Woman says security guard at Liberty Hotel in Boston confronted her in bathroom, asked to prove gender
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Turns out the male in the women's bathroom was the security guard, instead.
Again.
Friend of JK Rowling and coiner of the term “adult human female” thinks armed men belong in women’s restrooms.
So women won't be able to even take a piss without being under the control of armed men. It's almost as though they're using trans people as an excuse. . .
How dare she think that
But I'm guessing you're exaggerating to argue in bad faith.
Did you watch the video friend? No exaggeration needed, that’s literally what she says lol.
When I was a kid I thought fancy ladies rooms had butler dudes in them too
I'll be honest, it never really crossed my mind that the ladies room attendant was a chick, I never really put much thought into that one.
Also too, BECAUSE IT'S JUST A DESIGNATED PLUMBED ROOM TO TAKE A SHIT, NOT A FUCKING THING TO BE POLITICIZED.
I am a guy, but I have actually been to a few places, maybe two, in my whole life, that actually did have butler type people in the restrooms.
IIRC, one was some yearly corporate gala thing... utterly insufferable... the other was a fancy pants opera theatre.
better title: security guard sexually assaulted a patron.
By definition this is so close to terrorism
From the article:
This shit happened in my state. I am low key tempted to figure out who that is, book a trip to Boston coinciding with that dipshit's return to service, and aggressively "transvestigate" their nasal cavity with pepper spray before I give their teeth an exclusive meet and greet with a curb.
Pretty sure inclusion training is now illegal in the US
I live in Boston. My parents have stayed at that hotel before while visiting me. I’m going to tell them to not consider it going forward.
The Hotel suspended the asshole guard and is doing a bunch of things to try to make amends and you want to punish them?
Edit: and they are doing all of his in an America lead by an administration that is actively trying to punish any company or organization that even whispers inclusivity or acknowledges LGBTQ+ people and causes.
They should have fired him tbh
Probably union or a proceedure to work thru.
Someone also suggested he might be under a contracted company. There are a number of reasons they might not be able to outright fire the asshole.
Backpedal and save face (and pay lip-service)
Yup, the terfs in line couldn’t imagine a woman exists who didn’t look like their version of a woman to them since she didn’t follow every trend of what “being a woman” should look like based on social media, most likely.
Look at yourselves, making up a story you want to hear and then running wild with that narrative??
There's no indication at all that "radical feminists" are involved, and if there was, they'd probably be supporting the poor woman kicked out of the loo
Maybe I'm in a bubble, but it's true that I haven't heard a TERF of crypto-TERF talking point in a while. Even my mother who is somewhat susceptible has been quiet on it.
I'm already seeing it "Transpeople caused this!" "This wasn't necessary until THEY stirred the pot!"
TERF Kinds of fascist apologia
Well, it wasn't necessary until recently and it's only a problem in relatively few locations globally.
Both sides blame each other for why there's a problem.
Go figure.
History has shown us that if a man wants to go into a women's bathroom to harass or assault women, he doesn't usually get all disguised to do it.
Yeah and (at least in this case) if he's a security guard, he just walks right on in!
And they are usually white men. In a security guard outfit.
Or pageant owners...
GUARD: SHOW ME YOUR PUSSY!
GIRL: No, get out of the girl’s bathroom. I’m calling the police.
GUARD: then… PROVE YOUR GENDER?
Sounds like a script from a pron movie
Hey! I’m an uhh amateur filmmaker. Want to make a movie with me?
Exactly the type of people empowered by the current administration.
It just says he was suspended not fired.
Also depends on if the security was contracted. If so, then the hotel can ask for a personelle change but isn't responsible for their employment. The contractor would just relocate the guard if they don't fire him.
I once drunkenly wandered into the women's restroom at a bar, took my piss after I couldn't find the urinals, got all the way to the washing my hands phase, me and a lady who was also minding her business locked eyes while she also washed her hands, we both triple took, then I said "ooops I'm not supposed to be here" then we both just cackled, and went about our business.
That's the end of the story, no one was upset, no one was assaulted, no one gave a single fuck and we both had a good laugh.
