I'm struggling to reconcile this with the previous reason given for not releasing the files, that they were a national security risk. So, releasing no evidence would have been a risk to national security after Epstein was dead?
The subtext being that the FBI and Homeland Security lie so much, that if you take everything they say with a grain of salt, you'll be at risk of dying from too much salt.
They say "Take it with a grain of salt." and not "Take it with a grain of Sea Salt.".
So I am just saying - Use black salt for the grains and you get less Na per grain.
Its crazy how Pam Bondi the Attorney General says there was no epstein files client list when a few months ago she said on live tv that she was currently reviewing the epstein files client list
She tried to walk back the comments about the file being on her desk, except she made those comments multiple times on different shows. She promised results within days, then nothing. Suddenly there is no list, and right wing news shows are now even saying Epstein wasn’t a bad guy and was set up
There may never have been a full list, but there was a little black book from 2008 or so. It's a list of names and phone numbers. Donald Trump has four numbers listed.
The problem is, there were also arguably innocent people in that book as well. Epstein was a piece of shit, but he was a piece of shit who liked to give money to charity. He also liked to hang out with smart people, like actual scientists and such.
Just saying that by itself, the black book is fairly weak. Combined with other evidence, and it could be a client list.
You take one piece of evidence, combine it with more evidence, and eventually you have a full case.
The Feds have the back book (and so does the internet, because it was leaked online). The feds also have a lot of video that I personally don't want to see, but it should be enough to connect at least a few names.
The fact that they refuse to connect any names means that Trump is in too many of those videos.
Not exactly true. The FBI opened the safe then left the Manhattan property. Epstein's lawyer then recovered the contents of the safe and delivered it to the FBI a few days later.
Well thats why alex acosta is so highly regarded in conservative circles. Getting epstein to take a deal with zero evidence against him is mind flayer level lawyering.
As soon as Epstein died, it was clear that the public statements about the circumstances surrounding his death was absolutely sketchy. One of the most high-profile people to be held in prison, and they completely botched it?
It was absolutely a coverup. Would not be surprised if the info he would give up would put any presidential hopefuls at the time at risk of winning the election either.
It's known that he and Maxwell would traffic minors to get incriminating video on people so they would become assets of multiple intelligence agencies.
I fear this is becoming a joke, because it is hard to cope with the concept that the leaders of this country (from both parties) as well as very powerful and influential people are literal pedofiles who raped children.
there's a "yes minister" sketch about how to be a politician you can't have a clean criminal record, you must have done corruption case to show you have experience in the system. nowadays that sketch should be about how normalised pedophilia is in the government.
There are too many inconsistencies and coincidental 'mistakes' in the suicide story.
As if the guy who had dirt on a huge part of the rich and powerful of the world, dirt that could absolutely destroy them couldn't get murdered.
Witnesses have been murdered for a lot less.
But no, it's all a conspiracy theory.
There are too many inconsistencies and coincidental ‘mistakes’ in the suicide story.
This is not evidence. It's suspicion. If Epstein was murdered, find some reason to believe that. Otherwise it's just nonsense conspiracy, no different than Q.
And what inconsistencies are you referring to exactly? The fact that a dude who's life was over decided to kill himself? Or maybe it's the complete lack of regard, empathy, and competence of jail staff that you just can't believe exists in America?
LOL you want to hear about the inconsistencies while you say it's "nonsense conspiracy"? fuck that.
Looks like you don't know anything or the details about it yet feel the need to voice an opinion.
Sure it's all coincidence and mistakes, and he is the first of all prisoners to have killed himself in the 8 yaers that facility existed.
Wanna buy an island? It's the one where nothing happened.
What makes more sense? A vast conspiracy to murder a single man in a jail cell, or that single man lying to a psychologist to get pulled from suicide watch, then meeting his lawyer to change his will to fuck over his victims, then killing himself with his recently returned blankets while the guards slept the night away.
Guards who had been sleeping through their shifts for at least a month, likely longer.
Keep in mind that Epstein was in prison for his own sex crimes. Epstein himself, raped children.
I feel that tends to get lost in the whole "child pimp to the powerful".
Epstein had already been attacked by other inmates because Epstein was a pedo in a jail house.
