Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online
A fringe website featured the purported names and addresses of the Fulton County grand jury that indicted Trump and 18 others for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/names-addresses-grand-jurors-georgia-trump-indictment-posted-online-rcna100239Open linkView original on lemmy.world979
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I looked at the indictment last night and noticed it included the names of the grand jurors. I dropped my head into my hands, knowing this was inevitable. I don't understand why the names weren't reacted.
Georgia law is that grand jurors names are public.
Yeah, pretty naive. Or evil. Maybe both?
It prevents loading the jury to get a specific outcome. That said, it should come with protection or a delay or something.
Not saying it is, but showing me, a regular citizen, these names convinces me the jury wasn't loaded? Does the defendant have no role in Grand jury selection?
No, the defendant doesn’t. This isn’t a trial jury, it’s the Fulton County Grand Jury. The GJ sits for an extended period (maybe a month, someone step in and correct me if I’m wrong) and listens to cases brought by the prosecutor. The GJ job is to decide if the prosecutor has enough of a case to indict. It seems in this case, she did.
Just to clarify, the sitting grand jury does not then sit on the jury for the trial.
That's generally right. In Fulton County they sit for two months. There were two different grand jurys here, though.
There was a Special Grand Jury who met for 8 months and investigated the specific crimes related to the Trump case. They issued a report in January detailing all of the evidence that they heard.
In GA, though, a Special Grand Jury can't issue an indictment. The report was passed to a normal grand jury who heard all of the evidence, then issued the indictment. That grand jury was first seated on July 11th.
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I didn't know that. I wish they had a process for applying to redact, for cases like this :(
Do you in GA whether grand jurors are professionals or pulled in for random jury duty?
Pretty sure grand Jurors are professionals in most if not all common law states.A couple of the peoples titles on the list pointed me towards that they are.
Edit: I'm pretty certain I'm wrong. There's something else I must be confusing it with
There's all kinds of laws like this that are super old, and really harmful in modern life. Like name changes having to be published in the paper, and home ownership being public information. Sorry trans people, if you want to legally change your name, you have to be out to everyone! And don't even think about buying a house if there's someone you don't want knowing where you live, like an abusive family member or ex!
They're left over from times when information was harder to come by, and they absolutely need to be changed, but our governments are bad at legislating for modern problems
Well that is a problem that is fading away.
Maybe for you.
Home and land ownership is public in most countries, it's an important thing to have transparency on.
It is actually! I have a friend who's dad is extremely libertarian (despite having been a marine?), And he bought his house under an LLC for pricacy's sake. I'm sure it would work for less crazy reasons as well
Interesting. I wonder if you could buy a home zoned for single family, sell it to a LLC that you run, then rent it out to two families (if one is your own) since it is now commercial rental.
From what I've read, living in a house you buy yourself makes it lose most of the protection of an LLC, because you have "pierced the corporate veil". All it really ends up doing is protecting your identity
Unfortunately, while you're citing lots of very valid cases of innocent people being victimized, I also think that the trail of information that follows people is very important for systems of justice.
Imagine criminals getting away with white collar crime, having changed their name to make it more difficult for people to publicly scrutinize them.
I can't quite imagine what protections might make sense to keep trans people safe, and it's hard for me to think about which group should be prioritized. Of course, ideally, we'd live in a world where anyone retaliating to someone's gender transition would be headed for a hard time themselves.
In that case our government has failed to do this. Who owns your mortgage? It was repackaged into a mortgage backed security with thousands of owners. Who owns that commercial property that has been sitting idle for thirty years? Owned by nested shell companies.
Another reason why mortgaged backed securities should be criminalized.
Very well. Please pick a property not paid off on your block and tell me every single owner, including people who own a millionth of a percent of it via 401ks. I want names, precents, legal terms that they are operating under, and purchase date(s). I will except CSV format only.
A mortgage backed security is a structured debt derivative contract which is backed by the cash flow of the loan, via the issuing bank. It doesn't actually grant any ownership rights to the underlying asset itself.
Fancy words for it is a share of ownership with an abstraction layer for bailouts.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/homes/black-homeowner-home-appraisal-feseries/index.html
People like this?
No way. How stupid can you be lol
Well, I hope the state is prepared to spend a shitton of money on protecting these people. Trump supporters aren't the most stable of people.
See: FISA
Basically the "kernel of truth" that gave us deep state idiocy.
"we are all domestic terrorists"
Uh, I think those that are inclined have already acknowledged this. The others are very likely a lost cause, if this recent spate of reporting hasn't convinced them that Trump is a freaking manipulator and crook. Where do we go from here? I don't know how so many extremists could possibly just, you know, stop being so extreme. Naively, a civil war could fix the issue, but that is the last thing we need--war is never the answer.
