Also in case anyone wants the original wallpaper posted in the image, it's "By Upload2" from an art book called The Electric State by Simon StΓ₯lenhag. I fucking love all his art
The problem is the law of popularity. My friends wont move to an open-source decentralized alternative unless their friends do and their friends wont unless their friends do and...
In case anyone is confused by this clever comment and try looking it up (I did before thinking about it), they mean "BAA" as in the sound of literal sheep following a herd lmao
i definitely didn't come up with it, the internet taught me a long time ago that i never do anything original. but i do like it more that 'herd mentality'
I mean, it's not just herd mentality. I'm just not willing to lock myself out of relationships because of my principles. It's not my fault my mum can't be convinced to ditch Whatsapp for signal. Not willing to give up communication with her.
Herd mentality would be if you did a thing because others do it even if there wouldn't be any loss from switching to a better thing. It's more complex if you'd lose out a great deal from the switch.
I get what you're saying. The fact that using different services leads to a loss of social connectivity since the majority of people use one service is more an issue of the service itself being a monopoly than it is one of herd mentality.
It always goes back to capitalism when the services that become monopolies are the ones that care the least about people, since the services have already reached the "too big to fail" public perception.
EDIT: It's also an issue of some people being too stubborn to accept change unless it is forced upon them by everyone around them
Be the friend you want your friends to be, ask not what your friends can do for you but what you can do for your friends, that's one small step for Linux Users One Giant leap for friendkind, what is Oswald doing in that Book Depository?
Its very easy, also the same for all communication. You move and if your friends want to keep contact to you, they will at least use both. Otherwise they never were your friends, unfortunately. Friends dont abandon friends that are not happy in one place. Most likely, people will THINK it is the reason they cant leave. But its actually just an excuse because they are scared or lazy or insecure. All understandable but you dont get to claim you stay because your friends do.
Once they grasp the idea, some will move. Just get off of these shitty apps and see the excuse for the pile of shit that it is.
Sometimes it's needed for other needs too, in my experience some will just blurt how complicated is to move or they will move but sometimes forget to open it to check for messages since they'd only be using it to talk to you instead of switching entirely to another platform like you did, some people are fine with the cost of isolating themselves to not worry of those who won't put effort to contact you through your privacy-wise better alternative you are using but some will eventually burn out and give in to partially going back to said terrible platforms like Discord, it's all about threat model. I find it easier to convince people from Discord to use Matrix but people using WhatsApp? Oh well, those you hardly will manage to convince them all for you to just quit it. How I see is in the end we are all different with different needs, some people will just happily comply with your request becauss they proudly will support you switching elsewhere for a reasonable and good reason but some will try and stop, and some will just keep insisting for you not to leave (then if you leave even if they're insisting you not to, who would be at fault then? they'd be begging you to stay and most of the time these people are usually the ones who still hasn't awakened to the dangers of privacy invasive platforms and just shrug it off, so they are not leaving because they don't care about you, they just don't get at all why you are doing it and find it pointless - which helps when you try to inform them in a long period of time about such things, but who does that all the time when trying others to switch? some find out about these issues and just want to snap into the better privacy-wise alternative asap)
FYI my reply isn't some defending talking points not to switch but to explain from different perspectives why some just won't bother
It is very hard to read your stream of conciousness, sorry. I did read probably half of it and the end since it had a break at least.
I am talking from experience and it is very easy to move but it is very hard to work up the guts to ask people to move your chat, i get it. And it will come with some issues. If you cant deal with them, you're entitled to it.
My point is that not wanting or not being able to is not the same as it being hard in general. People should consider it, try it and if it doesnt work for them thats fine.
But if you move and someone tells you they wont download a less invasive app for some bs reason you know what youre in for.
As much as I dislike about Discord, I can't deny that its level of service, polish and ease of use are just superb. Especially for voice chat with friends with integrated screen sharing that just works.
There are show stoppers sometimes - occasionally messages just don't get sent or received for whatever reason, and Discord's handling of it is just bad. It's pretty important for a chat app to work reliably for chat. But when it works (which is almost always), boy is it nice.
