tl:dw some the testing shows 300-500% improvements in the 16GB model. Some games are completely unplayable on 8GB while delivering an excellent experience on the 16GB.
It really does seem like Nvidia is intentionally trying to confuse their own customers for some reason.
It really does seem like Nvidia is intentionally trying to confuse their own customers for some reason.
Its moreso for OEM system integrators, who can buy up thousands of these 5060ti's and sell them in systems as 5060Ti's, and the average Joe who buys prebuilts won't know to go looking at the bottom half of the tech sheet to see if its an 8 or 16.
As well as yes, direct scamming consumers, because Jensen needs more leather jackets off the AI craze and couldn't give a rats ass about gamers.
I agree that they don't give half a shit about their actual product, but their biggest competitor has never been more competitive, and Nvidia knows it. Pissing off your costumer base when you don't have a monopoly is fucking stupid, and Nvidia and the prebuilt manufacturers knows this. It's business 101.
There's gotta be something else. I know businesses aren't known for making long term plans, because all that will ever matter to them is short term profits. But this is just way too stupid to be because of that.
That something else is that they don't need the gamer market. Providing consumer cards is literally an inconvenience for them at this point, they make 2 billion a quarter from gaming cards but 18 billion on datacenter compute, with some insane 76% gross margins on those products they sell (to continue funding R&D).
Yup. This is basically aimed at the people who only know that integrated GPUs are bad and they need a dedicated card, so system manufacturers can create a pre built that technically checks that box for as little money as possible.
So their strategy is making and selling shitty cards at high prices? Don't you think that would just make consumers consider a competing brand in the future?
Yea I don't know why buying a shitty product should convince me to throw more money at the company. They don't have a monopoly, so I would just go to their competitor instead.
it is 2019, the 2060ti has 8gb of vram. it is 2020, the 3060ti has 8gb of vram. it is 2023, the 4060ti has 8gb of vram. it is 2025, the 5060ti has 8gb of vram.
Regular GTX 1080 here. Running Space Marine 2 at 60 fps on 1080p on mid-ish settings. And that's basically the most graphics-intensive games I've played recently. Games like Total Warhammer 3, Dark Deity 2, Factorio or Heroes of the Storm don't care about the GPU and play great at 1080p.
Speaking of, what is the next best cost-efficient GOAT in the generations that followed the GTX 10 series? I'm gonna be needing a new GOAT at some point in the future - would love to hear recommendations.
I'm also interested in the answer to this; as a fellow 1080p gamer, a quick research had me hovering around an Intel A770, the only one offering 16gb at my target price of around €300, but I'm open to suggestions.
you can absolutely run newer titles with a 1080/1080ti. maybe not at 4k max settings, but a little bit of compromise should easily get at least 60fps in most titles.
The whole fact that NVIDIA is not allowing AIBs to send the 8GB card to reviewers is quite telling. They are simply banking on illiterate purchasers, system integrators to sell this variant. That's another low for NVIDIA but hardly surprising anyone.
I agree, but it is still crazy that there are people out there making $500 plus purchases without the smallest bit of research. I really hope this card fails only for the reason that it deserves to.
Ever since the 40 series, you need to downgrade every card by 1 tier to get the actual product. Nvidia marketing gimmick.
RTX 4060 - RTX 4050
RTX 4060 Ti - RTX 4050 Ti
RTX 4070 - RTX 4060
RTX 4070 Super - higher clock speed RTX 4060
RTX 4070 Ti - RTX 4060 TI
RTX 4070 Ti Super - RTX 4070
RTX 4080 - RTX 4070 TI
RTX 4080 Super - RTX 4080
RTX 40?? - RTX 4080 TI. There definitely should have been a GPU in this bracket judging by transistor counts. Would eat into the insane 4090 margin though so it wasn't meant to be.
Depends on the use case. And even at 1080p there are quite a few games that use 8gb or close to it. Ghostrunner and LOTF (2023) come to mind. Although tbf, I played the first one on my RX580 8G (I think) almost maxed out and it did fine.
But if you're buying a card now, especially at new modern card prices, you want to have at least a bit of future proofing.
I have a game that eats 11 gb of vram on low at 1080p (I play it on windowed). It suffers from some Unreal engine shenanigans and it's also a few years old.