It is crazy that this isn't a United States problem, either. All one has to do is look to Australia, Canada, and the UK to see that fascism is rampant. I'm looking for those brightest minds, because I'm certainly not one of them.
Classy as ever
The instant I saw the word "RIGGERS" in his bitch ass post yesterday, I knew exactly what it actually meant. Just more
dog whistlingfog horn blasting racism from The Cheeto Mussolini. 😡How to get your ass kicked by A/V professionals, 3D animators, and pirates... all in one fell swoop!
Don't forget shipbuilders, pipefitters, and crane operators.
Many navy vets too.
Charge every Republican politician who fails to publicly denounce them as an accessory to whatever crimes get committed against these grand jurors.
Faster. Go to trial faster.
Good old MAGA maggots. They are such a fine bunch of people.
*magats
Ya'll Qaeda
Traitors is my pick, but magats is nice and catchy
Just like maggots thrive in roadkill, America's corpse is being devoured by magats.
They're the same picture
Sadly, predictable.
Equally sad and Equally predictable, this (and the ensuing harrassment) will have the approval of the Republican party.
Can you imagine what kind of world or country we could have if all these MAGA-turds focused their energy on constructive things rather than DEstructive? It's so sad.
Seems like most politicians want us fighting right vs left, rather than bottom vs top. And a scary number of people just eat that shit up
Unfortunately any extremist views and actions seem only to cause harm. If that energy was focused towards more helpful notions we would be in paradise by now.
When someone quite obviously rejects both the electoral system and the legal system unless they work to his advantage, one must surely get the impression that this person simply has no interest in democracy at all.
I'm starting to get the feeling that this guy might not be the best choice for president.
Well, who would have thought that this hypothetical guy, let's call him Tronald Drump, would turn out to be such a menace? Totally unexpected...
Uh, I feel like you're not considering the fact that he has an (R) next to his name? Source: Red states that are near the bottom in every metric for quality-of-life.
Give every single doxxed GJ member secret service protection, and make Trump pay for it.
Even easier: just reassign the guys from his detail to protect those people, until there's nobody left to cover his entourage.
Give the people Trump trusts with his life to the people he likely wants to be silenced? Good idea.
Better yet, redeploy the ones on Trump and put new ones on the threatened!
You know, shuffle the cards around, same impact.
Extremist fascists gonna fascist.
Interesting.
If those were BLM activists, they'd have a SWAT team breaking down their door within minutes of posting this.
Imagine becoming a fed because you want to uphold the law and chase down bad guys, figuring you're going to be tracking down drug dealers and human traffickers and mafia goons, and instead you get tasked with running down Karen and Cletus who decided to firebomb a house based on something they read on RealTruthPatriotNewsDaily-dot-net.
Imagine the briefings with everyone just sitting there with their heads buried in their hands
Just heavy sighing, the sound of liquor being poured into a glass at 9am and every so often, a truly exasperated "fuuuuuuuuuck!"
The FBI agents I feel for are the ones that have to go on sites like 4chan or whatever other social media sites the rightwing thinks is safe.
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Then once a week they finally get Jethro or Jayden the basement dweller.
A guy I work with has a masters in engineering degree, graduated with honors, went to a school that is world known for engineer was telling me how he spent two days sorting out the parts numbering scheme in the database. He has to do it twice because upper management changed their mind after he finished the first time.
Your dreams and mileage may vary.
I mean, if your masters in the database engineering... Kinda goes with the territory...
Mechanical. Also WTF how is that a degree? Who in their goddamn mind would study this!?
RealTruthPatriotNewsDaily-dot-net.ru
Everyone involved in this case should have 24/7 protection. This is probably gonna get messy
Completely normal behavior for peaceful supporters of a law-abiding citizen. Who wouldn’t do some friendly doxxing to support their absolutely innocent leader.
So... What happens next?
Unfortunately, probably someone getting hurt or killed. To the GQP the political violence is a feature, not a bug. I hope I'm wrong.
their final phase is terrorism. we must resist and crush them
Sadly, it reminds me of something I read in a book about a series of event's when a certain person became reelected in europe in the 30s-40s.
Just to be clear, the names of the grand jury members are public. They are written right there on page 9 of the indictment.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/1ccdf52e-1ba2-434c-93f8-2a7020293967.pdf
Right, the fact that they dug up their addresses and posted them is the disturbing part. The article, particularly the headline, is misleading.
Of course the info is public but MAGA isn't reading the indictment. They've already been convinced it's full of lies.
Not surprising knowing the way Trump supporters are now.
It's also a little fascist to tell us what to call people though, right?
Just busting your balls don't worry
Cool story
I'm literally running out of horrific descriptions of Trump & his cult.
I wonder in what ways this will impact the trial. Everyone on the jury knowing that they are supposed to be annoymous but the jury that was not was targeted.
This is the grand jury which made the recommendations to indict. Not the trial jury.