Haven't tried Revolt and I likely can't because of the network effect already mentioned by someone else. How does it compare in ease of use, ease of setting up, feature set for free users, etc.?
I've looked into Revolt and it isn't there quite yet. But the road map is extremely promising. I'll keep my eye on it and as soon as they finish up a couple more features I'm going to use it.
Oh yes, my moment! 2002, stage 1 off a DVD with no internet connection on a Pentium 2. Accidentally selected everything including open office, Firefox and done other stuff I don't remember then hit emerge world. One week of compiling later it was finally ready for the next input π
I don't see an issue with OP bragging a little. It is difficult and time-consuming to install Gentoo for the first time. "π" did a good job and should be proud of themselves for completing it!
Well technically you right about linux it's hard to customize everything if.... you pick the most barebone linux distro like Debian or Arch.
That's why i used the most ricer linux to customize the hell out of it, like garuda moca catpuccino. If you asked me if it's bloat ??? of course it is, because it packed so much stuff that i still understand how to used it untill now.
Pretty sure any distro with i3, fastfetch, feh and i3-lock does this - I can see they installed an i3-dock alternative without changing the config file though...
Also in case anyone wants the original wallpaper posted in the image, it's "By Upload2" from an art book called The Electric State by Simon StΓ₯lenhag. I fucking love all his art
Thanks, I knew the art, but never bothered to make a note of the artist.
Just delete Discord now, promote Revolt
The problem is the law of popularity. My friends wont move to an open-source decentralized alternative unless their friends do and their friends wont unless their friends do and...
Baa's Law
In case anyone is confused by this clever comment and try looking it up (I did before thinking about it), they mean "BAA" as in the sound of literal sheep following a herd lmao
hahaha i googled it after i posted it, too, just to se if i was making it up
Honestly it works well as an alternative to saying "herd mentality" (which is unfortunately accurate in this case)
i definitely didn't come up with it, the internet taught me a long time ago that i never do anything original. but i do like it more that 'herd mentality'
I mean, it's not just herd mentality. I'm just not willing to lock myself out of relationships because of my principles. It's not my fault my mum can't be convinced to ditch Whatsapp for signal. Not willing to give up communication with her.
Herd mentality would be if you did a thing because others do it even if there wouldn't be any loss from switching to a better thing. It's more complex if you'd lose out a great deal from the switch.
I get what you're saying. The fact that using different services leads to a loss of social connectivity since the majority of people use one service is more an issue of the service itself being a monopoly than it is one of herd mentality.
It always goes back to capitalism when the services that become monopolies are the ones that care the least about people, since the services have already reached the "too big to fail" public perception.
EDIT: It's also an issue of some people being too stubborn to accept change unless it is forced upon them by everyone around them
Be the friend you want your friends to be, ask not what your friends can do for you but what you can do for your friends, that's one small step for Linux Users One Giant leap for friendkind, what is Oswald doing in that Book Depository?
he's reading the CompTIA Linux+ Guide to Linux Certification
Its very easy, also the same for all communication. You move and if your friends want to keep contact to you, they will at least use both. Otherwise they never were your friends, unfortunately. Friends dont abandon friends that are not happy in one place. Most likely, people will THINK it is the reason they cant leave. But its actually just an excuse because they are scared or lazy or insecure. All understandable but you dont get to claim you stay because your friends do.
Once they grasp the idea, some will move. Just get off of these shitty apps and see the excuse for the pile of shit that it is.
You didn't get his point, he won't move unless his friends move
And why do you think that i didnt get it? Have you ever entertained a thought to make a point?
