Gen Z may think they have it rough but millennials are the most burned-out generation
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Don't worry, GenZ will eventually get even more burnt out than us. They're just not there yet. We all have it rough.
hear hear, it's not team sports, it's everyone's fucking life, we all share this place and this time
Instead of comparing our burn outs we should be burning the people holding us captive.
Why do you think genz will get more burnt out than us?
Because everything that has made life worse for millennials, is not fixed, not even a little bit, and is not going to be fixed. It is going to keep getting worse and it is not clear people are even really trying to fix anything anymore because we are, as the article points out, burned out. There is almost nothing on the horizon that has much potential for making anything any better or easier for anybody, and the few things that do have that potential, like AI and automation, are very clearly (to me) going to be misused for exploiting humans in almost every possible way and making life harder not easier for the vast majority of the human population which likely includes everybody commenting here.
GenZ may instead get burned-out literally -- from their homes, as humanity continues to work mindlessly towards a goal of creating enough heat to set the entire planet on fire, but maybe the rising oceans will put some of the fires out. Families and mental health and the fabric of society will continue to fray. Prices will keep rising. The wealth gap will continue expanding. Lawlessness and homelessness will become rampant. Democracy will continue to slide towards corporate tyranny and fascism, and peace begins to make way for conflict and war.
Time plus exponential decline.
The frequency with which once-in-a-generation calamities are occurring.
Fuck, man. I'm at 3.5 and I ain't even 40 yet.
As a college grad from the dot-com school, I feel ya.
Ok, but let’s not be divisive among generations over a common enemy.
No war but class war.
I hold nothing but compassion and solidarity for those who follow.
I want things to be easier for them, not as hard or harder than they were for us.
Story:
Just had a really painful conversation with my Boomer in-laws. They refuse to see acknowledge how bad things are for us and blame us for our failure to thrive like they got to, after receiving a six-figure cash injection back in the 80s from their parents, which is all gone now with their frivolous spending.
In the US, 1950-1980 is the era of lowest wealth inequality in the countries history. The top tax rate reached 91% in that time period. It is currently around 37%. Us poors had it worse before then, and have it worse after then. They won a birth lottery. Source: Thomas Piketty's 'Capital in the 21st Century'
And now that it’s lower the billionaires are happy to pay their fair share and society is better off for it. /s
Do you have a source for that? I found this source that is citing data from the congressional budget office. SOURCE (I followed the link and did confirm the numbers match). I made a quick plot so it was easier to see trends. Nothing stands out to me about 1983 - there's a small dip and then a course correction back towards the upwards trajectory, but this data tells us nothin about wealth inequality. We can't use total values because of inflation and such , probably have to use revenue as a %GDP or something but I'm too lazy too keep searching at the moment :) My immediate thought looking at the plot is this: If the total tax rev kept going up, and the top tax rate was cut, then the increased tax burden must have shifted to the poorer classes; I'd have to verify but it seems like a logical conclusion.
Yup! I'm a millenial here and I'm not here to compete for the oppression Olympics.
The rich just gave themselves another tax break. I'm not here to fight my fellow people. I want to eat the rich!
It's because discrete generations aren't a real thing.
You summed it up best: same age give or take a few years. I'm an elder millennial and have more in common with the youngest gen X than with the youngest millennials.
Exactly. As a millenial, my goal is to be compassionate for the next generation — not to pull the "when I was your age" card on Gen Z and Alpha.
I mean if gen Z men are a big fascist majority, when does it start being a class war?
Doesn't matter, no war but class war.
The primary adjective/insult to focus on is them being a fascist; the moment you pull any other, non-related adjective into the insult, they give themselves permission to ignore you.
Fuck fascist assholes, fuck the upper class, no matter the demographic.
As a millennial I give zero fucks about this generational shit with those who come after us. Gen Z and Alpha have the same shit sandwich we do, with their own special horrors we didn't grow up with. We should be working with them to make this better for all of us who come after the Boomers and Gen X.
This headline reads like "kids these days can't get off their phones" as if the Boomers who wrote it aren't sending iPhone gift cards via Facebook messenger to a Nigerian prince.
Fuck this generation war bait.
Millennials are more burned out because of having more time to have gotten burned out.
Compare people of same age. Get back to me about gen Z in 10 or 15 years and compare them to Millennails now.
Exactly. I'm a millennial and this is absolute bullshit. Gen Z has it way worse than we did at that age, and we already had it rough.
These generational differences simply do not exist in the way that terms like "Gen X/Y/Z/Millennials" make them appear. Societies don't work that way that everybody in a cohort has the same experiences and biographies.
Of course they're not as burned out as us; they're younger and haven't been beaten down for as long. I'm sure they'll get there in time, but we need to stop this intergenerational infighting and focus on what's really important: putting everyone over 50 in camps and redistributing their wealth.
And even if they never have it like us, then good. I want younger generations to have it better. I know what its like to be handed a shit deal
I want my son to grow up in a world with so much oversight and regulation that he takes government protections for granted and dismantles them for tax breaks. Is that so much to ask?
A bit extreme
Found one for the camps!
Let's start with Florida and see how it goes
That's where I was gonna build the camps.
This whole Gen vs Gen bullcrap is a bourgeois distraction attempt. Don't buy into any of it. There is no Gen vs Gen, it's bourgeois vs proletariat.
Nope we're not doing this again. It's not like that. Were all equally fucked on average. Let's not be crabs in a bucket.
But... but.... I'm a lobster and she's a crayfish!