That's just it, these pricks who keep throwing a fit about who uses which bathroom are really much more interested in hating transgender people than they are about protecting anyone. You can point out stats about who is actually assaulting who and how it's happening, and it won't change a thing, because protection was never the point.
The cruelty is the point.
Punishing deviation from gender norms is the point.
Nice high horse but those creeps will hate on the other cis gender as well. The article even says other women in line were criticizing – puritans and what not.
Not a new phenomenon either.
A mate of mine met his wife in the women's toilets
(Mens was disgusting, he nipped across, she "caught" him in there and laughed her arse off at his expression. )
It's the same reason why there's suddenly a big deal about women's sports.
It's not about protecting women at all, since it now leads to men policing those spaces and basically demanding from women that they drop their panties to prove their sex.
And that is the actual goal, to invade women's spaces and bodies.
Why do you people assume it's only men that don't want males using female bathrooms?
There are a lot of women who also don't want males using their bathrooms.
Yeah, I've used the men's room before and nothing happened. I saw the urinals and realized my mistake, but when you gotta pee, you gotta pee.
Sometimes it's not an option. Sometimes it's fucking disgusting,.or sometimes it's occupied and you like the pants you're wearing and not willing to shit them.
These laws are for no one, unless you can't think, or refuse to.
Very location dependent. I've no issue with trans women in the women's bathrooms but I don't want men in the women's bathrooms everywhere. Clubs, parties, homes, work office even, but mostly anonymous quiet public bathrooms, no. And it's about walking in and a man or group of men being in there already, plus being followed in.
I understand what you're saying but I have never walked into a women's bathroom and there been any men in there ever. No matter what country or type of place I've been in.
This attitude doesn't make any sense.
If you don't want groups of men in the womens' toilets then why would you support a system that would force Trans men to use womens' toilets on a mandatory basis?
I'm not supporting that system. I think trans women should used women's bathrooms and trans men should use men's bathrooms. Where did I say different? I don't want men in women's bathrooms.
My apologies, misread your statement.
No worries, thanks for the apology.
I guess I'll clear this up a little, this story happens in Texas, and to further clear it up, it's not a story, this happened in Texas.
How are you going to enforce this?
I'm not, I just don't want men in there but I'm not going to enforce anything.
Oh, my bad. I didn't realize English may not be your first language. Let me clarify.
How do you think what you suggested should be enforced?
Currently having segregated bathrooms is working well enough.
Is it?
There are so many outliers to this that it doesn't even make sense to begin with.
That's fair.
That security guard should be fired.
Arrested for violating the woman's civil rights.
He should be arrested.
Better answer. Yes.
In fucking BOSTON?
THAT PIECE OF SHIT IS LUCKY TO BE ALIVE
He was
He was suspended, not fired.
'nt
We should all misgender every MAGAt male who enters the men’s bathroom. And tell them that pussies are not allowed in there.
Topic: Jd Vance is a trans man. He uses the “wrong” bathrooms at the White House.
Change my mind.
New way to avoid becoming the Nazi Bar. Ask them for ID before they can use the bathroom.
Fuck yeh
Start standing at the entrance to male toilets in conservative meetups, demanding to see everyone's (micro-) penis.
They're probably going to ignore you and go on about their business like adults.
God forbid you take a shit in the vicinity of someone with different genitalia. The entire bathroom debacle is straight up childish.
Good god, imagine them even looking different! At a certain point, I don't even care about the genitals, I just don't think women should be allowed to cut their hair or wear jeans or shoes (/s I don't even know what I'm channeling at this point)
You’re probably channeling the type of Americans who don’t travel outside of their own country or if they do they only ever hang out in a Starbucks at the airport cuz anything non American scares them too much.
Oof especially arabic alphabet. They treat it like eldritch runes.
Well shit stranger I'll tell you what you're channelin', you're channelin' the grace of god by.... by... Lashing out at anyone who isn't a spitting image of you?
Oh man, the things people said God said is getting real hectic, please, stranger, could you just hold the line for a sec
This conversation is way above your head. Toddle off now.
Is it because I'm saying truths you don't like?
Carry a gun.
