Alan Dershowitz Says, ‘If You Want to Destroy Hamas, You Have to Kill the Civilians’ During Tense Piers Morgan Debate
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"If you want to destroy bigotry, you have to kill the bigots." How does that sound, Alan?
Sounds better than what he said, you're not advocating for killing bystanders.
I came here to up-vote this comment. Thank you for posting it.
Better?
They're literally no better than Hamas at this point. Hamas's who deal is, "fuck it. We'll kill the innocent with the guilty, let Allah sort it out."
Please give me: statistics on the bystanders killed by hamas vs. statistics on the bystanders killed by the Israeli occupation forces
EDIT: Misread comment, but hamas still clearly values human life more than Israel
It's actually a lot worse. The IDF has a much, much higher rate of civilians killed for every noncombatant than Hamas does. Hamas is objectively better at avoiding civilian casualties than the IDF is.
Oh my bad, I misread your comment and thought you meant they're better than hamas.
I'm palestinian so I am biased, and I do obviously agree 100%
Would be interesting to see the statistics, if someone has calculated them. I wonder if reservists count as combatants or noncombatants. Would skew the numbers a lot
Well, the vast vast majority of Hamas fighters are what a regular military would classify as "reservists." Hamas are mostly part-time fighters who otherwise have regular civilian jobs and live regular civilian lives. (Or at least they did before the Gaza strip was blown to rubble.)
Hamas is an irregular force, not sure they have what are traditionally understood as reservists
the IDF has indiscriminate bombings or attacks. hamas doesnt want to lose public favor from gazans.
It's amazing that, even after realising that Zionists are dishonest fascists, you still unthinkingly accept their characterisation of Hamas.
So what exactly is the difference between this and terrorism? (Nothing)
Wikipedia: Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.
In particular, fear, or "terror". You can use violence without anyone knowing, and you can create fear without violence. The fear is the key factor.
That refines the definition but does not show a difference. There are reports of starving gazans too scared to show up to food distribution.
Yeah, clearly, no difference.
Lol. IDF headquarters is in downtown Tel Aviv. Every accusation is projection. We really need to stop listening to this sex pest.
Sex pest or CHILD RAPIST?
Killing civilians is the best way to ensure that Hamas will have a steady supply of volunteers
If you're going to die anyways...
Isn't the attempt at that exactly how you get more hamas?
He'd probably respond, "Not if you kill them all." Which of course has its own defined word that he'd deny.
Next step is when they publicly say that they're doing genocide, but only on "those" people. (let me guess, someone already did that maybe)
Ya no way some other group from somewhere else will pop up
Has anyone suggested tattoos and gas chambers or we not going with full irony quite yet?
Insurgencency operation math: 10 insurgents before - 2 killed insurgents = now you have 20 insurgents
Which is exactly the point. They need Hamas just like George Dubya needed "terrorists" so they keep manufacturing them.
Palestine has the right to defend itself.
Israel doesn't
Is that your final solution, Al?
"Can I phone a fascist?"
I think at some point you have to ask yourself "if killing 10s of thousands of innocent people is necessary to achieve my goal... does that make me the 'baddie'?"
He has to defend Israel because he was on Blackmail Island and now they have controversial video material of him.
Trump and the Israelis wont stop the war. Why would they? Trumps "peace" is a farce and a delaying tactic.
... wherein he wrote "als Partisanen auszurotten" ("exterminate them as partisans").
@RandAlThor
There is a special seat in hell for Alan 'Diddy' Dershowitz, if hell exists
He's correct, but that doesn't justify it. Just the opposite.
"If you want to destroy Israel you have to kill the civilians"
Is exactly the same logic.
That would destroy Israel, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do
What are you trying to say here?
That's the only viable strategy - if there was some number of Palestinian civilians that Hamas could operate among with impunity, it would do. I don't think Israel is currently fulfilling its obligation to protect civilians as much as is practically possible while still fighting a war effectively, but civilian casualties would be high even if it was simply due to the nature of urban warfare against an enemy operating among civilians who have nowhere to evacuate.
I agree that the notion that Hamas can be defeated by denying it food, and furthermore that doing so justifies starving the civilian population, is indeed something I consider well outside the boundary of civilized warfare. The fact that Israel is doing that makes it hard to believe that it is seriously attempting to minimize civilian casualties in other ways. With that said, my point is that Dershowitz is still in principle correct.
And what do you personally think of this strategy?
Strategy? Genocidal much?
"They're all Hamas. Even the babies." Guy, it's not about Hamas, it's about exterminating the indigenous semitic Palestinians.
Could you please point in a map of Gaza to the areas you would consider it "acceptable" for Gazans to fight in.