Testosterone vs. IQ
Pictured: Outlier (155 IQ, 1650 testosterone ng/dl) carries control (110 IQ, 800 testosterone ng/dl).
Submitted as comment to "What must his life be like?" in [email protected], and felt that it justified a whole meme to tie it together.
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Fun fact, the big guy carrying Malcolm McDowell is Dave Prowse, better known as Darth Vader.
Ohh. I thought it was Austin Powers and maybe both variables were self-reported.
I thought it was the guy from flight of the conchords
Thought so, too.
"That's why they're called business socks."
Oooh!
From A Clockwork Orange for those who don't know.
"Try the wine."
The face of James Earl Jones! Jk, that is a fun fact I'm stealing for next time I watch a clockwork orange
That blew me away as a kid, realizing that the guy voicing Vader wasn't the one in the costume, and was in fact the same actor who played Thulsa Doom.
I was going to make that comment :-(
I said hello to him once.
Could also be Styropyro.
The lad!
I can't find a study that produced that result. Also a reverse image search only finds hits on meme sites and social media. Pressing X für doubt.
My bet is that it's paywalled like a lot of academic studies. It's likely out there, but best of luck to you nailing it down, I've been having a Hell of a time turning up worthwhile results with search engines for quite a while.
Isn't the title of the study on the graph?
Yes, you might be surprised at how few meaningful results can be gleaned even when using exact titles in search queries. I'm not even talking about the ad results that appear at the top of the page now, even Google sometimes entirely fails to provide the desired results.
Haha I believe it. The internet was supposed to make sharing information easier. Womp
Trying to get shit done on the 'net with a 56K modem circa 1995 vs. trying to get shit done one the 'net but everything has been purposely turned into garbage that generates ad revenue even if you pay for it circa 2025.
A subset of the data seems to be readily available, if someone (with high or low T?) wants to swoop in and make us all a bit wiser:
https://dataverse.unc.edu/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi%3A10.15139%2FS3%2FZYRZ5J
It may be a figure that someone produced independently from the publicly available data sets: https://addhealth.cpc.unc.edu/data/#public-use
TIL there's a negative correlation
In a single group of US school children from 1994, that are now adults
In all other populations I have seen, higher IQ is positively correlated with testosterone
Group makes it seem like less than it actually is, but still fair.
who the fuck is the outlier then
The teacher from 1994
Unknown, but likely he's the human form of Larry the Lobster with a PhD hanging on his wall.
Either my testosterone is high or low but doesn’t the chart above say it covers 16k men and is from 2018?
(I know it also says a longitudinal study, but I wouldn’t consider the inception to be the year the study is from.)
THAT'S STYROPYRO!!!
All hail Styropyro
Dolph Lundgreen has an IQ of 160
He has a master's degree in chemical engineering and was awarded a Fulbright scholarship to MIT, where he dropped out to act.
Not just an action movie star, he's a smart cookie.
I see. That's why my brain's so big.
Low T and high IQ:
Image source: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20953327
The brains will help, but you still have my support all the same, for what it's worth.
Certified gigachad
Interesting data. I wonder what IQ test they used and mechanistically how testosterone would affect that (assuming that's a causal relationship in that direction)?
high iq is correlated with autism, autism is correlated with being trans, QED
i'm only like 89% joking
My friend group confirms this
Maybe the lower IQ students were more likely to go into physical labour jobs that boosted testosterone
Or high levels of heavy metal intake (zinc) boosted testosterone and dropped IQ
I assume higher testosterone level means you have less patience for bullshit quiz questions that probably have little to do with assessing intelligence.
The metaphor, as described in the caption, eludes me completely. Is it some sort of pun with the "carrying"? Why is the outlier carrying the control, and who benefits from it, how? Insider joke with just 1 insider?
No, not quite. No one benefits, and it's not an inside joke. The analogy is that the gigantic bodybuilding nerd from Clockwork Orange is the outlier, and that the control is Alex. That's it.
When I saw the original graph, I tried to think of any examples of mega-guidos that were also geniuses and remembered the scene from the movie with Dave Prowse in this role. It seemed to fit well, so I made the meme.
Ah, got it. You had to watch Clockwork Orange to get it. Thanks for explanation!
I see that they included Sergeant Alvin York in this data set.
Good Lord, you know that you're a powerhouse of human vigour when even Montenegro takes notice and goes to the effort of granting you a war medal despite your enlistment in a foreign nation's army.
Soycucks rise up