Both will result in you getting shot
That’s the thing about wars. You can only get lucky for so long.
But they started it and I ain’t going quietly.
Then start abducting or assassinating politicians
Shooting a lost uber driver never changed anyone’s mind
Viva la resistance
So Tomboys and Butch women are illegal now, got it.
why not just rip the bandaid off and start saying only blonde white women are good, you've got Vince McMahon's wife in the inner circle afterall..
What's the difference between a tomboy and a butch woman?
butch is more masculine
Butch implies they're sapphic, tomboy does not.
🤦
So ironic.
If someone confronts you in a hateful way about your gender like this, maybe you suddenly become afraid for your safety (valid!) and spray them in the face with pepper spray.
When people ask what happens say you became afraid the stranger was trying to hurt you and put your body under threat because they were.
Might go over better in court if you wait until after they are asking to see your private parts.
No judgement to anyone, but I think pepper spray is a better option here because bigots want you to be a threat which makes resisting hard because resistance can be so easily propagandized as a violent threat.
If you spray someone in the face with pepper spray, well.. it is much harder to make the argument you are a violent threat vs. that person was being a fucking creep and making you feel uncomfortable because you were alone with a stranger in a bathroom being accosted about details of your gender and body that have NOTHING to do with them.
It is 2025, I am not going to judge trans people or other vulnerable groups for taking their safety into their own hands, just be mindful of how you do it and consider how you can subvert the toxic attempt to narrativize your actions as evil.
Look at this point if I see someone giving a trans/queer coded person shit/hurting them/threatening to hurt them I am going to assume my job is to get as many nearby people to notice and shut that shit down by sheer force of normal people crowding out the couple violent fascist assholes because they can't do anything to a quickly growing crowd of angry normal people...
...so I am really not interested in judging queer people too hard on any reaction they have right now as a cisgender hetero white dude.
I am so mad, I think I could honestly convince most normal people to intervene with their bodies in a situation like that if there were enough people around, anti-trans beliefs aren't that popular and most normal people are fucking tired of it and just want politicians to make their lives materially better and the more they hear about rightwing gender bullshit violence thinly veiled as pseudo-science the more creeped out they get about the weird obsessions of the rightwing that motivates these pathetic vessels of hate.
The problem of course, and what we are talking about, is when nobody but a queer coded person and a fascist are around, and I have no grounds to pass any judgement in how queer people choose to respond in that space.
Not defending the idea of vigilante justice for bathroom perverts -- but even if so, why would it be important that they know why they were killed?
Malice. Revenge.
It's a good reason people like @cocopanda don't have a significant impact on how people behave in the real world.
You shouldn't even exist.
Wow, you're replying to all of my comments.
It's pretty weird.
Texas security guard on a grayhound: ma'am, are you pregnant or a fat guy?
Guy: Dude, its a bus! Everyone goes in the same toilet when its a bus! Wanna see my pee pee?
I thought people simply don't go to a toilet on a greyhound. 🤔
Only the brave may enter
The brave and the autistic, it ain't bravery when I'm too socially inept to know what the fuck I'm doing. Upside is I get a +2 to into intimidation.
That's because using the bathroom on a coach bus is the fastest way to get everyone else on the bus to hate you.
i knew a person that was misgendered, and was questioned by AA person why she went into the womans bathroom because she was wearing a shoes and some clothes that men wear.
She was wearing SHOES??? How dare she. Cross dressing is getting out of hand.
AA? Alcoholics Anonymous?
A shoes?!
How dare her's!
If anyone ever corners me in a bathroom and tries to look at my genitals I'm stabbing them
Security asked for ID so at least that was clickbait. Apparently this happened WHILE they were inside the stall btw.
Security literally started banging on the door full force demanding they open it while people are doing their business.
Between what?
While bathroom bills are explicitly aimed at trans folk, generally it's the non-gender conforming cis crowd that actually gets challenged IRL. Which isn't a bug, but a feature to control and enforce two clean arbitrary distinctions. Almost always some poor butch lesbian being accosted by the gender police and told to pee safely they need some makeup.