That right!
And you call this gestures vaguely around a bucket‽ More like some kind of high walled vessel.
It's a safety basement. We're in it because of safety!
The most burned-out generation yet.
yeah. the energy and determination of youth has kept GenZ from burning out yet, but they went through covid during what should have been the peak years of their life.
on the other hand, us Millennials are cursed with remembering how things used to be better. sometimes I wish I didn't.
Well Gen Z only hears and sees the beautified pink tinted version of history on how life used to be - not sure that's any better
Everyone is fuck this gen war bait and fuck fake journalist
Instead of the class war, fuck billionaires
We're not competing. We're all being oppressed by the wealthy. It's time to unify against this shit
Divisive shitty title
Agreed. I hate the whole generational divide that keeps being pushed by media outlets. There are so many overlapping generations occurring concurrently, that it is essentially a completely meaningless title.
This comment section gives me hope.
Good job, Lemmings, for recognizing this for what it is.
Didn't know being mentally unwell is a competition, but bring it on
Call forth the therapists and let them do battle for our honor
But which generation whines the most? I'm voting boomers
Who even cares anymore. They're decrepit now and the real problem has always been the ruling class.
These terms like "Gen X" or "Millennials" are just as meaningful as astrological signs. In other words: They aren't.
These supposed generational differences are utter nonsense. There's no scientific research behind them. There are always people with different experiences and biographical backgrounds, but no entire generation experiences the same background.
But there are some similarities throughout a cadre. For example one generation lived through the Great Depression, another through WW2, and yet another through the black plague. It doesn’t mean that whole cadres experiences are exactly the same and ubiquitous across the globe, but it does mean it shares some environmental characteristics that are useful for categorization.
While it may not be very useful in many contexts, it absolutely isn’t the same as astrology.
The question is: how much impact do such shared experiences have? This is usually overinterpreted. Even with all people who experienced the Second World War, one cannot say that they all automatically share the same character traits. There are millions of other individual factors that also have a biographical and epigenetic impact and thus diversity will always arise.
Gen-x here. I don't know about anyone else but I'm fried goddamn crispy.
Gen X are only just behind millennials according to the trash article, and Gen Z not far behind them.
Just sensationalist generational-war crap to keep us from the class war.. Standard stuff for Fortune.
I live in California. The minimum wage is $15/hour. This is not enough to afford rent in California. The highest paying job I've ever had was $18/hour. Still not enough to afford rent in California.
I am lucky to still have my dad. When he goes, I'm probably not going to work ever again because what the fuck is the point of working 40-60 hours a week just to still be homeless?
You'll have to leave California. That's for sure.
Check out what an actual living wage is ...
https://livingwage.mit.edu/
And then get more pissed off at the system and how min wage is basically a political talking point pulled out of their asses...
And that's just to survive it's not for excess... Just to stay out of poverty
... for now.
Most burnt out so far, but it’s affecting everyone and these kids are being handed a dilapidated world.
Fuck this whole shitting on the younger generation shit. It's bullshit and everyone knows it.
I'll admit I am pretty fucking annoyed by how much fash sympathy there is in gen Z. We were so close to actually being able to make a pretty big political swing to the left swing and they kind of fucked it up in the worst way possible.
Everyone is calling out (rightfully so) the divisive bait but I think there is some interesting reason worth discussing behind this:
Some Gen Z folks used the wisdom of millennials and just said fuck it and checked out, their lives might not be great but it’s probably stress free.
Whereas for millennials, in theory having the American dream was possible, just less likely as time progressed. They are stuck with an almost sunken cost fallacy in which they have tried so hard cause they believed with enough effort they would make it. Now that they are burned out, they are faced with the dilemma of either stop trying and waste the high efforts or keep going and maybe they will get lucky.
So in conclusion, millennials having it better can backfire in some sense.
The only reason this can be even slightly true is strictly because of age. We are ALL burnt out. They will be where millennial are in just a few years. We gotta stop this gen VS gen nonsense.
Give me 10 years they'll catch up.
Please don't make the mistakes we did.
Do not believe the promises of your employers-- slack off and claw back your time and energy as much as you possibly can.
Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iNbnineUCI
But yeah. This is just a "most burned out generation so far..." thing.
I’m 42 and I’ve been burned out since 1983.
You've got quite a few fingers
The first eviction is the worst.
Turns out being part of a "sandwich" generation is not as tasty as the term implies.
This is a new term to me can you expand please?
It was in the article, it refers to a generation who is burdened with caring for both their parents/grandparents and their children.
Hey that's me and I'm not a melenial z or boomer
That's because they're younger and haven't earned as much burnout yet! They're just entering the burnout market, back in my day I had just as much burnout as they do but now I've been in the burnout market long enough to earn more burnout! They'll catch up soon, it's not unfair it's just how gaining experience works!
(Read above as: boomers and wealth hand waving) :P
That's not gonna happen. Workers must toil to make more profits for the people at the top or they will be replaced.
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Anyone have a non paywalled link?
https://archive.is/FJ0BD
Fuck that. Every generation throws a hero up the pop shart.
Yeah right…
My own personal idea to reduce burnout: democracy.
People never shut up about how we supposedly live in a free democratic society and spend 40+ hours in a fucking facist dictatorship.
Also if you don’t like your boss it should be legally permissible, even encouraged, to be able to hit them in the face once with a tire iron.
GenX here. We plan to work full time until we are dead. We have no retirement savings. Get bent.
if you don't have any savings, that's on you.