True. But eventually human empathy succeeded. Call me pessimistic -- the barista sure likes to -- but I just don't see that happening for this timeline!
No, that's not what we're getting. Say what you will about the Terran Confederation, at least they built a space empire under a unified common goal. At least those humans were outrageously evil.
We want the federation and we are getting the terrain empire.
Why not build the federation? If billionaires can get their city states, it should be possible to start something with those who want it and grow from there.
Earth is still not ready. If one other alien civilization started it and sowed up at our door, we word not qualify for membership. We are very far away from single world government and no wars / discrimination. It's not impossible but not something that can just be built.
I mean, looking on the bright side: Even the Federation universe had to go through two civil wars, World War III, and the eugenics war to get to where they ended up.
There is no such thing as a utopia. The point of stories about utopias is just to get people to think about how to improve things. Not to make people upset they aren't living in a place that can never exist.
The world presented by Star Trek isn't telling you how things should be, how could it? It's wildly inconsistent about how things work, like do they have money or not? It seems it's just conveying they have an ideal future economy, but since the writers don't know what that will be, it's deliberately vague.
The point is to show various problems we have today from the perspective of people in a better future so we can understand that our problems as solvable and motivate us to solve them.
If you're giving up on solving the problems we have today because they seem impossible to solve or you believe they should magically solve themselves, then you're missing the point of Star Trek.
You say that, but we seem to be at least on track to a better 2050 than they had.
We've not had a eugenics war, drug-controlled supersoldiers, nuclear conflagration, nor a mutant genocide campaign, and we may not get the second and fourth.
I feel like people overblow the Elon Musk reference. Even putting aside the plot twist, it's been nearly 200 years from now, and they had the whole nuclear apocalypse in the early 2000s, which would only further muddle things.
People today praise Thomas Edison, and he was not that much better in many respects.
It's entirely reasonable for someone in the 23rd century to lose some of the details that we might have today.
We're getting neither .... we're getting this instead ...
Yep, were stuck with this shitty timeline
I mean, the Star Trek timeline was incredibly shitty for humans up until it wasn’t.
True. But eventually human empathy succeeded. Call me pessimistic -- the barista sure likes to -- but I just don't see that happening for this timeline!
We have to go through at least two major conflicts first, ww3 and the eugenics wars, according to trek.
At least we are on track for those i suppose 🤧
Right! Maybe that's why all these tech bros are embracing Dark Enlightenment. Trying to bring it about way sooner than makes sense.
Didn’t we go through it already like, last week?
No, that was the Bell Riots. WWIII is scheduled to start in 2026.
Yes but unfortunately the “sanctuary district” in El Salvador still has an entrance but no exit, we may need to riot a bit more
the bell riots were last century
Well, shit… WWIII just started boys..
Did you see the gallery at the trial in Encounter at Farpoint? Mid-21st humanity seems right on track for Star Trek future.
did i see it‽ where do you think i get fashion tips?
I must have missed it!
Highpoint of Hawkgirl's day, in fact!
Is that Ben Aflec?
Nah, that's Hawkman. Ben Aflac is Duckman.
WTF is a Hawkman? Isn't that Billy Chrystal in that movie Birdman?
Nah, a Hawkman is a semi-immortal Egyptian who keeps getting reincarnated only to be murdered by the same jerk again and again for thousands of years.
Also: the worst character of the main ones in Legends of Tomorrow
No, that's not what we're getting. Say what you will about the Terran Confederation, at least they built a space empire under a unified common goal. At least those humans were outrageously evil.
Instead, what we're getting is this:
Accurate. Especially to the first 30 min of Romulus.
That map projection though
Make. Greenland. Bigger.
RIP Australia.
I might be mistaken but I think that the comparison is wrong. Starfleet and the federation are not the same.
We want the federation and we are getting the terrain empire.
We want starfleet and we are getting space force
Why not build the federation? If billionaires can get their city states, it should be possible to start something with those who want it and grow from there.
Earth is still not ready. If one other alien civilization started it and sowed up at our door, we word not qualify for membership. We are very far away from single world government and no wars / discrimination. It's not impossible but not something that can just be built.
Why focus on the single world government and no wars? The crucial part is the nondiscriminatory environment and the other startrek values.
Yeah. You are probably right. I just thougt that you cant have both of those without the nondiscriminatory environment
I mean, looking on the bright side: Even the Federation universe had to go through two civil wars, World War III, and the eugenics war to get to where they ended up.
Strange that the Space Force logo is a combination of both…
Not sure how they can just steal the Star Trek logo tho…
The original NASA logo was the inspiration for the star trek insignia.
So really this is more like a nod to a nodder.
You’re a nodder
Your mum's a nodder
And your children will be nodders!
(I read the whole exchange in Michael Caine’s voice.)
Sure, but compare NASA next to Starfleet / Star Trek next to Space Force. Two of them look remarkably similar…
They're the US.
That reminds me, does anyone know where I could get an agonizer repaired for cheap?
O'Brien can fix anything, and does his own Quality Assurance, so is extra cheap
what we wanted:
what we got:
i will weep for the futures lost, but i will not weep for getting mirror kira
We don't know that yet. First we have to go through the nuclear war before we can get to Starfleet. We're speed running it now.
Shouldn't the Eugenics Wars have already happened?
Depends. SNW retconned it and said the Temporal Cold War pushed it up.
Ok so that's something we can still look forward to!
It's ok. It just means we can cross over to the brighter side.
Orca approved.
Free
WillyLorca!*squinting*
We're getting the Might and Magic devs? Is that why Q was a secret boss in MM6?
The word Utopia translates to "No place".
There is no such thing as a utopia. The point of stories about utopias is just to get people to think about how to improve things. Not to make people upset they aren't living in a place that can never exist.
The world presented by Star Trek isn't telling you how things should be, how could it? It's wildly inconsistent about how things work, like do they have money or not? It seems it's just conveying they have an ideal future economy, but since the writers don't know what that will be, it's deliberately vague.
The point is to show various problems we have today from the perspective of people in a better future so we can understand that our problems as solvable and motivate us to solve them.
If you're giving up on solving the problems we have today because they seem impossible to solve or you believe they should magically solve themselves, then you're missing the point of Star Trek.
What we wanted
What we're getting
I guess the silver lining is we'll kill ourselves off before we ever make it off the planet to spread our violence elsewhere.
Fuck yeah! I believe in us!
You say that, but we seem to be at least on track to a better 2050 than they had.
We've not had a eugenics war, drug-controlled supersoldiers, nuclear conflagration, nor a mutant genocide campaign, and we may not get the second and fourth.
Yeah in the Star Trek universe they praised Elon Musk
Guess we have already split off from that timeline. Unless of course the fascists will rewrite history.
I feel like people overblow the Elon Musk reference. Even putting aside the plot twist, it's been nearly 200 years from now, and they had the whole nuclear apocalypse in the early 2000s, which would only further muddle things.
People today praise Thomas Edison, and he was not that much better in many respects.
It's entirely reasonable for someone in the 23rd century to lose some of the details that we might have today.
It was an incredibly dumb decision to reference a living person. This just shows what a crock of shit Disco is.
Elon Musk still has time for a redemption arc. He might very well be the the person who finally kills Elon Musk
It tracks, though, because
::: spoiler SEKRITS Lorca is, in fact, from the Terran Empire :::
Swords in space??
What does that mean? What's the second icon?
Explained here: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Terran_Empire
Oh I thought this was a StarCraft reference
Starfleet command now that's a cool name for your space agency
Even Roddenberry knew by the end that his dream wasnt possible. Humans aren’t that good and altruistic, we are conquerors