Jellyfin, we are moving away from Reddit and we are pleased to announce our new forum!
cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/642061
official twitter announcement https://twitter.com/jellyfin/status/1670589982665322496
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Comments98cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/642061
official twitter announcement https://twitter.com/jellyfin/status/1670589982665322496
I get the desire for a centralized location but I was hoping Lemmy would be the spot. Forums just seen so fragmented, it's nice to go to one place to see all the discussion instead of having several subpages which honestly have little action. https://lemmy.ml/c/jellyfin seemed like the best replacement for r/Jellyfin
I totally agree with you! Why didn't they just hosted their own Lemmy instance???
Lemmy's moderation tools are severely lacking and they seemed to want to get away from the rank by voting system and the churn created by older but relevant and active discussion being hidden on Reddit and Lemmy.
Add on user purge behavior and the headaches that causes. Can't count the number of times I've been looking into an issue and came across a two year old reddit thread where the solution had been deleted. Much less likely to happen on a dedicated forum.
Probably for similar reasons as to why they moved from Reddit. Also configuring their own instance to approximate a traditional forum would honestly kind of undermine the whole point of using Lemmy or the like to begin with (at least imo).
I understand the sentiment of wanting them to to make their stuff easier to follow & post to from here and other places in the Fediverse, but from what they wrote, I get the sense that this format simply isn't what they were ever looking for in terms of fielding discussions/questions. Their move to Reddit was more of a compromise for where they were at with the project at the time, but now that Jellyfin's more developed in terms of the software and community, a forum is a more workable prospect.
My gripe with old school forums is that there isn't really any threading for comments. Makes it hard to keep up with things
Some forums have nested comments. It depends on the software.
Would you happen to be able to list some? I’ve been looking!
I have no firsthand experience, but looking at this page, candidates appear to include:
I also assume the last open-source version of Reddit's software is still floating around the 'net somewhere.
Thanks for getting back to me!
Agreed, I never understood why the discourse developer hates threading.
Congrats, that’s the kind of mentality that will make me move from Plex to Jellyfin tomorrow evening :)
I couldn’t be happier having made the move off of plex to jellyfin a couple years back. Plex is basically dead to me since they made their move into enshittification. Jellyfin is perfect! Works great never crashes etc.
I'm out of the loop, what's going on with plex?
As the others said below, a while back (several years at this point I think?) they decided that instead of improving their core product, they were going to move the entire business model into a really shitty version of free streaming apps. Like the ones that come preloaded on "smart" tvs full of ads and tracking.
They had an extremely long laundry list of bugs and feature requests from LONG TIME users (like me) but decided to ignore them and instead completely destroy their apps with shit.
All the sudden you login to your plex app and it's FILLED with all sorts of content you have no idea where it came from - it's not on your server, etc...
Which is all just sad, because as time passes, they'll just die off and be looked at the same as any other free shitpile streaming app full of ads, instead of what they once were: a really good home media library manager.
From what I remember from the last time I opened it, they added streamed content with ads. That's the only thing that seemed weird to me. I think they started charging for streaming content outside of the house as well, but I only ever used it to stream from my PC to my TV.
I stream from my server at my parents' place all the time. No charge. Though I did buy a lifetime pass several years ago.
It got... Weird.
The only thing with jellyfin is the constant subtitle issues for years that are very difficult to resolve I guess and inconsistent across different apps. That and sorting of non movie/show content and not respecting folder view.
Other than that, it's pretty much perfect!
Have you checked in their new support forum? Maybe we can make some noise there and get these issues some awareness!
Last time I used it, it really struggled with subtitles, especially anime subs. Right now I just use plex for media management and Kodi on all my devices to watch stuff via a Kodi addon.
This Emby user was eager to try Jellyfin, but I switched back after a few days. JF struggled with a few things and was missing some features I realized were essential for me.
Yep, I'm having a hard time remembering exactly when I switched - feels like 3 years ago? I had been watching them excitedly since they forked from Emby, and as soon as it sounded like they were pretty happy with where it had stabilized I jumped ship from Plex.
Had some very minor issues very early on that I mention only for full disclosure, but it's been like a rock otherwise, and absolutely no BS of any kind from the team or the product.
I've been wanting to make the jump for awhile and I've used jellyfin as a secondary server on my library to test run it. I really enjoy it for a lot of reasons but need to properly figure out reverse proxy before I implement it as my main.
Check their documentation, should be all there you need.