You're not wrong, but then there's games like this that need at least 6 gb (more on dx12) to run on low without it running out of memory and either crashing or not launching. This is an actual issue with this particular game.
Edit: Cyberpunk has gotten a lot better though and will run on things it has no business running on.
UE is probably the worst engine ever made, even games from 20 years ago look better than that blurry mess of an engine. I hope nobody makes any game on it anymore, most of them are also badly optimized, never understood why people like that engine.
Same reason people still use Unity after the whole shitfest on "per install tax": large community, huge knowledge base, tutorials everywhere, professional courses that focus on it.
Kinda ironic that the Unreal Tournament games (99, 2004, 3) were all incredibly optimized.
tl:dw some the testing shows 300-500% improvements in the 16GB model. Some games are completely unplayable on 8GB while delivering an excellent experience on the 16GB.
It really does seem like Nvidia is intentionally trying to confuse their own customers for some reason.
Its moreso for OEM system integrators, who can buy up thousands of these 5060ti's and sell them in systems as 5060Ti's, and the average Joe who buys prebuilts won't know to go looking at the bottom half of the tech sheet to see if its an 8 or 16.
As well as yes, direct scamming consumers, because Jensen needs more leather jackets off the AI craze and couldn't give a rats ass about gamers.
I agree that they don't give half a shit about their actual product, but their biggest competitor has never been more competitive, and Nvidia knows it. Pissing off your costumer base when you don't have a monopoly is fucking stupid, and Nvidia and the prebuilt manufacturers knows this. It's business 101.
There's gotta be something else. I know businesses aren't known for making long term plans, because all that will ever matter to them is short term profits. But this is just way too stupid to be because of that.
That something else is that they don't need the gamer market. Providing consumer cards is literally an inconvenience for them at this point, they make 2 billion a quarter from gaming cards but 18 billion on datacenter compute, with some insane 76% gross margins on those products they sell (to continue funding R&D).
Ngl gamers don't deserve respect.
To me it sounds like they are preying on the gamer who isn't tech savvy or are desperate. Just a continuation of being anti-consumer and anti-gamer.
Yup. This is basically aimed at the people who only know that integrated GPUs are bad and they need a dedicated card, so system manufacturers can create a pre built that technically checks that box for as little money as possible.
for money/extreme greed
Okay well that's the low-hanging fruit but explain to me the correlation? How does confusing their customers fuel their greed?
Uninformed buyers will buy the 8GB card get a poor experience and will be forced to buy a new card sooner than later.
So their strategy is making and selling shitty cards at high prices? Don't you think that would just make consumers consider a competing brand in the future?
For most consumers it might not, the amount of nvidia
propagandaadvertisement in games is huge.Yea I don't know why buying a shitty product should convince me to throw more money at the company. They don't have a monopoly, so I would just go to their competitor instead.
The reviews said that it was a better card than the other brand.
Just imagine how bad those must have been!
They don't know they've been ripped off.
It's like teens and IPhones, they don't care if they pickup a used 3 year old iPhone for more money than a new Android, they want the iPhone branding
it is 2019, the 2060ti has 8gb of vram. it is 2020, the 3060ti has 8gb of vram. it is 2023, the 4060ti has 8gb of vram. it is 2025, the 5060ti has 8gb of vram.
My 1080 from 2017 has 8gb of vram. Still works fine.
If you play games that weren't released after 2022, sure.
Regular GTX 1080 here. Running Space Marine 2 at 60 fps on 1080p on mid-ish settings. And that's basically the most graphics-intensive games I've played recently. Games like Total Warhammer 3, Dark Deity 2, Factorio or Heroes of the Storm don't care about the GPU and play great at 1080p.
Speaking of, what is the next best cost-efficient GOAT in the generations that followed the GTX 10 series? I'm gonna be needing a new GOAT at some point in the future - would love to hear recommendations.
I'm also interested in the answer to this; as a fellow 1080p gamer, a quick research had me hovering around an Intel A770, the only one offering 16gb at my target price of around €300, but I'm open to suggestions.
you can absolutely run newer titles with a 1080/1080ti. maybe not at 4k max settings, but a little bit of compromise should easily get at least 60fps in most titles.
I am pretty sure you can run Animal Well, at 4k max. It came out last year also.
I was assuming the commenter I replied to was talking about unoptimized AAA games that overly rely on on DLSS.
animal well looks cool tho I'll have to check it out! love the art style.