Now, did people benefit from Epstein's death? You bet your ass. I just don't think that anyone is competent enough to pull off a murder for pay without fucking it up. Basically I'm anti-holiwood on this one. Because movies and TV are the only places that shit works.
" lying to a psychologist to get pulled from suicide watch"
He was still on 'heightened watch'.
And OC the guards made many mistakes, and a little unlucky moving other inmates around and plenty more to make it all possible by mistake.
The only suicide in the 8 years this facility exists.
But sure, witnesses or whistleblowers never get killed.
It's all a 'vast conspiracy', right.
In 2017, a journalist named Daphne Caruana Galizia was working on the Panama Papers, and the connection to Maltese businessmen. This angered Yorgen Fenech, a rich asshole who was all over the Panama Papers, so he hired a man named Melvin Theuma to hire Brothers Alfred Degiorgio and George Degiorgio along with their friend Vince Muscat to plant the bomb. They got the bomb from Robert Agius and Jamie Vella.
Notice how I'm actually naming names, because that's how this shit works in reality.
Epstein's guards didn't just "make some mistakes" they were fucking sleeping or playing cell phone games all night and then lying about doing their rounds. This had been going on for at least a month, likely longer. They were certainly not checking in on Epstein every 15 minutes as required by protocol, because again, they were sleeping and lying about it.
And Yes, Epstein had his blankets back, the very blankets he used to kill himself. Because he was a pedo in prison, facing a life of prison rape and constant beatings for being a pedo in prison.
I have no doubt that a bunch of very powerful people were shitting themselves over it all, until Epstein did them the favor of killing himself, for purely selfish reasons that just so happened to help those rich assholes.
There has been evidence against him since the early 2000s that he abused girls and young women. He wiggled his way out of a case in 2008, but he knew it was over this time. It is absolutely thinkable that he killed himself in order to not have to actually go to prison.
In 2008 he was protected by his influential clients. Second time around he was enough of a liability they instead got the evidence suppressed and made sure he couldn't make good on his blackmail threat.
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I can't believe Epstein killed himself right before he was about to be acquitted due to a complete lack of evidence.)
Trump is blackmailing at least one other person on the client list. It's the only way I can make sense of the way they said they were going to release it and then didn't.
Poor Ghislaine Maxwell in prison for sex trafficking to nobody.
Dude, seriously? This is the biggest whoosh I've seen one a good while. How the fuck did you not realise they were making a joke?
That's the premise for a lot of comedy
Tell that to Hisan Minhaj.
You’re having a bad day, huh? That sucks.
You have a hard time spotting sarcasm, don’t you?
What is false?
Yeah but it very clearly is a joke - and one meant to point out how absurd it is to say that no abuse happened at all. No?
Maybe conspiracy theorists need more bait
Whoosh
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I'm struggling to reconcile this with the previous reason given for not releasing the files, that they were a national security risk. So, releasing no evidence would have been a risk to national security after Epstein was dead?
Trump probably collected millions in extortion money from everybody on that list
The government lies.
It doesn't matter when or where you read this, it's always true.
Yes and no. It depends on the part of the government in question.
Take the Government Accountability Office. I pretty much trust anything they put out. The same goes for NASA, and until this year, NOAA.
OSHA also tends to get a pass.
Homeland Security or the FBI? My sodium intake becomes dangerously high.
And that's even before Trump returned to power.
Perhaps switch to black salt?
The expression is, take it with a grain of salt.
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/take-with-a-grain-of-salt.html
The subtext being that the FBI and Homeland Security lie so much, that if you take everything they say with a grain of salt, you'll be at risk of dying from too much salt.
They say "Take it with a grain of salt." and not "Take it with a grain of Sea Salt.".
So I am just saying - Use black salt for the grains and you get less Na per grain.
Black salt is nice, but it's not low in sodium, it's just high in iron.
I am not going to try understanding your reasoning behind saying that nor try to explain ratio and proportions.
Were they a risk because they were dirt on politicians? We could have resolved that by getting rid of those politicians.
Trump is a pedo...