I feel like this should be another charge against Trump. I know he didn't do it, but he was still responsible for this.
Yikes, I hope these people's entire family has some sort of protection. It's normal for them to attempt to kill anyone they don't like.
for a week? Then they are thrown to the wolves. Of course it isn't like the movies where one is some vet special forces guy and he takes out every threat to his home. It is more like some regular person being yelled at by their employer because people are calling and cussing.
Just read up on what happens to regular folks who get doxxed.
We now know at least one trumper can read.
This must be so scary for those jurors. Our legal system and democracy are about (continues) to be tested.
You know what... GOOD.
Not that I want to see it, but time and time and time and time again these right wing fucks have proven that they can't be reasoned with, they can't be trusted and they have zero morals or plans to follow societal norms.... AND YET WE CONTINUE TO TREAT THEM LIKE INNOCENT PEOPLE.
We have been asking for shit like this to happen every time we give a J6th traitor a light sentence or every time Trump or one of his clown supporters tweets some fairly obvious call for violence and we do nothing.
When the fuck is the Left going to wake up and realize that we are at war?
The Right has seen this as a war for a long, long time now. They have been stockpiling weapons, creating closely tied groups and training militias. They are radicalizing the youth. They see this as a life-and-death situation where there will be victims and bloodshed.
What the fuck has the Left done? Written a few memes? A few snarky comments on Twitter? They have treated this as a joke or just business-as-usual when dealing with politics. We give the other side every chance to bully their way into a position of power by constantly compromising on things. And when it comes to punishments, the usual bleeding-heart stereotype comes into play and we give these traitors the lightest of sentences when instead they should be facing the same kind of corporal punishment that they would face in any other country for treason.
The US can not afford to be divided like this right now, but what the hell can you guys do. Fucked situtation, I feel you
Well for one, treat it with the seriousness that it deserves.
That alone would and should change many people's view on this.
This is not that different than when these Republicans ship illegal immigrants to CA or Washington or Boston. It has happened time and time again, and every time Liberals want to play it down in the hopes that it won't happen again. And then it happens again! And this latest time some little kid died because of it. What is it going to take for the Left to take it serious enough to where human trafficking charges are brought up on the people that planned it? Ruin the lives of some of the people who were involved in treating humans like property by getting them inundated with federal charges and endless legal fees. You better believe that when someone might be held liable for helping DeSatan plan a trick, they might think twice. But Liberals in the US are just a bunch of pussies that would rather becomes targets for some gun crazed redneck than ever go on the offensive.
Because of course they did...
Well, this comes as no surprise. Jackasses.
Fuck
Public information?
It's publicly released information. It has to be by GA law
Just another reason why jury systems are stupid
What do you mean?
No idea what that guys beef is, but I've served on a jury for a nasty kidnapping case.
If I'm ever on the wrong side of a court room, the last thing I want is a jury of fucking bigoted idiots deciding anything.
Though, I'm in exactly zero "minority" groups per se, so perhaps I'd be alright anyway. That's a whole other problem with justice though.
You don't need a degree to be able to make an ethical or moral judgment wtf? With money being a major roadblock for education you'd be taking the voices away from a lot of good people whose only mistake is being born too close to the poverty line. That's the exact opposite direction that anything should go in right now lol.
Who would even pick those "panel experts"? Local votes? Local government? Because that's all been pretty shit so far on most fronts and feels like different means to the same end.
I don't know what the solution is but I do know that it's not gonna be any method that inevitably excludes and ostracizes people from participating in part of our legal system based on their income because that is absolutely what it boils down to. If anything I'd say a good direction might be to take cases from small communities that are more likely to hold a bias, consolidate them all under a more unified court system, and go with video court or something so there can be a properly neutral jury that truly has no skin in the game. I'm sure even that has its own major issues that I'm overlooking but at least it doesn't separate people by financial status
This is extra layers of stupid. Grand Jurors aren't made up of random jurors. These people have a job doing this. They are paid to make these decisions.
I mean, I don't expect a MAGA terrorist to know the difference, but if they really don't want a state to have the ability to prosecute crimes, I won't feel bad when they complain about that.
Not sure how it works in Georgia, but that's not true in NY, in fact grand jurors are more random, there's no selection process, just a random lottery
Pretty sure that's how it works everywhere.
yeah I looked it up and you're right. They're usually bigger juries and have just say if the charges can be brought up against the persons accused.
Does anyone have a link to the website? It's not in the article.
Yeah I wanna know. I bet they're protected by cloudflare
Is doxxing not okay now? It's hard to figure out when it's okay and when it's not.
Oh they've always been okay with it. They used to publish the names and addresses of abortion providing doctors and nurses back in the 90s.
Don't worry. Nobody is surprised that it's hard for you to figure out.
So what you're saying is you're OK with some weirdo come to your house harassing you and your family?