There is more to being a man than a tie, and more to being a woman than a dress. Humand are infinitely more complex than those old strict boundaries. This sort of attack is just a impotent attempt to force back the 1920'e statud quo.
A few years ago, my cis friend got harassed at a bathroom by a woman who didn't bat an eye at me (trans) being there
They say "we can always tell" and then go harass other cis folk. It's be funnier if it wasn't so sad.
Disappointed but not surprised that the sexual assailant in this article has not been charged with anything yet, let alone sexual assault...
Calling someone a creep for not matching your gender appearance expectations, as at least one of the women in line for the bathroom did to this lady, is also arguably sexual harassment. But nobody's going to bring any consequences against the woman that did that. Typical cis woman weaponizing false victimhood and then disappearing into the background with zero consequences and possibly zero self reflection.
"The Liberty Hotel is and always will be an ally of the LGBTQ+ community..."
With allies like that...
Aww that's gross. I thought the Liberty Hotel is a fun place. Also…y'know…liberty…
They are at liberty to demand you show your genitals
...your genitals, whuuuut
It's actually converted from an old prison, so has a long history of negating personal rights.
Imma gonna start calling these fools the twat pigs. Even "genital police" sounds too dignified
So pissing in a bowl is considered sexual assaulting women now? Wtf? Not like she did it out in public fucking hell America is making itself look shittier and shittier every day now
Again, you should just disappear.
So the goal all along was pretext to force women to show men their hoo has?
Also forces women to conform to gender norms. No pixie cuts, no hairy armpits. Those will get you picked up by the cultural police.
Pepper spray that creep!
MAGA when they see a woman whom they think is trans minding her own business
Please don't associate one of my favorite movies with those POS's.
My response would have been "you first"...
I hate to say this because I really do love Boston. But it's a racist shithole that needs to be burned down
Whew, can't say I'm surprised to already see mods abusing their powers to censor discussion of this topic.
What discussion? You really wanna harass women in the bathroom?
🤦
What would you like to discuss? How to mind your own business?
Huh, offtopic, I didn't know there were derby parties outside Kentucky
And MA claims to be so progressive with their gun control laws
What if it was a dragon eating the patrons, would it be acceptable then?
IT WASNT A MAN, THATS THE POINT
None of this ever was an issue in the past until Republicans started pushing bullshit natives that noone cared about before to keep people distracted with a shiny turd whole they rob the state blind
What if you fucked off and never came back here?
Yikes.
This is what happens when you're faced with rationality. Can't say I'm surprised.
How is minding your own business irrational?
Dang, now you have to argue in bad faith.
Can't say I expected more.
Please use a good-faith interpretation of my question and explain how projecting your bigoted opinions on others is rational.
I gotta ignore you now. You're going to keep throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
Goodbye.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Too bad your “just asking questions” bad faith conservative drivel doesn’t work here and gets pushback. Maybe Twitter is more your speed.
Don't feed the trolls
Step 1: Raise concern
Step 2: Security calmly lets the person know that some of the other patrons are feeling uncomfortable because they think the person is male/female.
Step 3: Person will say they're female or identify as one.
Step 4: Security says OK (maybe apologize for the inconvenience).
Step 5: Let other patrons know. Anyone still uncomfortable can wait until the person leaves or use a different toilet.
That's really it. There's no reason for an officer to ask for proof or ask them to get out if all they're doing is using the bathroom.
I think some of the snarky replies you are getting is a result of users assuming you're asking a hypothetical just to ruffle feathers when the answer to your question is this simple.
If they are really so scared of trans. Why not just put an alarm button in the bathrooms? That's triggers a loud alarm and calls security? Seems easy
That's just the same situation as in the article above with extra steps.
Some random lady thinks another lady is transgender or whatever. She pushes the button, alarm goes off security comes in. What then? They ask to prove she's a woman. It's the same thing.
People should mind their own business in bathrooms instead of gatekeeping who can take a shit.
I agree, but the alarm would be if you're getting attacked or something. We all know how rare that would be if ever. Rather have that then an old man security guard going into the women's bathroom
People call 911 for stupid, trivial reasons all the time.
There is no way hysterical terfs are not going to misuse an alarm button.