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
Its crazy how Pam Bondi the Attorney General says there was no epstein files client list when a few months ago she said on live tv that she was currently reviewing the epstein files client list
She tried to walk back the comments about the file being on her desk, except she made those comments multiple times on different shows. She promised results within days, then nothing. Suddenly there is no list, and right wing news shows are now even saying Epstein wasn’t a bad guy and was set up
Next itll be that there was no Epstein. He was made up by the Democrats who are secretly in cahoots with China or some shit
It will be technically correct. As in, no one has put all Epstein's client's names together in one group, so there has never been a (master) list.
We know that Prince Andrew is somewhere so there can't be zero clients.
There may never have been a full list, but there was a little black book from 2008 or so. It's a list of names and phone numbers. Donald Trump has four numbers listed.
The problem is, there were also arguably innocent people in that book as well. Epstein was a piece of shit, but he was a piece of shit who liked to give money to charity. He also liked to hang out with smart people, like actual scientists and such.
Just saying that by itself, the black book is fairly weak. Combined with other evidence, and it could be a client list.
That's how investigations normally work.
You take one piece of evidence, combine it with more evidence, and eventually you have a full case.
The Feds have the back book (and so does the internet, because it was leaked online). The feds also have a lot of video that I personally don't want to see, but it should be enough to connect at least a few names.
The fact that they refuse to connect any names means that Trump is in too many of those videos.
It's sketchy but also feasibly explained by incompetence. "Oh yeah I just started on that homework assignment last night" tier of bullshit.
The FBI raided his estate and seized all CCTV video footage. Release the video!
Not exactly true. The FBI opened the safe then left the Manhattan property. Epstein's lawyer then recovered the contents of the safe and delivered it to the FBI a few days later.
Not exactly true, on the news, I personally saw videos of FBI agents walking out with clear bags of video recording equipment and videos.
Exactly true. The FBI agent said officers broke open the safe with a saw, finding the CDs, jewellery, computer hard drives, "loose diamonds", passports and “large amounts of US currency.” They took photographs of the items, but left them at the residence as they did not have the warrant to remove them. When they returned four days later, on July 11, they were no longer there. Agent Maguire, a member of an FBI Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking Task Force, said she then called Richard Kahn, Epstein’s lawyer who now serves as the executor of the later financier’s estate, to ask what happened to the items. “Twenty to thirty minutes after the conversation, Richard Kahn came to the residence and brought them items back in two suitcases,” Agent Maguire said. She could not confirm the content on the returned CDs was the same as the ones that were taken, but confirmed all the items were accounted for.
(Emphasis mine)
The big red flag corruption for me. Why did the FBI open the safe if they knew they weren't allowed to remove its contents.
Oh, I was referring to the St James island residence, not NY.
It would be fun to turn this into a gaussian splat
Was it McAfee?
That's the rumor, mainly due to location. He referenced the videos but never claimed them.
Well thats why alex acosta is so highly regarded in conservative circles. Getting epstein to take a deal with zero evidence against him is mind flayer level lawyering.
As soon as Epstein died, it was clear that the public statements about the circumstances surrounding his death was absolutely sketchy. One of the most high-profile people to be held in prison, and they completely botched it? It was absolutely a coverup. Would not be surprised if the info he would give up would put any presidential hopefuls at the time at risk of winning the election either.
It would have caused international scandals too. I think they had to cover it up… anything to save face of the leadership/the .01%
The leaderships face is not being saved. Epstein was an intelligence honeypot.
It's known that he and Maxwell would traffic minors to get incriminating video on people so they would become assets of multiple intelligence agencies.
That is suspected. Can you link to anything that increases the certainty?
Not because I'm being a dick, but because evidence would be interesting and useful.
It's more of an open secret.
So no then?
The abusers are being saved. They’re Epstein and his clients, who happen to be at the top of the food chain.
Think about who is saving the abusers.
It's not a food chain. It's about power.
I fear this is becoming a joke, because it is hard to cope with the concept that the leaders of this country (from both parties) as well as very powerful and influential people are literal pedofiles who raped children.
there's a "yes minister" sketch about how to be a politician you can't have a clean criminal record, you must have done corruption case to show you have experience in the system. nowadays that sketch should be about how normalised pedophilia is in the government.
Then there's still two possibilities:
Because of 1. I'm not sure if this would stop any arguments, though.
He killed himself. But his top clients still hold top positions in government.