Sometimes it's needed for other needs too, in my experience some will just blurt how complicated is to move or they will move but sometimes forget to open it to check for messages since they'd only be using it to talk to you instead of switching entirely to another platform like you did, some people are fine with the cost of isolating themselves to not worry of those who won't put effort to contact you through your privacy-wise better alternative you are using but some will eventually burn out and give in to partially going back to said terrible platforms like Discord, it's all about threat model. I find it easier to convince people from Discord to use Matrix but people using WhatsApp? Oh well, those you hardly will manage to convince them all for you to just quit it. How I see is in the end we are all different with different needs, some people will just happily comply with your request becauss they proudly will support you switching elsewhere for a reasonable and good reason but some will try and stop, and some will just keep insisting for you not to leave (then if you leave even if they're insisting you not to, who would be at fault then? they'd be begging you to stay and most of the time these people are usually the ones who still hasn't awakened to the dangers of privacy invasive platforms and just shrug it off, so they are not leaving because they don't care about you, they just don't get at all why you are doing it and find it pointless - which helps when you try to inform them in a long period of time about such things, but who does that all the time when trying others to switch? some find out about these issues and just want to snap into the better privacy-wise alternative asap)
FYI my reply isn't some defending talking points not to switch but to explain from different perspectives why some just won't bother
It is very hard to read your stream of conciousness, sorry. I did read probably half of it and the end since it had a break at least.
I am talking from experience and it is very easy to move but it is very hard to work up the guts to ask people to move your chat, i get it. And it will come with some issues. If you cant deal with them, you're entitled to it.
My point is that not wanting or not being able to is not the same as it being hard in general. People should consider it, try it and if it doesnt work for them thats fine.
But if you move and someone tells you they wont download a less invasive app for some bs reason you know what youre in for.
As much as I dislike about Discord, I can't deny that its level of service, polish and ease of use are just superb. Especially for voice chat with friends with integrated screen sharing that just works.
There are show stoppers sometimes - occasionally messages just don't get sent or received for whatever reason, and Discord's handling of it is just bad. It's pretty important for a chat app to work reliably for chat. But when it works (which is almost always), boy is it nice.
Haven't tried Revolt and I likely can't because of the network effect already mentioned by someone else. How does it compare in ease of use, ease of setting up, feature set for free users, etc.?
I've looked into Revolt and it isn't there quite yet. But the road map is extremely promising. I'll keep my eye on it and as soon as they finish up a couple more features I'm going to use it.
It's been in the same state for like five years, there's no priority on the bits that would get it over the line
Does Revolt have screen sharing yet?
No
Until it can do voice chat and screen share, it's going to be discord for most users.
I think he has Signal. (I know i have Signal) Only 1 message there, then switched back to Discord
Revolt, Matrix & XMPP
If we're bragging, I installed gentoo back in 2005 from stage1 tarball.
Jesus dude
Oh yes, my moment! 2002, stage 1 off a DVD with no internet connection on a Pentium 2. Accidentally selected everything including open office, Firefox and done other stuff I don't remember then hit emerge world. One week of compiling later it was finally ready for the next input π
I remember some ungodly split package nonsense with Openoffice back in the day, but the details elude me.
It was still a pain on an Athlon64 X2
same here - but I somehow had constant data corruption on my loop-aes 8x160GB raid5 reiserfs, which went away after switching distro
I use arch btw
We laugh to hide the tears
(Error: infinite recursion detected)
Should be easy to fix, just edit your configuration.nix file...
I have a git repo of a bunch of stowed configs and scripts, and use Arch, btw
I don't see an issue with OP bragging a little. It is difficult and time-consuming to install Gentoo for the first time. "π" did a good job and should be proud of themselves for completing it!
I mean if I made something unnecessarily hard for myself, I wouldn't be bragging about it.
It doesn't even look that good tbh
You can argue that stock kde looks better.
Yeah, granted I cant see anything and the status bar seems to be cut off
Well technically you right about linux it's hard to customize everything if.... you pick the most barebone linux distro like Debian or Arch.
That's why i used the most ricer linux to customize the hell out of it, like garuda moca catpuccino. If you asked me if it's bloat ??? of course it is, because it packed so much stuff that i still understand how to used it untill now.
It's also not that hard.
Pretty sure any distro with i3, fastfetch, feh and i3-lock does this - I can see they installed an i3-dock alternative without changing the config file though...
Oddlama/gentoo-install is great for this.