Is there something similar to plex shares for Jellyfin? That's the only thing holding me back.
Yes. That's kind of the point of it... think Emby, but some of the Emby devs didn't wanna sell out, so they made their own open source version...
Technically yes. But you have to set it up yourself/it's more technical, manual and involved.
I’m in the same boat. I’m part of a big friend group on Plex which makes it awesome.
this is a big pain for me as well. So right now I still just run plex + jellyfin at the same time on my server. Locally, all over the house, I use apple tv with the Infuse app connected to jellyfin to stream everything which works perfectly, but I have family members and friends who stream from my media library outside of the house, and they all use the plex app. I'm not sure of a way to get them connected to my jellyfin library. If/when I can figure that out, and more importantly, make it dead simple for the end users, I'll gladly close down the plex server for the last time ever.
Same here! I am going to complete the full transition by EOD!
As someone who had to Google a bunch of docker issues and constantly got redirected to locked down subreddits, I'm all for developers hosting their own communities. At least then they have an incentive to keep the communities alive.
Chats are not forums. Discord is the same bullcrap than Reddit and Facebook, just newer on the enshittification cycle. People should just have forums and someone could make a containerized microservice that federates it to Activity Hub. Now it's searchable, indexable, publicly available and archivable.
Absolutely agree that hiding knowledge behind a paywall is crappy. I hit that issue so many times with Red Hat that I standardized on debian variants.
Searching, while a function of any modern forum, is easily bypassed with a modern search engine / crawler. Unless the forum admin takes the unlikely step of disabling web crawlers on their site, you can pass the
site:<website>filter into your search. For example: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=subtitles+site%3Aforum.jellyfin.org&ia=web shows forum posts regarding subtitles.Only one question remains: will it federate
I was just thinking that common forum software implementing ActivityPub would be a great way to link all of these disparate web forums that are still active and have useful content.
They honestly should use a modified version of lemmy
The problem is a forum Is genuinely different than a Reddit/Lemmy board, where each forum thread can remain indefinitely alive and useful, while a reddy/Lemmy post is designed to decay with time.
It would have to be heavily modified
This is why both make sense. Reddit threads for quick questions, and they also appear in Google results much more than forum posts.
You kind of can with wordpress and the AP plugin. it works with bbpress --maybe not perfectly yet, but it's a start.
Yes, yes, yes, please yes! Let it use the ActivityPub protocol, it'll be so epic pogchamp, fire lit fam 🙏🏻
Jellyfin is a fantastic platform and I really like to use it!
It's given me a second renaissance of "cutting the cable" in this streaming no-ownership era
Yes! I finally just set up a dynamic DNS so I could get my music away from home.
Hooo, time traveling to the 90s I see. Very vintage
Yeah it's a pity they didn't set up their own lemmy instance, that way every other lemmy instance could get the content...
They should just federate, they don't need to use Lemmy to have it viewable from Lemmy/Kbin
just setup my lemmy acct. I do have a mastodon one tho. How find masto communities here, and vice versa?
Sweet. I'll probably never use it :(
Also being discussed in the Jellyfin Lemmy (which has some unofficial dev participation): https://lemmy.ca/post/749294
damn that's gross
But can you make a lemmy.world feed as well. Having one place to go for everything is better than 100 places.
I think that's the point. They are not in 100 places, they are in one. If you want support about Jellyfin, you go to Jellyfin. It was always kind of stupid with Reddit.
I need support with Jellyfin, so I go to Google, write my query, add Reddit at the end, go to result that may or may not be related, try to discover the difference between the 3 or 4 different but related subreddits to find out which one is the official. Discover that none of them is. Find another sub about cutting cable. There's a vague answer that's similar to your issue but not exactly. Maybe try asking them directly on Twitter.
Now you just go to jellyfin.org and the forum is right there, search there for your issue or write your answer. All in one single official place that is looked at and maintained by the very same team. It's just better overall
I meant, jellyfin, jellyseer, all the arrs are convient when i can go to one place to look at possible issues im having in one place, i.e. reddit. But since reddit decided to do what they did, thats now lemmy. Yes it was annoying but logging into multiple website ls is also annoying. Thats the only reason i use discord as well. One platform multiple spaces.
Eh I see no reason to have support discussions in Lemmy. Leave Lemmy for promotions, updates, and sharing content.