There are too many inconsistencies and coincidental 'mistakes' in the suicide story.
As if the guy who had dirt on a huge part of the rich and powerful of the world, dirt that could absolutely destroy them couldn't get murdered.
Witnesses have been murdered for a lot less.
But no, it's all a conspiracy theory.
It makes a lot more sense to me and requires a lot less moving parts.
This is not evidence. It's suspicion. If Epstein was murdered, find some reason to believe that. Otherwise it's just nonsense conspiracy, no different than Q.
And what inconsistencies are you referring to exactly? The fact that a dude who's life was over decided to kill himself? Or maybe it's the complete lack of regard, empathy, and competence of jail staff that you just can't believe exists in America?
Um. The entire client list?
You are sealioning.
LOL you want to hear about the inconsistencies while you say it's "nonsense conspiracy"? fuck that.
Looks like you don't know anything or the details about it yet feel the need to voice an opinion.
Sure it's all coincidence and mistakes, and he is the first of all prisoners to have killed himself in the 8 yaers that facility existed.
Wanna buy an island? It's the one where nothing happened.
What makes more sense? A vast conspiracy to murder a single man in a jail cell, or that single man lying to a psychologist to get pulled from suicide watch, then meeting his lawyer to change his will to fuck over his victims, then killing himself with his recently returned blankets while the guards slept the night away.
Guards who had been sleeping through their shifts for at least a month, likely longer.
Keep in mind that Epstein was in prison for his own sex crimes. Epstein himself, raped children.
I feel that tends to get lost in the whole "child pimp to the powerful".
Epstein had already been attacked by other inmates because Epstein was a pedo in a jail house.
Now, did people benefit from Epstein's death? You bet your ass. I just don't think that anyone is competent enough to pull off a murder for pay without fucking it up. Basically I'm anti-holiwood on this one. Because movies and TV are the only places that shit works.
" lying to a psychologist to get pulled from suicide watch"
He was still on 'heightened watch'.
And OC the guards made many mistakes, and a little unlucky moving other inmates around and plenty more to make it all possible by mistake.
The only suicide in the 8 years this facility exists.
But sure, witnesses or whistleblowers never get killed.
It's all a 'vast conspiracy', right.
Here's the story of an actual assassination.
In 2017, a journalist named Daphne Caruana Galizia was working on the Panama Papers, and the connection to Maltese businessmen. This angered Yorgen Fenech, a rich asshole who was all over the Panama Papers, so he hired a man named Melvin Theuma to hire Brothers Alfred Degiorgio and George Degiorgio along with their friend Vince Muscat to plant the bomb. They got the bomb from Robert Agius and Jamie Vella.
Notice how I'm actually naming names, because that's how this shit works in reality.
Epstein's guards didn't just "make some mistakes" they were fucking sleeping or playing cell phone games all night and then lying about doing their rounds. This had been going on for at least a month, likely longer. They were certainly not checking in on Epstein every 15 minutes as required by protocol, because again, they were sleeping and lying about it.
And Yes, Epstein had his blankets back, the very blankets he used to kill himself. Because he was a pedo in prison, facing a life of prison rape and constant beatings for being a pedo in prison.
I have no doubt that a bunch of very powerful people were shitting themselves over it all, until Epstein did them the favor of killing himself, for purely selfish reasons that just so happened to help those rich assholes.
Notably Donald Trump, who shit his diaper when asked about it.
There has been evidence against him since the early 2000s that he abused girls and young women. He wiggled his way out of a case in 2008, but he knew it was over this time. It is absolutely thinkable that he killed himself in order to not have to actually go to prison.
And notably, the AG that let him off with a wrist slap plea deal was appointed by the current president to be Secretary of Labor.
In 2008 he was protected by his influential clients. Second time around he was enough of a liability they instead got the evidence suppressed and made sure he couldn't make good on his blackmail threat.
@cm0002 hah!
(#alttext: socmed post @TheOldManIsHere
I can't believe Epstein killed himself right before he was about to be acquitted due to a complete lack of evidence.)
Trump is blackmailing at least one other person on the client list. It's the only way I can make sense of the way they said they were going to release it and then didn't.
So not because trump is implicit in his closest friend for decades actions?