I don't buy AAA, that much anymore. Also, you can play roms, build, play arcade, gamble, list goes on for this game.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/394690/Tower_Unite/
My 3060 has 12gb of vram...
You probably have to return the 4gb extra then.
The whole fact that NVIDIA is not allowing AIBs to send the 8GB card to reviewers is quite telling. They are simply banking on illiterate purchasers, system integrators to sell this variant. That's another low for NVIDIA but hardly surprising anyone.
Planned obsolescence.
This is worse than planned obsolescence. This is basically manufactured ewaste.
They should use the 5060s for disposable vapes.
I agree, but it is still crazy that there are people out there making $500 plus purchases without the smallest bit of research. I really hope this card fails only for the reason that it deserves to.
why the fuck is a 50 series Ti card having only 8gb of vram
Maybe it has an Sd slot or something?
Because it's the low-end xx60? Also, apparently Nvidia did some high-tech magic that allows higher-res textures to be handled with less vRAM.
But, yeah, it's a 5060. You're not buying this to play in 4k Ultra.
This video clearly shows the NVIDIA magic is pooping in your own pants.
And the card even struggles at 1080p with 8GB...
I love to poop in my own pants
I mean that NVIDIA will poop your pants
Is it firm or liquid?
So it's performing worse than 3060 or 4060?
In some instances, it performs worse than 3060 12GB. It does not perform worse than 4060 as both perform terribly when 8GB isn't enough
Time to short Nvidia??
Ever since the 40 series, you need to downgrade every card by 1 tier to get the actual product. Nvidia marketing gimmick.
RTX 4060 - RTX 4050
RTX 4060 Ti - RTX 4050 Ti
RTX 4070 - RTX 4060
RTX 4070 Super - higher clock speed RTX 4060
RTX 4070 Ti - RTX 4060 TI
RTX 4070 Ti Super - RTX 4070
RTX 4080 - RTX 4070 TI
RTX 4080 Super - RTX 4080
RTX 40?? - RTX 4080 TI. There definitely should have been a GPU in this bracket judging by transistor counts. Would eat into the insane 4090 margin though so it wasn't meant to be.
RTX 4090 is of course appropriately named.
Can we get a gpu that just has some ddr5 slots in it?
You would need so many channels for that to be viable.
Speed.
Why not many little simple sockets in which pop as many memory chips as needed?
ddr5 was just a placeholder in the above statement, whatever works. TPTB are welcome to release a line of gpu-ram with appropriate connections.
On the flip-side, every game worth playing uses 2GB vram or less at 1080p.
That's an absolute lie and you know it.
I don't even have a GPU, but to be honest I don't even game anymore cuz I work more hours then there are in a day
Even 8GB is fine to be honest, even at high settings. People are a bit dramatic about it.
Depends on the use case. And even at 1080p there are quite a few games that use 8gb or close to it. Ghostrunner and LOTF (2023) come to mind. Although tbf, I played the first one on my RX580 8G (I think) almost maxed out and it did fine.
But if you're buying a card now, especially at new modern card prices, you want to have at least a bit of future proofing.
Video editing and AI require as much VRAM as you can get. Not everyone uses the cards just for gaming.
Then don't buy the current-gen low-end card for video editing, mate. Get previous-gen with more vRAM, or go AMD.
I have a game that eats 11 gb of vram on low at 1080p (I play it on windowed). It suffers from some Unreal engine shenanigans and it's also a few years old.
Just like normal ram, if you have more to use then it'll get used. It doesn't mean it requires more than 8gb in order to run well.
I played all of Cyberpunk on high settings with 8gb.
You're not wrong, but then there's games like this that need at least 6 gb (more on dx12) to run on low without it running out of memory and either crashing or not launching. This is an actual issue with this particular game.
Edit: Cyberpunk has gotten a lot better though and will run on things it has no business running on.
UE is probably the worst engine ever made, even games from 20 years ago look better than that blurry mess of an engine. I hope nobody makes any game on it anymore, most of them are also badly optimized, never understood why people like that engine.
Same reason people still use Unity after the whole shitfest on "per install tax": large community, huge knowledge base, tutorials everywhere, professional courses that focus on it.
Kinda ironic that the Unreal Tournament games (99, 2004, 3) were all incredibly optimized.