sino criticize Marxism, because "it's some German guy, we need our OWN, Chinese philosophy!".
On a third hand, I like to use this logic for Christianity and Europe.
Yeah i seen those too in Poland, although as you can probably guess, Marx was more often pointed out not as a German but as a Jew.
Not surprised. The whole "judeo-bolshevism" crap blossoms ever wider
probably best to just assume that any attempt to dismiss ideas from other countries due to being “alien”, without any other reasons, is just reactionary scaremongering
Sino is usually very good tho, surprised to hear such a nationalist take
Guess I spend too much time there, because I occasionally (more frequently than I'd like) bump into nationalist, or potentially nationalist takes
Well at any rate it’s infinitely better than the majority of China or HK subs, I think there’s one Pro-PRC HK sub that’s pretty good
wait wtf?
ZhuTi with Chinese Characteristics intensifies
hello darkness my old friend...
a dobra dlatego zajechało liberalizmem
Ciesz się że nie jebzdzidy, ostatnio tam byłem lata temu to już się swastyki materializowały w powietrzu XD
Również nie wchodzę na to gówno, nawet kiedy już bardzo brakuje mi memów. Komentarze pod memami są jeszcze gorsze niż same memy. Faszyzm, mizoginia, rasizm, red pill, trad-katolicyzm i wszelkiego rodzaju ściek. 4chan z polską specyfiką. Nie wiem czy przypadkiem nie ten sam właściciel co kwejk.
Najmniej spodziewałem się, żebyś ty był Polakiem mając Honeckera na pfp xD
Co tak nas tutaj dużo 💀
Trzech w tej chwili, to o dwóch więcej polskich ML niż się spodziewałem że może się zebrać w jednym miejscu
Wiesz, ja tu już kiedyś postowałem i pewna polka również ale obaj usuneliśmy konta i głównie się skupiałem na lurkowaniu.
No pamiętam że co najmniej jeden Polak kiedyś był, silvercośtam w nicku chyba?
Nie, to nie ja. Więc było nas więcej niż się wydaje 😳
Haha dobrze się maskuję 😂 no właśnie statystycznie rzecz biorąc, to nas całkiem sporo, przyszedłem tutaj bo nie daje rady z libkami ze szmer.info
Ja z nimi kiedyś gadałem na Matrixie, cytując pewnego ozimskiego biznesmena, "to jest kurwa dramat"
Teraz rozumiem dlaczego Lemmygrad odstrasza ich jakimiś obrazkami rozwalonych leopardów albo Stalinem, i bardzo dobrze mi z tym, że trzymają się z daleka
Mój brat regularnie tam gnije 💀
Gówno jakie przegląda jest poprostu nie do opisania.