I wish they would have chosen to use software to maintain threading in comments and I'm not sure that Discourse really gamifies it's posts. After a quick look at the interface of myBB, I can say that I personally prefer Discourse. But I think non-accelrated-time-decaing forums are way better than Reddit for things like a project hub. I think what I liked about having many of my interests in on Reddit was the context switch for a topic often didn't require a context switch in interface to benefit from the network effect of many people participating in the topic.
But at the end of the day, knowing where to get quality assistance and casual discussion about a topic or project is all I'm after. Reddit has been a place to find what I was after, oftentimes as a signpost to find where people are gathering. And now the threadiverse is providing that function much better and sooner than I expected despite its many shortcomings.
I've always wondered why people DON'T choose discourse. It just works and looks great.
It looks "different" is probably the biggest reason. But I don't particularly like the way they do threads
nice switching back to good oll forums
I think this is going to happen a lot
I sure do hope so miss the days of finding some cool forums
And I am all in on that.
This would have been better if they had created a Federated platform so we could subscribe to it from here. I'm tired of using a dozen apps to do basically the same thing.
Not really the direction I foresaw for this, going to be a big mess of trying to find helpful info n all.
This is heaps cool. For some reason I read it as Jellyfish are moving away from reddit.
the migratory pattern of jellyfish is fascinating
Woohoo!
Also, time for them to start posting to Mastodon!
they needed to make this announcement where the eyes are, an unfortunately there are still far more eyes on twitter than any other microblog
They have a Mastodon account. They post there.
I think it's cool they are using myBB, I'm a big fan for that style of community.
Nice. I know most here are used to how Reddit structures their content, or are on the federation bandwagon. Personally I'm just happy to see the internet get a little more decentralized.
On a related note I should set up and play around with some old school forum software. It's been a few years since I've looked at it.
@Kurt Would have been great if it would have been federated
remember to register at sub.rehab for future visitor
yahoo!!
I'm so happy that they aren't using Discourse.
Discourse is centralized and proprietary, so it has all the same inherent fatal flaws as Reddit (and Twitter and Facebook)
He's probably mistaking Discourse with Discord..
My bad; I got it confused with Discord. Whoops!
They're not moving to Lemmy, if that's what you're welcoming them to.
And why are they still on Twitter ?! Its not credible...
Probably to broadcast announcements.
Maybe... If they wanted to create an announcement effect, they could have simply stuck to their website or Mastodon etc... Posting on Twitter (!!!) the fact that they're reacting so harshly to the Reddit case...for me it doesn't make sense...
Dude, they want people to know, so they go to where people is. This is not field of dreams, if you build it no one will come unless you tell them where to find it. Try to relax a little, they do have a Mastodon and even have a Matrix instance bridged to Discord. They engage on Lemmy as well. Just, breathe deeply and put the toxicity away.
I'm relaxed, thank you for your advice, no toxicity here, just a reflection on using closed networks to promote free software... It doesn't change the fact that I really love Jellyfin and will never switch back to Plex or anything else...
If you want to promote free software, you promote it everywhere where you're allowed to. I bet they posted it on Reddit too. It's just how things work. No one will know what you're doing unless you patiently and kindly explain it to them. Otherwise FOSS and federated software is just an exercise in onanysm. Like, there's a reason all streaming services buy ads on cable. You got to promote your stuff. Plenty of open source projects die simply because they refuse to or don't have the marketing skill to promote the project.
Says “no fee, no tracking, no hidden agenda”
Yet somehow they are offering this for free? How exactly are they keeping themselves supported?
That is (jelly)fishy..
Jellyfin is open sourced and supported by donations. I've used it for around a year and I can confirm there have been no fees, tracking, or anything else.
FOSS, donations
I am going to downvote you because you put zero effort in understanding that they are offering only the software as free software, not hardware or streaming in any form
Jellyfin was forked from Emby in response to exactly those things several years ago. It's a reliable, well supported, actively developed product that replaced Plex for me with ease.
It's a FOSS application. Software that users deploy on their own hardware to host videos that they store themselves and make them available for clients to view either on LAN or the internet. It's not something like a Youtube alternative that would need to pay hosting costs for petabytes of (pirated) media, the only costs Jellyfin's developers incur are the costs of labor (coding, graphic design, debugging, etc)
I'm guessing you don't have much experience with FOSS software. It's volunteer driven, with a set of passionate maintainors at the helm. Much like Linux.
Another important factor is that they're built by people who also use the software themselves.
Assuming this was all just lead-in to the joke… take my upvote.